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培養孩子做廢人?




上星期談到現今的父母是不是需要送子女一層樓,收到一些讀者來郵,慨嘆為人父母甚艱難。其中,一位讀者在報章網上版留言,說「生個仔出來培養他們做廢人」,這話就真的是說到心坎裏。這位讀者的話,值得爸爸媽媽去思考。我敢肯定,沒有爸媽會致力培養孩子做廢人,不過,讓我們躬自反省,在過份催谷、過份照顧的過程裏,有沒有不自覺地廢掉孩子一些很重要的品質和能力?






父母需學懂怎去「放手」

譬如說,現在很流行的:要小朋友在5歲就考個二級或三級鋼琴,令他們的Portfolio有亮點,增加小一面試被取錄的機會;到小六時就要考得八級鋼琴,方便升中面試。有沒有想過,在這種催迫之下,其實廢了孩子對音樂的興趣?


將孩子的課餘時間填得滿滿的,一星期要他們跑五、六個補習班,又無形中廢了他們發掘自己興趣的能力。爸媽把孩子的功課跟得滴水不漏,交回老師的功課都是完美無瑕,是不是也廢了他們從犯錯中學習、或者面對錯誤的機會?讓工人將小主人的起居照顧得無微不至,但求小主人能專心學業,那豈不又廢了他們自我照顧的能力?


上星期,一個國際教育機構公佈「全球學生閱讀能力進展研究2011」,香港學生的閱讀能力,位列全球四十五個參加研究國家和地區之首,但閱讀動機卻是全球包尾。原來我們的學生,越讀越叻卻越來越沒有興趣,催谷他們為成績多看書,久而久之就廢了他們對書本的興趣。


上天是公平的,我們只顧操練右手,左手就會變廢。你要孩子十項全能,他們就沒有時間天馬行空。無錯,現實很殘酷、競爭很激烈,但如果爸媽在培養孩子時,不時反思「谷了甚麼,又廢了甚麼」,或者就能找到一個平衡,或者就能學懂怎樣去「放手」。





蘇菲


http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20121222/18110289





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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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引用:+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+12-12-23+18:46

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 發表
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 18:52 編輯
I'll stop here and let you off the hook this time.

Xxxx

It has been fun.  Thank you very much for letting me off the hook. I would even grant you victory.



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發表於 12-12-23 18:46 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 18:52 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 12-12-23 17:47
Emm... Boring.  I wonder when you will start picking my typo and declare your victory....

I don't think I ever picked on your typo, it was pretty clear what you were getting at. This is not the first time you pointed fingers at this group of people either, and seeing that they bug you so much I doubt if it would be the last. If I were you, I would spend more time sharing with your cozy little circle of cyber-friends here what you think you did right, rather than habitually taking pot shots at a group of people for what you think they did wrong.

Seeing that someone got banned (funny that he/she thought the moderator would be on his/her side) which is not what I want to see, I'll stop here and let you off the hook this time. There is no "victory" nor "defeat" in any of this, even for that pathetic wimp who got banned, he/she could always come back as a new user, which I believe you also did at some stage.

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引用:+本帖最後由+shadeslayer+於+12-12-23+18:0

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 12-12-23 發表
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 12-12-23 18:06 編輯
Sorry ANChan, I hope we can go back to your topic soon.



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引用:+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+12-12-23+17:24

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 12-12-23 18:06 編輯
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 發表
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 17:24 編輯

You mean people in Guangdong are dropping cantonese in China?  And they are no longer conversant with cantonese?  Hokkien people are dropping Hokkien, Shanghai people dropping their Shanghai dialect, Sichuan people are dropping their Sichuan dialect?

Any statistics or news article to support that?

Even if Cantonese is not spoken in Guangdong anymore (we know it is not true, but let's play along this idea), did they drop Cantonese to become cat 1???

Millions of Chinese dropping their Dialect to get into cat 1???

I have said Cantonese speaking people in HK avoid mother tongue to get in cat 1 無所不用其極。I did not say categorically people dropping their Chinese dialect 無所不用其極.

You again invented something I didn't say and thought you won any argument and you have the right to call me provincial mindset. Funny thing is, then you apologized for something you did not do and indulged in your little celebratory remarks.  Don't worry, my ego can't possibly be hurt by you, I am quite sure of it.  You really are a master of the straw-man approach.

Emm... Boring.  I wonder when you will start picking my typo and declare your victory.


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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 17:24 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 12-12-23 16:56
I have the same right to say Chinese people (mother tongue Cantonese) avoiding mother tongue to get in cat 1 is very much 無所不用其極。...

Ok then, lets deal with this group, so there are Cantonese Hongkongers who opt to drop Cantonese, and learn Mandarin at ESF. Let me ask you this, how are they different from the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in China who decided to drop their mother tongue dialect in favour of Mandarin? Many youngsters in China can no longer converse in their dialect, or feel quite awkward at it and are more comfortable in their new mother tongue Mandarin. Are they 無所不用其極? Are they trying hard not to be Chinese?

Sorry that I broke open your little provincial Cantonese walnut which you were so comfortably encased in and showed you the bigger picture, it might have hurt your bloated ego but I hope it will do you good in the end.

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發表於 12-12-23 16:56 |只看該作者

引用:Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+12-12-23+15:50+

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 12-12-23 17:07 編輯
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 發表
Cantonese being the majority in Hongkong does NOT mean those Cat 1 Hongkongers in ESF must be avoidi ...

Cantonese being the majority in Hongkong does NOT mean those Cat 1 Hongkongers in ESF must be avoiding their mother tongue

Xxxxxx

I never said categorically Hong Kong cat 1 students in ESF are avoiding mother tongue.  What gives you the right to invent something and then label me.

