"Biomedical Treatment - Parents' Group "

kawai

Hi Pamam,

Welcome to our column.  Dr. Trodd charges $800-1,000 for consultation fee excluding supplement and lab tests.
  
Charges for first-time visit are estimated as below:

Consultation fee - HK$800-$1500
Hair toxin test - $1,500
Urine toxin challenge test- HK$1,700
Supplement - $1,500-$2,000 for the first time visit. It would be paid less for the follow-up consultation.  

You need to visit him again after 2 weeks when the lab tests result are ready.  He will then give you an explanation on chelation therapy if needed.  Follow-up appointment should be made in every 1-2 months.

Send me a pm if you would like to talk over the phone before the appointment with Dr. Trodd.   
      

wewangwang

Hi Pamam,

Just curious, how come your son's ex-teacher knew  Dr. Trodd and biomedical treatment. In what way did she think  it would help your son.

Biomedical treatment is another thing to empty our bank accounts.     

kawai

jj06mum,

After searching for some info about the treatment of Dr. Lee.  He seems to be the only Interactive Metronome provider in Hong Kong.  According to the web site information, the IM training is for 6 years old up, so that it would not be suitable to children who are under 6.  I'll get more information about Dr. Lee's treatment plan and will explain to you all here in the related column.

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jj06mum 寫道:

could u also share ur exp with the crano doc Dr Lee after ur visit?

Justin2002

kawai,

Please do ask Dr. Lee if IM is really not suitable for kids under 6 as you know, my son is only 4.  I am not sure if I just call up and ask, they will give me an accurate answer.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Justin2002

MerMee

今早帶阿仔去dr td 度抽了15cc blood 做以下的tests:

CBC
RBC
Ferritin Serum
Liver Function Tests

點解你地有d小朋友要抽成30cc ge??

我仔struggle 度嚇親dr & nurse. 我想像下次會連查 cream 個step 都好難攪了.


另外他給我nystatin, b12 我要求了concentrated 的, 他說打落去唔會快得幾多, 而且會痛d.

請問有打b12 針的媽媽, 係唔係如果打完針d weewee 有 pink color 就一定是代表打得太入了, 身體吸收得唔多? 我每晚大概9點打, 到第二朝起身去wee wee都一定有pink color 的.  dr td 說沒有問題, 出到來我再問nurse, 佢就好唔sure 咁話冇理由ga bor...咁即係點呀.   

pamam

Dear Kawai,

thanks for your detailed information, I am right now doing some reading/research about this treatment, will definitely give you a call when I am more informed. Thanks again. Any websites or books do you recommend me to read as beginner in this area?

Pamam

pamam

Hi wewangwang,

My son's ex-teacher has been to Dr. Trodd's workshop before and she is very impressed by his work and research.

She was my son's class teacher last year and she is very experienced in teaching kids with learning difficulties. I ran into her recently and we talked about the progress of my son. She thinks my son is ok academically but his social skills are really behind, all those social skills courses and other therapies/activities seemed not working for him. She told me she saw some students have made great progress and improvement in many areas after biomedical treatment, so she recommended my son to try it out. She did warn me it may take years to see result but she strongly believes it will help my son's development.

How long has your son been doing this, do you see any improvement in any area?

Pamam

wewangwang 寫道:
Hi Pamam,

Just curious, how come your son's ex-teacher knew  Dr. Trodd and biomedical treatment. In what way did she think  it would help your son.

Biomedical treatment is another thing to empty our bank accounts.     

kawai

Hi Pamam,

Click to see the following link to learn more about bio-treatment.

Biomedical and Chelation

"Children With Starving Brains" by Dr. Jacqueline McCandless is worth reading and highly recommended by parents and DAN doctors.  This book should be available at Little Giant or you may ask if any parents can lend you this title through this column.  

I can send you the notes of Asian Autism Conference which was held in last August.  Since it's on a CD-R, please pm your postal address for mailing.  

jasper888

Dear MerMee

According to information I obtained previously was if one has injected too deep, then the wee would turn pink.

My experience is if you have the injection for the first time, the wee will usu get pink for around half to 1 day.  But even with the same injection technique, as I continued to give my son the injection, the wee will not be pink anymore.  But if I have stopped the injection for a long time, say 1month, then on resuming the injection, pink wee comes back again.  No explanation for that though.

