文法雜談1— 老師說：「拿破崙革命我讀過，Are you know?」

haihaimom

MASAYA 發表於 17-5-31 10:34
如果佢本身係鋼材咪平平穩穩，但如果佢本身係鑽石，妳將佢打碎磨粉，重新建構成鋼材，唔見得好平穩  ...

如果佢係鑽石，你強迫佢做龬材，最後可能佢既做不成鑽石亦成不了龬，重點係佢想自己做乜？的確我哋依一批父母靠讀書/成績擠身中產改善生活，會好擔心我哋下一代行唔返我地條舊路點算！

1998Ruby1998

去英國讀書先發現自己係生錯地方，我依家讀語言學同外語讀得好開心同容易，唔需要日讀夜讀焦頭爛額都讀唔掂，我可以臨考前溫大約 10 個鐘就可以去考。香港除左英文中文之外，仲有咩語言可以考？就算係法文、德文果 d，要自己報同埋畀錢出去學，父母覺得浪費金錢同時間，仲要 DSE 考幾個外語都只能夠選其中一個計算在內，更何況我 DSE 係多數學為主嘅科目。

如果生在英國，A Levels 考純外語或者一個 X and X Language Joint Honour，或者我同父母就唔洗咁辛苦同絕望。

YolandaTam

shadeslayer 發表於 17-5-29 21:15
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 17-5-30 02:31 編輯

Once my daughter has the basics, I want her to deve ...

本帖最後由 YolandaTam 於 17-5-31 11:31 編輯

Totally agree.My girl is just the opposite of what I "want": I wanted her to be well versed in English, have a good sense of appreciation to Chinese culture, art and music, be gentle and elegant.
Reality is just the opposite: despite of great, persistent effort in English and Chinese reading, she lacks appreciation to Chinese culture and scores so so in English.She has no interest in art and music at all, these activities are wastes of time or even a torture to her. Instead, she is interested in history, science, geography and mathematics.She spends lots of time on these stuff, physics is particularly attractive to her.Knowing that her mathematics is not good enough, though sometimes frustrated, she works very hard on it.She is in no way gentle and og course not elegant, but she is sensible, honest, tough and diligent.
To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed because in my mind, life of a girl like this is difficult.However, I start to appreciate her, I learn a lot from her, especially how she handles bullying and rejection from her classmates or even some teachers.

MASAYA

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 11:30
去英國讀書先發現自己係生錯地方，我依家讀語言學同外語讀得好開心同容易，唔需要日讀夜讀焦頭爛額都讀唔掂 ...

生錯地方定香港教育根本有問題？

1998Ruby1998

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問題比好多國家都大，又同時比好多地方細，我慶幸自己唔係內地、韓國呢 d 地方讀書，但同時又覺得自己如果生在一個重視外語嘅地方的話，我會活得更好。

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 11:30
去英國讀書先發現自己係生錯地方，我依家讀語言學同外語讀得好開心同容易，唔需要日讀夜讀焦頭爛額都讀唔掂 ...

點解呀女考 Eng Lit 話可以唔温？

shadeslayer

YolandaTam 發表於 17-5-31 11:31
本帖最後由 YolandaTam 於 17-5-31 11:33 編輯

本帖最後由 YolandaTam 於 17-5-31 11:31 編輯

it all boils down to parents truly respect the children as individuals and have their own destiny.   worry about things that parents have no control is a waste if time.

little_yolky

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 11:13
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話唔定女女將來會做室內／廣告設計呢？

in this moment 佢話想做廚師。佢鐘意入廚房, 個人相當為食, 個味覺亦相當OK, 居然食得出C6用咩調味料煮餸, 好神奇, 我即時諗起大長今個劇情。

噚日我要上堂, 無人煮lunch。11:XX佢肚仔餓, 開雪櫃自己攞yogurt食。頂到1:30, 實在餓得緊要, 同C6講肚仔餓, 因為佢之前激嬲C6, 所以C6無理佢, 阿細居然自己走去廚房洗米煮飯！佢話諗住煎隻荷包蛋頂肚。我諗8歲港孩肚餓會走去洗米煮飯既, 實在唔多, 真係孺子可教。＿

1998Ruby1998

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就好似我英文同通識都係唔洗溫、唔洗聽書／溫書都可以考得好。有某些科目同一 d 人係一拍即合，但係認真講句，Eng Lit 同 VA 一樣，溫左未必用到（除非你將書、詩、話劇、筆記等一字不漏背曬），考試卷年年題目都唔同類型／主題，操考試卷就更加冇用。好似我咁，用幾多時間去溫夠唔及一個考天才波嘅人。

1998Ruby1998

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咁好耶？！可能真係做到第二個大長今。暑假佢得閒就搵 d 食譜／提升對製成品嘅要求，培養得黎都有得食，話唔埋可能做到 5 星級酒店大廚。

shadeslayer

little_yolky 發表於 17-5-31 12:21
in this moment 佢話想做廚師。佢鐘意入廚房, 個人相當為食, 個味覺亦相當OK, 居然食得出C6用咩調味料煮餸 ...

