真道中、小家長聚談

KenBaBa

Dear RogerC，我唔再講我自己

KenBaBa

不過大家唔好咁勞氣住，有咩

deniset

Dear KenBaBa,
Yes, agree.  Thanks.

Rogerc,
I heard your voice, and of course, I feel sorry to hear that 45 minutes of extension has caused you so much dissatisfaction. But it seems like the extension hour is only a trigger point since I noticed that you have been in such a deep dissatisfaction for a prolonged period of time. Before you loose your temper again, try to cool down for a few more days.
Nevertheless, I do agree with you that the school should have consulted with parents before they decided to impose this new idea. As for me, my concern lies aligned with the majority. Time management is becoming more difficult. The curriculum is more demanding, yet time is insufficient.
I do not see any advantage so far though it is only the first week of school. Indeed, our principal has to be extremely convincing when he meets us next week.  
Last, I would like to clarify that being a member of the parents' choir has no privileged whatsoever over those who are not in expressing views to our principal. But one thing for sure, if you are to file a complaint, you have to do it yourself. Don't count on others. Last school year, I made a complaint about the lesson arrangement. I wrote a letter, called the homeroom teacher, talked to the course teacher, discussed with other parents, exchanged ideas, etc. until some remedial actions were implemented. At the end, we were quite happy with the follow-up actions.
deniset


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KenBaBa 寫道:
不過大家唔好咁勞氣住，有咩

deniset

rogerc,
For English in DS1, we're lucky to have 2 NETs
deniset

rogerc

Of coz...we have sent our complaint in written and addressed to the Principal. I have no intention to use parent choir as a channel to reach the chief commander of Logos.  My wife always gives feedback and idea to the home teacher during last school term and they responded quite well.

I need to reiterate the change here is with great impact to everyone. And I see more and more parent see the issues..we ( me and my wife ) may set a very high expectation and betted for the school could bring some fresh air to our HK education system..then we felt very disappointed.  We want to share the feeling here because we care the kid, we care someone who has similar situation like us.   

Someone told me a year ago, the Principal is a very good sales person, I doubted.  Unfortunetly it is the fact.  A sales person will persuade you to close the deal and leave the after-sales services to others.  

Education is a life time commitment, a good educator, I believe, is from words of mouth not from CNN, not from Newspaper.

Sorry for discouraging someone who reading this forum but it is all fact.

deniset

Here, I stand a different point of view.
I see nothing wrong that our principal being a sales person, if you want to call it that way. Hv you attended the inauguration ceremony last year? For one session, we had Principal Zhu Jing Wu of the University of Science & Technology as the guest speaker. He is a true Super-Salesman, to me. But I see nothing wrong with that. Most principals are “salesmen” as well as educators. They are capable of attracting different audiences, raising funds, and are borne with excellent social skills in bridging between internal and external affairs. It's also a fact that the no. of “Sister Schools” that go hand-in-hand with Logos is increasing every year. For this reason, our kids have a chance to participate in different summer camps. For this reason, the quality of our Putonghua/Chinese teachers has been much upgraded beyond expectation. No doubts, all these credits go to our principal. To me, occasional publicity causes no harm but generates healthy feedbacks. I'm really sorry that your perception is so different. Thanks for giving me a chance to share my thoughts.

rogerc

Please do not quote most of the principal is a sales person. It is not a fair statement.  The primary roles of a principal is to administer the school and follow what he planned. And oversee the progress and give direction along the way.  This is similar as running your own business.  To achieveit , he needs a strong team to work for them, empowers them and trusts them.  In this part, I do feel it is not. Taking this example, when my wife asked for details of the extended hours, Admin. staff said know nothing, the teaching staff said all the details has to come from the principal and they are in fact waiting for its direction.   

To become a good sales person is just not good enough run a school.  

At the beginning of last school term, my wife attended the parent meeting. A sudden news that made my wife shock.The principal claimed Logos may acquire another two new schools, one in Stanley and one in Sai Kung..student may be required to move to the new school when they are in DS2-3.  He also proudly said this was good to the student.  When someone asked the transportation issue, what he said was gathering all the students in TKO and hiring tourist bus to drive them to new school...then what is the progess now??  This demonstrates his mouth is faster then his brain. Do something without going through detail planning.

A good sales person can generate more sales but at the same time to keep your customer satisfied. The after sales services is playing an essential part especially THIS IS EDUCATION. The future of your own kid.  Partnering with lots of PRC school is not a credit, frankly, they are more than welcome.  

Me and my wife may be a minority who has very different view from others, but it is a open forum and you should prepare to listen different voices.

Among this forum, I do not see lots of serious complaint like this in other topics.  This means the problem is really existed, and it is quite fundemental.  We posted all these comments with only one purpose, I am not intended to arguing with you. The thing is I want parent group to know the situation and form a massive voice to rationalize the approach of Mr. Yau. The way he manages the school.  That way should benefit more of us.  I want to apologize if I make anyone here nervous about the future of the school. But the problem ahead us must be dealing with it ASAP.

軒Mother

正如Kenbaba話, 大家唔好咁勞氣, 有唔滿意留番下星期
o既家長會上向校長查詢, 希望到時rogerc可以幫忙向校方提出查問
forum係比人發表意見, 大家無需太介懷, 世上無o野係完美  , 除o左 主耶穌基督

qq_dad

agree, agree.  

軒Mother 寫道:
正如Kenbaba話, 大家唔好咁勞氣, 有唔滿意留番下星期
o既家長會上向校長查詢, 希望到時rogerc可以幫忙向校方提出查問
forum係比人發表意見, 大家無需太介懷, 世上無o野係完美  , 除o左 主耶穌基督

KenBaBa

Dear RogerC,

I do respect your opinion and appreciate very much for bringing the problem here for discussion and brainstorming.  In fact, not only me, Deniset, 軒Mother and qq_dad but most of the parents are sure that it is alright to exercise our rights to voice out any grievances encountered and in this way, to help the school management to improve the running of the school.