You can ask Dr T for the short needle syringe, then it is unlikely for the injection to get too deep

kawai

Hi Mermee,

I copy & paste the following from Dr. Nrneubrander's site for your information:

Myth: Pink Urine Can Be Seen Even With Subcutaneous Injections And/Or It Indicates That The Body Has All The Methyl-B12 It Needs And That It Is Building Up To Levels That Are Too High For The Body And Is Becoming Toxic.

Pink urine from methyl-B12 stock solutions of 25 mg/ml, when given shallowly into subcutaneous adipose tissue of the buttocks at the standard doses recommended never produces pink or red urine.  100% of the time when I have been challenged on this point, once I helped the parents “tweak their technique” and no longer be near the SQ:IM junction, the pink urine they were seeing disappeared.  The only exception to this has been in children that have essentially no subcutaneous adipose tissue so that muscle or the SQ:IM junction cannot be avoided.

Pink urine is a function of these factors: Primary factor #1 -- total volume [not dose] of the "red substance" administered whether from a stock solution of 1 mg/ml or 25 mg/ml; Primary factor #2 -- the relative speed of entry of the total volume of red substance into the bloodstream which is much faster when given IM or near the SQ:IM junction; Secondary factor #1 -- the rate of filtration by the bloodstream to clear the red coloration; Secondary factor #2 – the time of injection.  Shots given at night that are IM, shots near the SQ:IM junction, shots at higher doses than the standard doses recommended, shots with higher volumes to produce the same total dose or to produce greater than standard doses, and shots made from less concentrated solutions with greater surface areas will all appear in the bloodstream relatively quickly and pass into the urine.  Once present, nighttime urine will be concentrated and therefore whatever color the filtered substance is, whether yellow or red, etc., it will appear darker in a morning urine specimen.     

It is important to note that pink/red urine is not a function of some buildup of methyl-B12 finally getting "high enough" and spilling over.  It is not a function of some gradual toxicity level appearing because the dose of B12 [for the standard recommended dosage ranges] is below doses that have been safely used for years, e.g. in patients with pernicious anemia.  It is not a function of the cobalt atom because the cobalt atom is inactive when "contained" within the corrin ring structure and therefore does not cumulatively bind to tissues and color the urine pink/red.  

MerMee

Dear jasper888,

thx for your sharing.    我仔pat pat 幾多肉可能誤導了我以為打得夠淺了. 其實dr t 有教我 meet 起一忽肉打的. 我會再努力試.

MerMee

Hi kawai,
thank you, it's very helpful.  but what is IM and SQ:IM? are they important to know?

wewangwang

Hi Pamam,

My son’s situation is similar to yours. He shows interest in being social, he enjoys people in general, he knows the clue on how to maintain friendship but that he is usually at sea about how to proceed.

As for my son’s case, strictly speaking, he is not undergoing a DAN protocol as he is not on a GFCF diet. I tried bio-med because I think his main issue is the toxic metals. He started 5-6 months ago. After the lab test it showed that he had a very high mercury level, the typical autistic child  bio-chemistry. He has gone through a few rounds of DSMA and two TD-DMPS till now. I saw negatives & regression at the first 2 months, especially after the first TD- DMPS. Then there was slight to mild day to day progress, very subtle but it is there. I feel that he now thinks faster, better speech, logical thinking and mental maths improved. Yet there are still areas being non-responded,  comparatively unorganized and non fluent speech, lack of social interaction with his peers and being fully alert in group's activities etc. If these weaknesses can be resolved I would say he is fully recovered. Haha I am dreaming of this miracle one day. Bio-med is such a huge subject and there are also other things like the yeast/bacteria, liver dysfunction, genetic issues and even diet. So many factors come into play. Some kids do better with one chelator over another. There are many theories and new products floating around. Once a parent becomes attached and invested it, I feel they are loathe to let it go.

wewangwang

Hi Kawai and other moms,

Have you heard about  the Genetic Analysis Report (GAR) from Dr. Amy Yasko. It is said that it would give you a complete genetic map of the child. It  cuts out all the guesswork and we can  find out what  does/doesn't help our children.  I know it would be hugh expensive but if it works I am willing to try.

chanchanboy

Justin2002,

I know your son is having enzymes.  But is he in GFCF?  My son shows allergy to wheat / milk though he is on GFCF for over a year.

