嘉諾撒聖家書院交流區

lenimama

Last year, 入大學率 of this school was 57% and this year 55%. Depends who you want to compare your girl with. The band 3 and band 2 schools? and then say 如果全級有55%已算不錯！It's understandable if you think you are "lucky" that you did not get into Band 3 and Band 2 schools. If you want to compare with ALL Hong Kong, then WOW 55% is so good!! And the school thinks so also. It compares with ALL Hong Kong. It does not compare itself with 名校.

If you think "this is a 名校" and compare with other Band 1 schools, then you should ask a different kind of question: how will this school stay as a 名校? or even improve? We parents do not need to argue, we just have different points of view. I am writing this to share information for P6 parents who really expect a real 名校 which has high standards, and competes with top instead of competes with Band 2 and Band 3. Because after you are in here, it is not convenient to change. It is better to know more before you enter. As the parents here said, this school does not willingly share information. Parents should share more with each other. And you can decide for yourself how to interpret it.

"你睇錯了 係18%老師係四年或以下年資 即係大約十個左右 這個數字同其他學校差不多 甚至係低過 例如同區的旅港和協恩 係29% 至於你話有學校1% 應該不太可能 官津學校通常只有六十多個老師 如何計出1%咁少呢"--> you are right, i made a mistake - it is 18% for 0-4 years, and 17% for 5-9 years (35% changed during 0-9 years - the time period under this Principal). Sorry!

When teachers leave (or are fired) or quit in groups, when the teachers of your kids are often new, inexperienced teachers.....should parents be concerned or not? It's up to you. I simply advise parents to get more information to understand this school. In my observation, you can get a hint of management style and school atmosphere, from the teacher turnover rate. Of course there are other factors like people retiring or moving to other countries. But it is worth finding out more about, because HOW GOOD THE TEACHING IS, means HOW GOOD THE SCHOOL IS.

Here is the 1% school in Shatin, which has 80-90% 入大學率 (if I am not mistaken) - http://applications.chsc.hk/ssp2 ... d=1&sch_id=296. The school has 62 teaching staff.

The whole Hong Kong has 18% 入大學率 according to the last year results.

lenimama

I believe there are some very smart parents in this group - good at online research about different schools. I have a question, because one important moment in secondary school is 選科 at the end of S3, for their studies in the next three years.

Do you know the system and choices for 選科 in other secondary schools?

Do you know the system in 聖家?

10090

lenimama 發表於 15-5-3 18:22
Last year, 入大學率 of this school was 57% and this year 55%. Depends who you want to compare your g ...

我諗有做功課的家長都會知道 聖家不會是一綫的超級名校 如果出左九龍城區 無咩人會識 但佢總算區內校風同成績良好的英中 家長可以放心的學校 如果你需要名牌 應該選maryknoll

你誤會左 中學概覽的教師年資係計算教師在各學校教學的總年資 並不是在聖家教的年資 所以你睇下啲開左幾年的新校 都好多老師過十年年資的 如果每次請新老師都請有豐富經驗的老師 就可以做成年資高的現象

不過我會留意老師有無愛心有無料教 多過年資

如果你要知老師有無成日轉 你要留意教師離職率 聖家並無提供此資料 但你可以留意每年的教師名單 相信離職率也不高

聖家有25班 計算年資比率不可以與沙田band 1a的30班學校比較

10090

lenimama 發表於 15-5-3 18:28
I believe there are some very smart parents in this group - good at online research about different  ...

有文理商十多科可以選擇 冷門科目如視藝和英國文學都有 多數學生讀三科選修科

dailam

妳說：it does not compare itself with 名校。   
我相問：為甚麼它要compare itself with 名校？
區內家長都知聖家並非band 1a 學校，可能是1b 或1c 吧。妳若要將它和「名校」比，當然是無得比！Band 1a的可能七十幾%以上，就是因此他們是band1a!
聖家從沒說自己是名校，又不是1a, 有55%有甚麼問題？
家長在選校時，當然是基於搜集回來的資料來作考慮。所以我覺得如果學校有隱瞞，玩弄數字遊戲，把associate degree, sub degree 等也混在一起計，就是校方不對。但聖家沒有，它把數字清楚列出，選不選，是家長的決定。
反而我最看不起的是那些用不同charts 把數據混淆，令家長覺得它的學生入u 率高的，才是最可恥！
數字是死的，但有些家長見到55%,可能像我一樣覺得以1b or 1c學校來說，已不錯。但當然亦有家長覺得是普通。鹹魚青菜，各有所好。加上升中的情況，是你揀人，人亦揀你。重點是學校有沒有以不實的數據來騙你選它！

