強烈要求教會學校查証領洗紙來源

BBTWIN

越想越激氣, o尼d係咩野學校(約克), 咩野家長???教壞小朋友,  走捷徑, 假信教, 破壞教會名聲. 我地呢d守規舉但冇宗教5分少左進心儀學校機會. 所以強烈要求學校要留意領洗紙上的堂印, 如果是菲律賓堂印, 就要當事人拿出更多証明. 唔好比呢d有歪心的媽咪成功申請:;pppp: :;pppp: :;pppp: .

victorf

其實...正正常常係香港既教會洗到禮，好少係求其上個COURSE就攪得到既事，正所謂一入“耶門”深似海....有好多代價的...當然恩典就更多...

不過唔講宗教分，一個小孩同家人如果係教會成長，持續參與教會生活一兩年以上，其實對小生命成長有好大造就...起碼...番教會係唔駛考亦唔駛$的...

至於個5分，其實其他宗教既信眾或者作為辦學團體既成員都可以攞到既...(當然係要MATCH間學校），而並唔係“耶教分”來....

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Sindy

原帖由 shootingstar 於 10-10-4 21:35 發表


計分者只佔20%,

必收生 (即兄姊正在就讀) 才是佔30 %

謝謝更正

shootingstar

原帖由 Sindy 於 10-10-4 18:09 發表


20%必收生滿額時,拎50%統一額.....

必收生=兄姊正在就讀,唔係計分果D,如呢20%唔滿時,餘額會比30%計分者

計分者只佔20%,

必收生 (即兄姊正在就讀) 才是佔30 %

TMMA

原帖由 Sindy 於 10-10-4 18:17 發表


我親身經歷過一間學校,就只係家長教師會咋...都搞到九彩咁亂,有家長為利益玩野.....搞到學校不安寧.....所以我絕對支持樞機既意見

me too!

thomasha

Your information is very useful in understanding more details about the process involved, which in turn sheds some light on where the verification work can be directed to.  

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-4 19:37 發表


My comment is not against you, sorry for causing the misunderstanding.

Most of your questions are valid and help to identify what's the issue and provide some positive recommendations like verifi ...

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ANChan59

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-4 18:53 發表
I just want to learn more about the process.  

It's fair for non-believers like me who support continuation of these 5 marks to ensure the religious schools award the marks fairly and reasonably.  

...

My comment is not against you, sorry for causing the misunderstanding.

Most of your questions are valid and help to identify what's the issue and provide some positive recommendations like verification.

I try to explain the process in detail because not many people shared their process here and may cause misunderstanding to most non-believers.

thomasha

I just want to learn more about the process.  

It's fair for non-believers like me who support continuation of these 5 marks to ensure the religious schools award the marks fairly and reasonably.  

The issue is with fake believers and their behaviour should not turn believers and non-believers against each other.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-4 18:39 發表
If we are believers, we need to prove to the school and we know the requirements of the target school. Only non-believers query the process, eventually, none of their business:D

thomasha

Thank you!  Very informative indeed!

I think all these cases have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis, e.g. being baptised outside HK may not necessarily means you should not be entitled to the 5 marks; it depends on the circumstances.  

People like me who are non-believers are probably believed to be more impartial and thus more convincing on this matter - believers may be regarded as "existing beneficiaries".  

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-4 15:50 發表


Just copy my response from another thread -

"由政治正確及意識形態爭論後，回歸實際操作。

我孩子出生後約談6-7個月，在基督教教會參加"嬰兒奉獻禮"而非浸禮，目的是父母在會眾面前承諾願意按聖經教誨，教育子女，牧師 ...

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ANChan59

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meia

Don't worry, I noted that at least one Catholic school has already stated in their 交表注意事項 (自行分配) that they would check the 領洗紙 issued overseas.  The applicant will have to take the cert to 本堂神父 for endorsement.  I trust that the schools would take the necessary action to verify the cert.