Justin2002 寫道:
Surprisingly, nothing abnormal related to wheat/milk allergy.  He also commented that his report is fairly good.  He prefer to treat the herpes problem first but I hesitate.  I think I shall not give Valtrex to my son as Dr. Td said we shall expect to have 3-4 weeks of regression before turning to be effective.

Justin2002

chanchanboy,

Basically yes, but you know, just escape from eating something which may contain gluten especially when we dine outside.  Usually, I will ask for rice without any sauce or if vegetables do have sauce, I shall put in hot water first and just to "dilute" the taste!

In fact, I do ocassionally give brown rice bread (made from brown rice but with yeast added which is bought in bakery in City Super) to my son, say 1 pc divided into two times a day, once or twice a week.  Of course, I give him the AFP enzyme before eating this bread.   Sometimes, he even eats toast (but very little amount) when we have breakfast during weekend outside, but again with AFP taken in advance.

Call me if you want to know more.

Justin2002

ultramom

Kawai & 各位家長,
我個仔開始咗EDTA supp, 而家想同佢做個urine toxin test, 請問chelation個日應唔應該照俾supplement呢?
以前我哋做dmsa時, dr trodd話嗰幾日停哂所有mineral, 都唔知點解   係咪因為要做urine test, 驚影響result?
可否俾d意見?
唔該先..
ultramom
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kawai 寫道:
chanchanboy,

We're going to visit Dr. Trodd next week for the safety lab test as suggested by Dr. Usman.  Is RBC one of the safety lab tests?  If not, I'll reject to do it.  

As planned, I will use Direct Lab Service for urine toxin follow-up test.

HayBMum

I found a brand with gluten free Ham in City Super.  It's ingradient is more natural as compared with the other brands.  It's good that my son can have ham sandwiches now.

Justin2002 寫道:
In fact, I do ocassionally give brown rice bread (made from brown rice but with yeast added which is bought in bakery in City Super) to my son, say 1 pc divided into two times a day, once or twice a week.  

jj06mum

a bit more info on EDTA and DMSA.  one research paper from 1990 notes one difference between CaNa2EDTA and DMSA being that CaNa2EDTA produces enoumous diuresis of zinc (ie loss of zinc) whereas DMSA has negligible influence on the urinary losses of zinc, copper, iron, and calcium.

CaNa2EDTA has been the main chelating agent for lead poisoning for more than 38yrs (as by 1990) whereas DMSA is a new but promising orphan drug.

to read the abstract of the paper, go to  
www.pubmed.gov

type in search code: 1965166

kawai

HayBMum,

Does the ham contain preservative?  My son likes ham either.  BTW, Dr. Trodd had a good mood today.  My husband said he's quite open for the suggestion on the lab tests.  

Ultramom,

No need to stop the supplement if only urine toxin test.  My son went to Dr. Trodd this afternoon for the hair toxin test and passed them the urine sample.  Blood drawing has been postponed to next Tuseday because plasma zinc and other tests are needed to have the stomach empty for 12 hours before the test.  

wewangwang,

My son did the GAR last year and finally got the report and the anlysis  last March. The whole procedure took 1 year long.  My son GAR showed no genetic problem but seemed to be affected by the environment.  According to Dr Garry Gordon's comment, my son should be getting better after chelation therapy.  I really hope that getting rid of the toxins is the key helping my son back to the real world.  As you may be aware that I've been trying almost everything but didn't go for the chelation therapy seriously until now.  Actually biomedical treatment do help my son in all aspects slowly and steadily.  The most significant part is he becomes to have a better immune system.   Since under the  bio-treatment 2 years ago, he hasn't taken any antibiotic.  I think your son doesn't need to do the GAR test unless you've nothing gained from DAN protocol.  There are records that Parents shifted to Dr. Amy Yasko because their kids cannot be treated by DAN.  

Pamam,

Bio-treatment is not a method that always works and it depends on many unknwon and uncertainty.  It may be useful for someone but not to some others.