I am also moved by witnessing most of the Logos parents are well-educated and willing to give valid views, and that is why there are so many parents take the initiative to fight for the school's reputation and defend for the school under the relevant topics in the BK forum.  

By taking a deeper look into Deniset's passages, I believe that you would also share that she did stand on your side but not blindly say words for the school.  Indeed, our identities are the same that we all are parents of kids.

We, being the parents, are encouraged to co-operate with the school, to trust it and to support it as far as possible.  On the other hand, the school does have many rooms to improve.  The Principal, teachers and the administration should also take all these lessons and to strive for betterments.

It is natural and no harm that some parents are a bit vigorous while some others are a bit soft.  It is anyway most important that we should join together, parents with the school, to build up the school and to casue it achieve advancements, as long as our kids are still studying in the school.

Nevertheless, I do feel that it is not necessary to pinpoint the Principal and to 拘泥於其稱謂。  Anyway, I trust that RogerC just 愛之深、責之切 and you are now facing 近憂 and have 遠慮.  正所謂針唔拮到肉唔知痛，but you would also aware that 我們不會自掃門前雪的。Just let's talk to the management next week and see (A) how many parents would like the school to stop extending the schooling hours and (B) how will the management react to the request of the majority.

Glad to share with you.   

cow

I support rogerc especially you said "Too academic approach". Logos is walking towards a different way that I expected.

真道一向透明度不足，但校長又很喜歡在家長合唱團放風。

cow

kitty wrote,
想問吓你地小朋友之前讀邊間幼稚園, 會唔會校長較為喜歡收活動教學的幼稚園(e.g.啟思,臻美秀華), 定係讀傳統幼稚園(e.g.根德園, ST. CATHERINES)的小朋友

As I noticed only in the first year Logos prefered 活動教學的幼稚園such as啟思. Logos now likes the students from the types of kindergartens such as 根德園 and St Catherines'.

zoemaywang

are they go家長會?

rogerc

Yes..I will bring it up during the parent's meeting..It may be me or my wife. School said one seat for each family only.

We will raise the questions and hope parent algin with us:-
1. what is the rationale to extend the school hour, seems there is no plan before its implementation. We show the notice before summer holiday. But the actual plan is not ready after 1.5 month.

2. while considering the extending hour, school also has to consider the physical affordability of student. 8 hours school plus 2 hours on the road is too much for the kid ( in average ). Student at higher grade may be a good idea as they need to work on their academic result and ready for university.

3. I will suggest to consult with all parents by survey via school notice. From which school can know more the willingness from parent.  

At the end, we think academic result and physical healthiness should strive the balance.

deniset

rogerc,
Your opinion is well respected. We need to hear different voices. Having different views mean that we all care. I respect all your thoughts and comments. Let's join together with the rest of the parents and strive for a better Logos.   
deniset

deniset

rogerc,
Thanks for your great efforts! Looks super!!
I got to run now....will brainstorm a bit more before having additional input.
I will be there too.
deniset

rogerc 寫道:
Yes..I will bring it up during the parent's meeting..It may be me or my wife. School said one seat for each family only.

We will raise the questions and hope parent algin with us:-
1. what is the rationale to extend the school hour, seems there is no plan before its implementation. We show the notice before summer holiday. But the actual plan is not ready after 1.5 month.

2. while considering the extending hour, school also has to consider the physical affordability of student. 8 hours school plus 2 hours on the road is too much for the kid ( in average ). Student at higher grade may be a good idea as they need to work on their academic result and ready for university.

3. I will suggest to consult with all parents by survey via school notice. From which school can know more the willingness from parent.  

At the end, we think academic result and physical healthiness should strive the balance.

whatwhat

我本人非常贊成延遲放學時間，希望小朋友能多享校園生活。須知道如此做學校其實要多花資源、而老師要多花時間和心力方可達致，家長即使持不同意見，亦請心平氣和討論，並體諒校方的良好動機為要。

WCM

agree, agree.

引文
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whatwhat 寫道:
我本人非常贊成延遲放學時間，希望小朋友能多享校園生活。須知道如此做學校其實要多花資源、而老師要多花時間和心力方可達致，家長即使持不同意見，亦請心平氣和討論，並體諒校方的良好動機為要.
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dcca

Dear all,
其實每樣事性總有正反兩面，就遲放學方面，本人有兩個小朋友就讀真道，大囡讀DS-1，細囝讀FS-1，可能大囡經過兩年小學全日制的生活，所以加長了課時對她來說，其實影響並不大，反而多了電腦堂之類的課程，她是蠻開心的。至於細囝方面呢，說實在他在開學這星期都真的十分倦，可能還未适應小學全日制的時間，但他還是十分喜歡上學，所以我也作出配合跟他商議後決定放棄原來學開的公文式，其實在開學之初，因為經過個多月的悠長假期，無論是新生或舊生也需要适應，大家應對我們的孩子有信心，孩子們的适應能力很強，只要多一點時間，孩子們是會适應下來的，有時太多的保護，對於孩子並非好事，讓我們跟孩子一起成長吧!
祝我們的孩子都有開心的校園生活!

qq_dad

Dear deniset or any Logos parents,

For the HK Schools Speech Festival, the teacher told my daughter that only individual competition will be arranged, no group.

Anyone who may share their expeience?  Will the poem be arranged by Logos or we, parents have to pick one by ourselves?