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littleeva

Zen 寫道:
我想"補習"大行其道還有一個原因：父母不想為了學業傷了親子關係

我有少少理解如下:

我有朋友由幼稚園請補習老師至現在. (小朋友已經是 P.6)

我當時沒有小孩子.覺得為何自己唔幫小朋友溫習. 要依賴他人呢 ? 而朋友說不想破壞與小朋友的親子關係. 當時的我真係唔認同朋友講法. 直至現在我有了仔仔. (K1) 也多留意了其他朋友講及 教養孩子的問題. 我開始有D 明白.

現今父母大多數都係出外工作, 有D 仲慘. 要很夜才回家.
回到家如果再要怒氣小朋友功課, 真係會傷了親子關係.
加上夜了回家. 經濟唔好. 老闆又不體諒在職父母. 而做老公的又想太太多些照顧孩子. 而孩子等了一整天入黑才見媽媽回家, 好想 好想與媽媽談天, 點知媽媽 不是左一句.下為何未做晒功課, 右一句下 點解明天默書, 現在都未熟..... 您話點會唔影響親子關係. 如果遇上比較頑劣的孩子. 真的怕媽媽忍不住會痛罵孩子.  到個老公辛苦回來後. 做太太的又在說孩子的不是.  ....... 於是就家嘈屋閉.  小朋友要夜訓, 夫婦感情又唔好....
以上例子聽得太多了.  反而有請補習的朋友. 她們的孩子最少有人睇住做功課. 如果要工人睇住做功課相信難上難. 怕的是工人幫手做埋一份.

我朋友補完習. 小朋友最少已經做完晒功課, 溫完書. 朋友回家時再溫一次. 已經很好了.  於是有多D時間和小朋友溝通. 佢覺得E D $ 值得用.


個人認為. 請唔請補習老師要視乎各家庭小朋友需要. 有D小朋友特別聽話喜歡做功課, 當然沒有此需要啦.

我以前都有做過補習老師. 記得有一學生(小5)  大部份不及格. 1 年後他科科及格雖然分數不高. 但我好開心好有成功感.   另一學生也是小5, 他很叻. 成績也不錯, 根本可以不用補習老師.  而且他媽媽是有幫她溫習. 因為我見到了很多蛛絲馬跡. 後來我唔再幫他補習了. (我覺得晒了我的時間)   

judy

我向小朋友下達命令：我回家之前要完成功課，晚上最好不要温習課內知識，默書測驗自理。

所以這麽多年來，親子關係很好。

Zen

judy 寫道:
我向小朋友下達命令：我回家之前要完成功課，晚上最好不要温習課內知識，默書測驗自理。

所以這麽多年來，親子關係很好。

judy,

那妳很幸運，有這麼聽教聽話的小朋友． :

Zen

littleeva,

對！的確有很多家庭有需要請補習老師，但我亦見過有全職媽咪，因為每天都為學業與孩子開戰，所以選擇由別人代勞，她則樂得輕鬆．各有所需啦

HuiTung

有一些家庭因父母經濟能力及知識所限, 要放工後帶子女去參加社區辦的補習班, 那兒全是義工, 放學後家長都充滿微笑地帶小朋友回家.  補習, 不是一件想像中那麼差的事.

Thinker

stccmc,

What I meant is the other way round, the twisted education system causing a lot of strange  phenomenon in Hong Kong.  What education meant?  What should be teached?  Teach more difficult words?  Able to read difficult books?  Study P2 level at P1?  

After all these years, quality of those university graduates is substanially decreased, this is the fact, what went wrong?  Have children learned to think and analyse?  or Have they just learned to criticise?  Have they learn to repect parents?  Have they learned to face problems and failures?  

