用外國passport 申請國際學校。。。

IMCheung

請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？

FennieMan

原帖由 IMCheung 於 13-10-11 發表
請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？

如你揸住嗰個國家passport (如加拿大國際，德瑞等）有優先權。但如英基有冇passport都唔重要。你最好上佢地網址睇清潔。重有就算有嗰個國家passport, 條waiting lists 都超長。

FattyDaddy

FennieMan 發表於 13-10-11 16:40
但如英基有冇passport都唔重要 ...

This may have been the case previously when ESF were still receiving subvention from the Hongkong government, but since that is going to be phased out they have revised their admission policies this Summer and now they officially state on their website that they expect 70% of their students to be holders of foreign passports (doesn't matter which foreign country though).

FattyDaddy

IMCheung 發表於 13-10-11 13:16
請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？

On internet forums like this one, there are bound to be rumours and hear-say floating around, typically in the form of stories like "I know a foreign child who was rejected" or "We don't hold foreign passports but our child was accepted" etc etc. While I don't rule out that these could well be true cases, they are the exceptions rather than the norm.

If your child has a foreign passport, ALWAYS state this fact clearly on the application form when applying to international schools. No, it is not a guarantee that your child will be accepted, it may not even increase your child's chances significantly, but not stating this fact will almost certainly REDUCE his/her chances.

紅紅

未必有優勢，但肯定冇蝕底

IMCheung

ic, thanks for the information, I definitely will try to mark on the application form for my son.  It's worth to try even though the results are uncertain!

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-11 發表
This may have been the case previously when ESF were still receiving subvention from the Hongkong go ...

The text said ESF's "expectation" and it is not the same as ESF "enforcing" a 70% rule. I suspect they would have said it clearly if that it is a rule rather than an expectation.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-12 10:54
The text said ESF's "expectation" and it is not the same as ESF "enforcing" a 70% rule. I suspect th ...

Their exact wording ...

"In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport."
http://www.esf.edu.hk/policy2013

Feel free to interpret the above in a way which suits you {:1_1:}

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-12 發表
Their exact wording ...

"In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total  ...

Thanks for quoting the exact wording which is clear. You probably should have quoted this the first time round and avoided using your own language.

BTW, what is the EDB requirements?  Many IS having more than 30% locals.

According to official document released at the end of 2012 by EDB (data as at 2011).  In this couple of years, the HK local percentage can only go up:

Kingston - 65.5%Think IS - 61.5%
Norwegian IS - 55.8%
Sear Rogers IS - 48%
Concordia IS - 47%
YCIS - 41.3%
KCIS - 41%
CAIS  - 33.8%
SIS - 32.8%
International College Hong Kong - 30.4%
Harrow - 30%

Note: These are "official" IS defined by EDB.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-12 21:00
Thanks for quoting the exact wording which is clear. You probably should have quoted this the first ...

I was expressing my own opinion in my own language, I'm amazed that this wasn't obvious to you.

Nevertheless, the figures you dug up are useful, the schools which has higher percentages tend to be the less popular ones amongst international schools (my own opinion again, in case you have a problem recognizing this)

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-12 21:26
I was expressing my own opinion in my own language, I'm amazed that this wasn't obvious to you.

Nev ...

Everybody on this forum are using their own language and having their own opinion.  Your language and opinion was not the same as the policy on the ESF web site, which you corrected with the second post, thank you.
Popular or not is beside the point I was trying to make, nor was it the answer to the question I was trying to ask.  Where does this EDB 70% non local rule/requirement come from when many "official" IS have >30% HK locals?  I believe there are existing ESF schools having a close to or higher than 30% HK locals.  Deciding to apply a new rule to the biggest IS provider in HK (not the other IS) and at the same time disadvantage them by limiting their student mix is a bold move by the HK government.   How do they know 30% is the magic number anyway?  I wish someone has the inside story.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-13 01:00
Your language and opinion was not the same as the policy on the ESF web site ...

Lets see, my sentence was ...

"they officially state on their website that they expect 70% of their students to be holders of foreign passports"

ESF's actual wording was ...

"at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport"

No, they are not exactly the same, but anyone without problems in reading comprehension would agree that mine was hardly a misinterpretation.

Please, go seek help, for your family's sake if not your own sake {:1_1:}

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-13 02:06
Lets see, my sentence was ...

"they officially state on their website that they expect 70% of thei ...

Please, go seek help, for your family's sake if not your own sake {:1_1:}
xxxxxx

My family is doing great, thank you for your concern. Let the viewers decide who actually needs help.

"expects" vs "will qualify as" are day and night difference.

I expect young people to give seats to elderly in a busy MTR.

vs

Young people who do not give seats to elderly in a busy MTR will qualify as an punishable offense.

Anyway, there is no point continuing this. I am not the kind of people who are satisfy with "just about right".

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-13 02:21
Let the viewers decide who actually needs help

Hehe, you're a real classic. Over the many years you have been here under the guise of many different identities, you must have amused a lot of people (myself included), we should thank you for this if nothing else

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-13 02:37
Hehe, you're a real classic. Over the many years you have been here under the guise of many differen ...

I simply pursue truth and not putting up with "just about", "close enough", "you know what I mean" kind of response. If somebody is upset or feel uncomfortable just because others clarify an ambiguous point, I can't help it. I won't be apologetic, or change my behavior if someone happens to find it amusing or offensive.

21Ckid

I didn't see anything wrong with fattydaddy's first use of this word above. I am sure anyone having a proper understanding of english knows the word "expect", when used in different context, has slightly different meaning.

sweetheartb

Me too, esf's new requirement is very simple, I get that they will only take 30% max. non-foreign passport holders. Pretty obvious...however i've learned very professional english from both of them, thx both!

caa

I believe that it is ESF who is playing ambiguity but absolutely not fattydaddy. That statement seems to address those HK permanent resident who holds foreign passports (duel nationalities) still qualify as non-locals for the purpose of meeting government requirement.

shadeslayer

caa 發表於 13-10-14 09:07
I believe that it is ESF who is playing ambiguity but absolutely not fattydaddy. That statement seem ...

No, HK government has a clear definition of HK locals; HK residents without a foriegn passport.  i got this definition from the EB web site:
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* In this and following entries, “HK Local” refers to Hong Kong permanent residents (with the right of abode in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) and do not have any foreign passport (except British National (Overseas) Passport).

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Exact wording, no implies, no guess work required.

shadeslayer

Guys, if this forum thinks that "expects" implies "will qualify for", you must agree with the Philippines newpaper's side when they said "put behind" to mean "step forward".  It is the same thing, right?  Rather, the HK government and the Philippines government should seek help in English comprehension, I suppose.