小朋友愈來愈暴力

simonwan

S-Kwok 發表於 16-7-12 16:55
我最近先知原來罰企都係體罰

這就是政府及法例荒謬之處，罰企是體罰，但系做功課最到12 點卻無問題。

eviepa

simonwan 發表於 16-7-12 16:40
回覆 eviepa 的帖子

//1. 完全沒有反叛期。

//size=15.199999809265137px]//[size=15.199999809265137px]1. 完全沒有反叛期。
[size=15.199999809265137px]2. 從來未試過鬧交。
[size=15.199999809265137px]3. 所有分歧都可以在理性討論中得到解決。
[size=15.199999809265137px]4. 很服從我的教導，對我的服從，是基於尊重而不是畏懼。//

[size=15.199999809265137px][size=15.199999809265137px]以上不一定是好事。//

simonwan,
  

我一向都覺得以上的是非常好的結果，為何你有保留？願聞其詳。

shadeslayer

原帖由 eviepa 於 16-07-12 發表
//size=15.199999809265137px]//1. 完全沒有反叛期。
2. 從來未試過鬧交。
3. 所有分歧都可以在理性討論中 ...

of course they are good things.

shadeslayer

原帖由 simonwan 於 16-07-12 發表
情理法。合法，不一定合情合理。

父母怎樣教仔，政府要管；學校怎樣教書，政府要管；游樂場可不可以跑， ...

時代巨輪不斷向前, 教育只會更好, 社會只會進步, 相信體罸是一種正常教仔手段的人只會愈來愈少。

eviepa

古代有腐刑有凌遲，時代進步，淘汰了。

shadeslayer

原帖由 simonwan 於 16-07-12 發表
情理法。合法，不一定合情合理。

父母怎樣教仔，政府要管；學校怎樣教書，政府要管；游樂場可不可以跑， ...

游樂场不準跑係游樂場管理方的規則, 不是法例。不要混淆。

取自 Wikipedia:

Corporal punishment in the home

Corporal punishment in the home (also calledphysical punishment) refers to an act by aparent or other legal guardian causing deliberate physical pain or discomfort to aminor child in response to some undesired behavior by the child. Corporal punishment of children typically takes the form of spankingor slapping the child with an open hand or striking with an implement such as a belt, slipper, cane, hairbrush or paddle, and can also include shaking, pinching, forced ingestion of substances, or forcing children to stay in uncomfortable positions.

Social acceptance of corporal punishment is high in countries where it remains lawful, particularly among more traditional groups. In many cultures, parents have historically been regarded as having the right, if not the duty, to physically punish misbehaving children in order to teach appropriate conduct. Researchers, on the other hand, point out that corporal punishment typically has the opposite effect, leading to more aggressivebehavior in children and less long-termobedience. Other adverse effects, such asdepression, anxiety, anti-social behavior, and increased risk of physical abuse, have also been linked to the use of corporal punishment by parents. Evidence shows that spanking and other physical punishments, while nominally for the purpose of discipline, are inconsistently applied, often being used when parents are angry or under stress. Severe forms of corporal punishment, including kicking, biting, scalding, and burning, can also constitute unlawful child abuse.

International human-rights and treaty bodies such as the Committee on the Rights of the Child, the Council of Europe, and the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights have advocated an end to all forms of corporal punishment, arguing that it violates children's dignity and right to physical integrity. Many existing laws against battery, assault, and/or child abuse make exceptions for "reasonable" physical punishment by parents, a defence rooted in common law and specificallyEnglish law. During the late 20th and into the 21st century, some countries began removing legal defences for adult guardians' use of corporal punishment, followed by outright bans on the practice. Most of these bans are part of civil law and therefore do not imposecriminal penalties unless a charge of assault and/or battery is justified. Since Sweden's 1979 ban on all corporal punishment of children, an increasing number of countries have enacted similar bans, particularly following international adoption of theConvention on the Rights of the Child. However, domestic corporal punishment of children remains legal in most of the world.

shadeslayer

原帖由 simonwan 於 16-07-12 發表
這就是政府及法例荒謬之處，罰企是體罰，但系做功課最到12 點卻無問題。
...

政府法例要小孩做到12點?

simonwan

eviepa 發表於 16-7-12 18:41
//size=15.199999809265137px]//1. 完全沒有反叛期。
2. 從來未試過鬧交。
3. 所有分歧都可以在理性討論中 ...

試解釋爲何不一定好（不要誤會，不是一定不好，衹是不一定好）：
1. 完全沒有反叛期。
之前你說心理學，這裏試以發展心理學解釋。發展心理學認爲，反叛期是每個人成長必經階段，表示著獨立自主的開始。若一個人沒有經歷過反叛期，有幾個可能：1. 在外面有做不好的事，衹是在家表現得像乖乖仔。2. 沒有經歷反叛期，心理上仍依賴父母，不能獨立自主，成爲裙腳仔。3. 父母引導及處理得好，反叛期時能健康快樂成長。 從你的貼文看，相信你女兒的情況是第三種。但也不能抹殺有很多第一二種情況。

2. 從來未試過鬧交。
人有七情六欲，曾經與人鬧交很正常，如果生命中未試過與人鬧交，會不會缺少些經歷呢？再者，若未被人鬧過，以後出來打工會不會一給上司或客戶鬧的時候就受不了，小則嚎啕大哭，中則辭職不幹，大則跳樓自殺？成爲臺灣人所說的草莓族？

3. 所有分歧都可以在理性討論中得到解決。
是好事，但也不一定是好事。我從小到大是理科人，以前覺得事情越辯越明，有道理的話就系自己必對。出來做事以後，大家可以想象，必定碰釘處處，死無全尸。原來，現實世界絕大部分的事情不能以理性討論中得到解決，以感性方法辦事遠爲有效。

4. 很服從我的教導，對我的服從，是基於尊重而不是畏懼。//

不認識你，無從判斷你的情況。但很多父母都這樣認爲，直至一天與孩子發生嚴重衝突。有些父母很有自信，孩子從小父母就用權威的口吻跟他們説話，孩子漸漸長大，明知反駁無用，也懶得跟父母辯論。而這些父母，都認爲孩子是尊重他而不是畏懼他。


以上所說，不是指你的情況，因爲我不認識你。衹是說一般情況下，發生以上情形不一定是好事（再重伸，衹是“不一定”，不是“一定不”）。

eviepa

你的想像力真豐富

MrBeast

Extracted from 隔離版：

林於訪問中分享於面試時遇過不懂管教小孩的怪獸家長，「其中一個媽媽帶囝囝嚟面試，因為媽媽大肚兼攞住一袋二袋，所以行得慢，但囝囝竟然回頭鬧媽媽，話你再行咁慢我就會咬妹妹，睇得出好冇禮貌，家長亦唔識教」。