叻女!

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 12:27
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就好似我英文同通識都係唔洗溫、唔洗聽書／溫書都可以考得好。有某些科目同一 d  ...

呀女最鐘意D唔使點温的科目, Eng Lit/Art。亦將會修 Anthro, 背少D書。課外玩 debate 也喜歡 impromptu.

In fact I argue at this stage she should broaden her skill sets, not only doing things she does well.

我問佢做乜首詩得十短句, 半板唔夠, 你可以演譯出四板紙, 佢仲教我 Eng Lit 只要找出 talking points, give examples and explain the examples.   Easy 咁話！

YolandaTam

shadeslayer 發表於 17-5-31 12:20
it all boils down to parents truly respect the children as individuals and have their own destiny.  ...

yes.. you are right

little_yolky

shadeslayer 發表於 17-5-31 12:45
呀女最鐘意D唔使點温的科目, Eng Lit/Art。亦將會修 Anthro, 背少D書。課外玩 debate 也喜歡 impromptu.

...

Anthro係指Anthropology嗎? 佢响美國讀書? 如果係, suggest佢修下D Archaeology或者Physical Anthropology既科, 唔駛點背書, 但相當interesting。

shadeslayer

little_yolky 發表於 17-5-31 14:50
Anthro係指Anthropology嗎? 佢响美國讀書? 如果係, suggest佢修下D Archaeology或者Physical Anthropology ...

Yes Anthropology. She is in year 11 in one of International Schools in HK.

1998Ruby1998

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佢又講得啱喎
我就淨係鍾意學語言，算係半背半 logic，所以全背書例如歷史咁，又或者全邏輯咁例如數學、Physics 咁，我係搞唔掂，所以中學生涯咪好辛苦。諗返應該修 Geog、Bio／Chem。

通才同專才，呢個係一個好大嘅議題。我會覺得自己想做專才中嘅通才，專門讀語言但係又讀好多唔同語言。記得一篇文章講過人口多而勞動市場職位飽和嘅情況，專才先對社會發展好。依家香港主將通才，真係要用十幾年時間睇先知道到底果篇文章嘅論述係咪準確。

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 18:36
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佢又講得啱喎

佢講得啱唔啱我唔知, 但佢做 Eng Lit D 詩, plays, 我睇極都唔明。

本地學校的歷史科, 是考背書多, 但外國教歷史, 有一半係思考和意見。

我覺得 chem 邏輯性最強, Bi0 背書最多。

shadeslayer

1998Ruby1998 發表於 17-5-31 18:36
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佢又講得啱喎

專才和通才, 我覺得通才較難被取代。香港地專才專專下也要變通才。

wtyedu

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多謝你 我都係因為睇到個 Did you know? 句子覺得有趣, 先再深入研究各種 Tenses 的用法.其實都係平時見到D英文句子覺得有特別會主動去研究吓. 唔係以前讀書被動咁樣俾人教。                        

啱啱隔離貼 "文法雜談2" 講起 "I have done it yesterday."，就用佢做例子。分享自己少少心得, EK 咁多英文高手, 我都係拋磚引玉喞. 有錯亦請不吝指出 :

如果你問個仔功課做成點，咁佢可以按情況/重點答你: (括號内係可能隱含意思)                       
1. 最簡單答做完，佢唔特別講幾時，總之而家做完啦: I have done my homework. (一問一答)
2. 或者征佢想話，我尋日做完功課！ I did my homework yesterday. (我都勤力架)
3. 又或者佢想話，今日食晏前已做完， I had done my homework before I had lunch. (我有交戴架)
4. 可能佢做緊: I'm doing my homework. (咪做緊囖)
5. 或者嚟緊做: I'll do my homework later. (得啦)
6. 仲有一個中文好難簡單表達的"已做咗一陣,仲會繼續做": I have been doing my homework for 3 hours. (唔好煩我)

所以Tenses 冇話用邊個啱唔啱, 係講者想表達D乜嘢同D乜時間.

當然, 有時句子間會有矛盾，例如 I have done it yesterday, "have done" 係表達總之而家做完咗(你唔好理幾時啦), 但又加 "yesterday"，就不合理了.

其實我都係八十年代中中嘅產品, 文法好極有限,雖然有幸係樓主口中講的入中大尖子(其實唔係),但相信當時英文水平不會比樓主好. 只不過係工作需要接觸我英文, 才慢慢進步, 但最大的分別係態度, 以前不喜歡英文, 而家會主動多了解,研究.

雖然講咗咁多文法嘢, 但我絕對同意樓主講小朋友應閱讀唔學文法. 學文法係要已有一定英語能力才有得著.