10090

dailam 發表於 15-5-3 22:05
妳說：it does not compare itself with 名校。   
我相問：為甚麼它要compare itself with 名校？
區內家 ...

最緊要適合自己啦 有人喜歡直資夠多活動多新意 有人喜歡名校成績出眾運動又叻 我就喜歡成績中上純樸的津校
地產霸權在香港好有錢 但同美國大公司比較係不同世界 先了解自己囡囡興趣能力最重要

lenimama

10090: thank you for your correction. 我會留意老師有無愛心有無料教--> very good, me too. The external numbers are just indications, but the "true picture" comes from meeting teachers, talking to students, talking to parents. I have done all these to a large extent. In fact, the reason why I even checked the online information is because FIRST I heard of many teacher changes.

Going to a school like maryknoll is not my first priority. I just mean that no matter what school, no matter what band, the school should strive for improvement and compete upwards instead of tell parents 放心 because it is not as bad as others.

I feel bad that there is a parent here who 看不起 me. I think my future posts will not be welcome so this will be my last post here.

In this school, even parents inside the school do not have a lot of information. So parent sharing is super-valuable (for those who care to know more).

Anyway, if there are any parents who want to know about:
1) the school English teaching practices and standard
2) Chinese curriculum
3) discipline in the school
4) cooperation and communication with PTA and parents generally
5) level of activities (competitions, music, sports, etc.)
6) 選科 process, issues

then you can PM me. I am willing to share with parents even if you do not share my viewpoints. But not here.

My last bit of sharing here - for 10090. See the 2 2015 links here, if you want more exact information on  選科

http://www.hfcc.edu.hk/schnet/nss/

cheers

dailam

請妳不要誤會！我絕對沒有看不起妳！(if the parent you mention in your last post refers to me!)
我重看我所寫的，可能是我寫得太急，沒寫complete sentence, 令妳誤會！
我的意思是指那些利用不同的charts 混淆家長視聽的「學校」！！

我明白家長擔心子女入了一些不是自己心中expect 的學校，但仍是一句：讀書是夠自己，學校只是輔助！

如果我之前的語氣過激，我願為此道歉，希望妳不要介懷！

lenimama

dailam: never mind -

可能我都係睇得太快，now I understand your meaning. Thanks for your kind response :)

wanmui

請問明天夏令開始，幾點放學？

10090

wanmui 發表於 15-5-26 17:00
請問明天夏令開始，幾點放學？

1:20

wanmui

回覆 10090 的帖子

thanks a lot

Freemanlkw

每一間學校都有其長處及短處.都有其價值.包括Band 1,2,3 學校.
重點是為子女找到合適的中學,使她們有最佳發展.
如果聖家是一所不能讓其子女有最好發展機會的學校,那家長便應集中精力為其子女找一間最好的中學,讓其發展.
相信聖家也會找到願意入讀此中學的學生.

wanmui

回覆 Freemanlkw 的帖子

其實聖家不錯，希望大家也可以愉快在這麼渡過六年中學生涯

ngkka

我是聖家中學的畢業生。
Lenimama的言論很值得我們反思
1.品德教育

平心而論，聖家給予我歡愉和0壓力的中學生活，以及難能可貴的品德培育-----樸實、堅毅個性
工作時，面對某些名校女生「唔捱得」，遇到挫折便嚷著要轉工；或明明是他當值，卻因去了「秘勞」而缺勤；做事計較，處事待己寬、責人嚴.......我只能嘆氣......
以上不是少數
當然我也不能以片蓋全