You have the right to say Chinese people (mother tongue Cantonese) avoiding mother tongue to get in cat 1 is NOT 無所不用其極。

I have the same right to say Chinese people (mother tongue Cantonese) avoiding mother tongue to get in cat 1 is very much 無所不用其極。

Is that slinging mud? is that ill sense of righteousness? You and I are never going to agree. Let the others to decide.

That is the end of it.  Pick something else to argue please.



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shadeslayer 發表於 12-12-23 15:50
What is the percentage of Hong Kong permanent residents of Chinese origin who do not know cantonese? ...
Cantonese being the majority in Hongkong does NOT mean those Cat 1 Hongkongers in ESF must be avoiding their mother tongue, you being a member of the majority does NOT give you any right to categorically label others as 無所不同其極 and sling mud at them, that is your ill sense of self righteousness.

Honestly, I have no interest in dealing with the likes of you who indulge in cyberspace for YEARS building up your little comfort zone, that is why I seldom/never comment on your frequent categoric and sweeping statements made here and there, but your mud slinging and pot shots at a certain group of ESF parents and children are something else and need to be rebuked. Call it picking a fight if you will, if you sling mud at others, be prepared that they will come down on you like a ton of bricks.

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發表於 12-12-23 15:50 |只看該作者

引用:Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+12-12-23+13:38+

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 發表
What kind of behaviour is that? You believe Hongkongers of Chinese origin must all be Cantonese and  ...
What is the percentage of Hong Kong permanent residents of Chinese origin who do not know cantonese?  They obviously do not qualify for what I said 無所不同其極。

If you want to pick a fight, pick something that is more worthy of arguing.



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發表於 12-12-23 14:17 |只看該作者
shadeslayer 發表於 12-12-23 13:38
Ok, so no groups of ESF parents and students can be criticized, right?  I was commenting on the behavior in this thread, ESF or not is not the point ...
What kind of behaviour is that? You believe Hongkongers of Chinese origin must all be Cantonese and if they are Cat 1 in ESF then they must be avoiding their mother tongue, I'm saying you're just plain wrong.

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simpleway  In other words, I'm saying you're just a plain liar!  發表於 12-12-23 14:28
simpleway  I'm saying you're just plain吹水或者老作, why don't you answer me?  發表於 12-12-23 14:26
simpleway  你都仲未答我,乜祖國1.2 billion同胞都係咁諗咩,你點知,定係你吹水或者老作?  發表於 12-12-23 14:22


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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 12-12-23 13:40 編輯
FattyDaddy 發表於 12-12-23 12:06
What? You have been here for YEARS? No wonder you have your cozy little circle here

Was I  ...

Ok, so no groups of ESF parents and students can be criticized, right?  I was commenting on the behavior in this thread, ESF or not is not the point.

Stating facts is useless without understanding what it means.  I can say the sun comes up from the east every morning and that is a fact.

(1) that your mother tongue is not understood by 92% of Chinese,

So what? Does that make Cantonese less Chinese?  



(2) that there are many Cat 1 students in ESF happily speaking their mother tongue (i.e. proper Chinese) every day, though these might be inconvenient facts to you.


So you are saying only Mandarin can be called "proper" Chinese?  A language that became popular for only about a 100 years in the face of 5000 years of Chinese civilization?  All other languages spoken in China cease to be Chinese?


Why does cat 1 students speaking Mandarin an inconvenient fact to me?
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本帖最後由 mirage 於 12-12-23 13:40 編輯

英基有咁多間小學,自然會俾其他IS多D扮cat 1 的家長。嗰D認為廣東話不是proper Chinese ,喜歡只將晉通話簡體字當作真正中文的家長,請你們保持這想法直至永遠,千萬不要讓在esf 學習中文的小童出外補中文

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FattyDaddy  保持這想法直至永遠 <-- Sure thing, err, do you change your mind every now and then regarding your children's education? Must be fun for them {:1_1:}  發表於 12-12-23 14:37

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算啦..... 小事一樁。

祝大家聖誕快樂,主內平安.......

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FattyDaddy  Hear hear, I second that ... peace on earth and mercy mild, God and sinners reconcile {:1_1:}  發表於 12-12-23 13:28
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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> 極無網品既“高上“人士

Good one, try to spot the 白字 in this sentence, winner will get a second mince pie from Santa.

Oh, you're not joining in the game? After all, they are your sentences. Too difficult for you? Oh come on, be a sport


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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 12:33 編輯

If I was picking on anyone's Chinese capability, I would have started with this little friend of yours ...

"呢你D論調真真無稽又野笑!你係台灣講肯定南部班獨派當你上賓;係大陸宣揚,即刻送你入秦城,分裂國家罪判你無期途刑!"

Everyone, try to spot the two 白字 in that short paragraph, the winner will get a mince pie from Santa

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simpleway  捉埋白字,果然係個極無網品既“高上“人士!  發表於 12-12-23 12:50

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 12-12-23 12:26 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 12-12-23 10:14
I participated in countless number of discussions in EK over the years and you are the second person ...

What? You have been here for YEARS? No wonder you have your cozy little circle here {:1_1:}

Was I commenting on your Chinese capability? Hardly, I was commenting on your ill sense of self righteousness and your habit of slinging mud at certain groups of ESF parents and students at every opportunity, no matter what the subject of discussion is.

I stated nothing but facts, (1) that your mother tongue is not understood by 92% of Chinese, and (2) that there are many Cat 1 students in ESF happily speaking their mother tongue (i.e. proper Chinese) every day, though these might be inconvenient facts to you.


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回覆:培養孩子做廢人?

I participated in countless number of discussions in EK over the years and you are the second person who resorted to attacking my Chinese capability and thought you won anything.  Well done. Keep it up.



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