At last, I don't mean 補習 is strictly a bad thing, we need to know the purpose.   補習 for the purpose of or kept to be a 精英?  Did 精英 need 補習? What 精英meant for you or for your child?

kinmom

我只是覺得現時讀書的小朋友充滿壓力，你們所講的功課輔導班 for 全職父母當然可以理解。但現在在市場所流行的除了這些功課輔導班外，還有專攻中英數的補習班，務求令他們成為精英班的一份子，我只是認為小朋友在這些充滿鬥爭的環境成長的小朋友不會開心，而且是否有必要。一個家長去做，其他的一窩蜂去跟，令到小朋友有 70 幾 80分平均分都在班中考尾幾，無晒自信心。又不見學生水準因而提高，因為小朋友是被迫去學習，自願去學習的我覺得甚少。

Sindy

我有兩個經驗,小學二三年班要背乘數表(唔記得幾年班)

大女:跟學校課程,要在三個月內背識一至九,終於搞到家嘈屋閉

細女:K1開始同佢背,每年只背一至兩個,到而家小一,已背完七,好輕鬆

一年先背兩行乘數表,佢覺得好輕鬆,我想問

Thinker

stccmc

We seems to have fundamental disagreement about what is the current situation.  I interviewed hundreds of graduates (local and overseas) in the past 10 years, what I mean "Quality" should include not only academic results, but also patience, confidence, communication skills, able to face problems and failures.  You may have your own interpretation of "quality", and it became pointless to argue any further whether orange is better than apple.

For tuition/tutorial versus 補習, there is a fundamental difference, we have tuition/tutorial class in addition to lectures at the university.  But I would consider tuition/tutorial is somehow different from 補習.  

At last, I think it is also pointless to argue whether 精英 need 補習or not.

In fact it is also pointless for me to say anymore to trigger off too much anger for parents who have their children get used to 補習.

ErnieMama

According to Philip Crosby, Quality means "conformance to requirements".  It's not something dreamily unrealistic and elite/ lavish/ luxury.  I'd have thought if, say, my boy can do basically what he's told to do in the school and progresses properly, he's a good quality kindergarten kid.  If not, he may need to work harder with more concentration.  Or may as well that he needs more guidance from teachers or tuition by parents.  After all he's still of quality.   

In short, I believe each child is a priceless gem to parents and whether needing tuition or not, it varies from case to case and individuals' needs, just like you eat when you're hungry; have a rest when you are tired. I see no point for an absolution defintion for (private) tuition.

judy

stccmc,

我不讚成補習的理由相對簡單：Assume教師能有效的授課，學生只要上課留心，加上適當的課後功課，默書、測驗，學生自能吸收知識。如有疑難，可自己試着解决，不然，問老師去，這樣更能有效學習。

Thinker那麽反對補習(好像甚至默書)的原因，是他只見side effect. 其實，默書、測驗、功課也可很正面。

judy

What education meant? What should be teached? Teach more difficult words? Able to read difficult books? Study P2 level at P1?

Thinker，

幾年前教署安排一批小六生考劍橋Flyer,成績慘不忍睹。於是，有教授提議應教浅一些，以免學生失去學習興趣。

但同時，也有一大批學生小四五而能輕鬆考好Flyer。

我想，學校應因應學生之程度，訂立校本課程。Study P2 level at P1有何不可。

ykwong

Thinker 寫道:
stccmc,

What I meant...

After all these years, quality of those university graduates is substanially decreased, this is the fact, what went wrong?  Have children learned to think and analyse?  or Have they just learned to criticise?  Have they learn to repect parents?  Have they learned to face problems and failures?  

This is contradictory, in our days, our school didn't teach us think, analyse and criticise. We were all taught under the injection mode of teaching.

I would say such problem you mentioned is realistic, but absolutely not relate to the past when compare with present mode of education. More is the social environment!

ykwong

Judy:

you must be a lucky mother or trained your son more effectively than others.

And I guess your son studies in a thro' train school, not high pressure upon the secondary school.

For me, my son studies in a new school, only one third of them will be assigned as band one. You may imagine the competition. I don't want to push him, but even he got more than 90 in average mark, he only be classified as middle stream.