2.學術成就

雖然學校賦予我們和善的品性，但試總是要考的，現實些講，你將來的工作係取決於你的成績，所以成績唔夠競爭，也要自省
聖家的學生太和善，欠了那份aggressiveness
聖家學生的家庭（我那個年代）的語言環境，普遍欠缺英語語境，以至英文底子略遜

我不相信入u率強差人意，是學生iq問題；那是train不其所

學校只要有缺心，要改變這個局面也不困難。其實lenimama咁有心，可參加PTA，俾俾意見

有時愛之深、責之切

Freemanlkw

同意ngkka的觀點.學校需要自強不息,提升教學水平,使學生成績得到增值.
補充一些觀點,教與學是相輔相成.(只是表達意見,不是爭論對錯)
1. 學生入學時的學術水平;
2. 學習過程中,學生的努力和學習態度,也會對教學成果產生重大影響.
衡量一所學校的教學成果時,增值部份(終值-初值)應受到重視,只看成果(終值)可能會被誤導.
聖家要提升成績可以用一個簡單策略:中學與小學脫龍,只收BAND1生不再收BAND2;中學期間不斷汰弱留強,收外校好學生,淘汰本校成績差學生.相信可以在數年間提升成績,繼後時間成績優異的小六學生便會湧進.聖家有能力達成.
翻查學校歷史,不信學校追求這些,也不是當初辨學精神.
學校選擇走一條艱難的道路,也不願放棄較差的學生,只求成績和榮譽.

還是強調學生個人需要找適合自已發展的學校.頂級學校也不能保証學生能自動取得好成績.

TwinWong

Freemanlkw 發表於 15-6-13 11:47
同意ngkka的觀點.學校需要自強不息,提升教學水平,使學生成績得到增值.
補充一些觀點,教與學是相輔相成.(只 ...

係, 大囡當年是以BAND 2 生, 她不是成績差, 只因為她當年強人太多, 数學分稍遜, 升中學生活開心愉快無壓力, 樸儉, 中三她自覺要努力, 因為選科, 努力下从班中游爬升到上游,
順利選到心儀科目, 到DSE時成績雖然不是最超卓的一群,  但都係高于大學門檻, 為ORAL及組織能力強。

子女選學校不是媽媽話佢好就一定係好, 要選合切子女能力, 只要是有她喜歡的科目, 她就會有目标, 讀得好好。

細女現時中一, 比當年姐姐的功課同讀書壓力雙对大了很多, 都希望她持之以恆
努力學習, 順利選心儀科目。

YmOra

各位聖家家長好呀!
我不是貴校的家長,但也有留意聖家一段時間,如有錯誤了解的地方,煩請指教指教.thx.thx.

我覺得兩間直屬小學的最top之Band1a學生,大多數都會選擇出面的Band1a中學,由於直屬關係,聖家便要收下較多的Band2生了,也就是其中一個催化劑,令那批家長更因為此原因而向外求,好自然的現像,即人才流失,當然,我都好欣賞聖家之教育理念,讓不同差異的學生也可入讀,結果會是教得吃力一點,但是都不緊要,我相信學校一早就明白這一點,再且,聖家之入U%不是很差呀!以一間平均入讀水平不過不失的中學嚟講,學校的努力絕對是功不可沒,聖家絕對是一間好學校.

ngkka

同意汰弱留強是最快見效的辦法，但這絶對不是嘉諾撒會辦學「United in love的初衷。
我相信是聖家用了填鴨的方式，對記憶力不強的同學並未有效。如老師能發掘每位同學的長處和興趣，加以培育，必能事半功倍

10090

ngkka 發表於 15-6-14 19:44
同意汰弱留強是最快見效的辦法，但這絶對不是嘉諾撒會辦學「United in love的初衷。
我相信是聖家用了填鴨 ...

而家應該改善左喇，我囡囡有好多不同類型的project要做，學校活動的選擇亦多
上堂氣氛係好嘅，囡囡最鍾意上英文同IS堂，因為老師教得好有趣

當要應付有標準答案的公開考試而一班又有三十人的時侯，填鴨式就好難避免