Sindy

原帖由 ANChan59 於 10-10-4 14:47 發表


現在可能多d人明白點解陳樞機主教反對學校法團制度，無喱頭整班非教徒家長改變學校的教育理念。

我親身經歷過一間學校,就只係家長教師會咋...都搞到九彩咁亂,有家長為利益玩野.....搞到學校不安寧.....所以我絕對支持樞機既意見

Sindy

原帖由 Unclejt 於 10-10-4 14:08 發表
如30%超收時,會拎50%統一額???

20%必收生滿額時,拎50%統一額.....

必收生=兄姊正在就讀,唔係計分果D,如呢20%唔滿時,餘額會比30%計分者

culver

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-4 15:25 發表
我反而想教徒分享o下，你地有乜野建議，杜絕或減少那些混水摸魚之徒？例如，教會會唔會願意出d證明，講有關o既家長參與教會活動o既情況？學校方面又可唔可以講清楚點樣可以到宗教分？ ...

The Catholic school that I applied for my daughter required the followings:

1. Her baptism cert
2. If it's an overseas one (as in our case), I have to supplement it with my own baptism cert (obtained in HK n years ago)
3. A letter from the priest stating that my daughter has been attending Sunday school

ANChan59

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-4 15:25 發表
我反而想教徒分享o下，你地有乜野建議，杜絕或減少那些混水摸魚之徒？例如，教會會唔會願意出d證明，講有關o既家長參與教會活動o既情況？學校方面又可唔可以講清楚點樣可以到宗教分？ ...

Just copy my response from another thread -

"由政治正確及意識形態爭論後，回歸實際操作。

我孩子出生後約6-7個月，在基督教教會參加"嬰兒奉獻禮"而非浸禮，目的是父母在會眾面前承諾願意按聖經教誨，教育子女，牧師作祝福然後簽發"嬰兒奉獻禮"證書。到報小學時，附上"嬰兒奉獻禮"證書，再由主任牧師寫推薦信"核實"父母為基督徒或者同一宗派(按申請學校要求)。可能學校都知道有部份家長弄虛作假，部份只承認自己宗派及要牧師核實。

對天主教及其他宗教程序不了解，希望其他有宗教背景家長補充。"

If my son is holding a non-local Baptism cert., from now on, I will attach his and my passport to verify our stay in the country for some time with brief explanation of the reason of stay. Overseas posting in other country or studying.

My personal Baptism cert is from UK as studied there.

I just address a point that the fake baptism cert is not a new thing. But a kinder orchestras the whole fake baptism process is a brand new "business" initiative. So no need pointing the finger to the churches and schools, they have some guidelines to counteract those fake documents.

Interesting, most parents raised this question are non-believers. So......

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BBTWIN

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-10-4 12:38 發表
同意。既然教會有權決定是否給這5分，亦應有責任確保這5分給得其所，特別是確保是給予真正擁有相同信仰者，而不單是"同宗教的證明文件"。

既然外國有法例嚴懲假結婚來取得居留權，香港也應有機制杜絕只為求5分的"假信仰者" ...

十分同意

thomasha

我反而想教徒分享o下，你地有乜野建議，杜絕或減少那些混水摸魚之徒？例如，教會會唔會願意出d證明，講有關o既家長參與教會活動o既情況？學校方面又可唔可以講清楚點樣可以到宗教分？

Unclejt

原帖由 ziyi 於 10-10-4 14:09 發表
...相反,如果平衡得到,唔會出現改變學校教育理念,我絕對讚同,因可對更多不信的人傳揚福音...

從另一面看，教會學校並不單有傳福音、令學生信主的責任。也須為已信主的孩子提供一個合適的成長環境...

ANChan59

原帖由 ziyi 於 10-10-4 12:43 發表
先不要說那5分宗教分(我是某一堂會受浸,但不是聖公會的,所以我去我的dram school - 協恩是沒有加分,只有15分)
但有一些唔信的家長,希望小朋友入到這些學校後,卻要求學校減少宗教的課堂,減少任何宗教的活動
因為他或 ...

現在可能多d人明白點解陳樞機主教反對學校法團制度，無喱頭整班非教徒家長改變學校的教育理念。