I remember you mentioned about dictation: why use two more hours to obtain 100% in stead of 85%. But the fact is if you are 85% you may not earn the band one vacancies.

That not the only problem to one school, suppose in St. Francis, 85% of students will be classified as band one. So the case will be that if there are 100 students in that school, those ranked between 80 to 90 will suffer similar pressure as me.

Works of parents, for me, is to reach the safety line. Others may be more aggressive to obtain a more safety line.

In order to achieve the goal, tuition is necessary, it may be done by parent or private tuitor, depends on your time, money and abilities. To ask the teacher, of course it is a good method provided that he/she is allowed to do so. The teachers have to face to more than 30 students in a class, even they are willing, they may not have sufficient time.

Or the main point is that, why other kids understand but not yours. Simply understanding, the problem occurred in the child, the learning abilties; inattentive; deficiency in particular subject... whatsoever. It means the kid need more than the others. That why an extra tuitor is needed.

麟媽媽

我仔剛上小一，呢一、兩個月來，孩子跟我都經歷了一段不太愉快的時間，我的壓力大過返工….我亦曾想過搵補習，但現在漸入佳境，容我係呢度講一下。
小兒入讀港島區一間男校，我係暑假已開始訓練他的自理能力，我每日給他5頁暑期作業，任他自行選擇時間完成，唯一規限是要在我放工之前做好，完成得晒我會比D獎勵。到開學了，我還堅守呢個規定，有錯唔識唔緊要，我放工之後再改。
試過好多次佢玩得忘形無做晒，我每日放工得好少時間，再由我看他完成功課，真係會唔夠時間用的！有一次我真的好勞氣，最後回家堅持唔比做！他嚇得哭了，但我認為他要負起這個責任，第日由他無得交，老師寫他手冊！朋友都說由他唔交功課點得呀！？但我想只是小一學期初，我afford得起讓他衰一次，好令佢以後都唔會忘記喇！而家我安心得多，佢已開始習慣了，每日我回家時功課已做好，雖然他的功課一定有D錯亦不能做到十分自動自覺，我每日下晝都要打比佢提佢開始做功課，但對於一個剛滿六歲的孩子來說，我已十分安慰！
另外每星期的中默、英默、各科測驗亦是令我倆關係緊張的源頭！佢地默書默好多的，英默一次過默4 pages！第一次英默唔合格，老公同我都好勞氣！老公一味大聲鬧佢，個仔喊得好鬼慘….明明在家已默好，回校寫左頭寫唔切尾，標點附號錯晒，不知扣左幾多分。後來回想我都要負上責任，家中默書時我總是就住佢的速度，我又無讀標點附號，佢寫得慢我又由得佢….但到正式默書時邊個等你呀？！最終咪攪到唔合格…..之後呢幾次我早早同佢溫，又同佢用white board默，特登寫錯叫佢搵錯處，默親都一次過讀晒成句。我發現輕鬆之下溫佢好易記得晒，自從那次唔合格之後，呢幾次默書佢都95分，次次都錯一個careless mistake，無緊要喇！
但我已謝絕我教仔時我老公既參與，因佢比到好大壓力個仔，個仔明明係識佢一行埋黎，個仔驚到咩都唔記得晒！所以我想同大家講，同佢地惡係幫唔到佢架，只會令小朋友好怕，怕便讀唔入腦了。我想非必要時我都唔會想搵補習的，補習在我來說會令個仔好依賴，我反而想個仔自理能力高一點，小學一直要補習，一直補上去，補到大學嗎？讀書總要靠自己，將來大個仔出來工作亦是要靠自己實力嘛！我希望仔仔跟我都可以堅持到，唔希望有日話比大家知佢要補習喇！

ykwong

After reading 麟媽媽's passage, you may find that some parents are not suitable for tuiting their own kids. That's why we need the private tuitor.

Some may easily be angry when teaching their own kid while most of the time they are nice person. But the private tutor won't (shouldn't) shout at the kids which make learning more effective.