York - 太多負面news (太陽報頭條)

vincenthkg

http://the-sun.on.cc/cnt/news/20100930/00405_001.html

真係乜人都有, 連咁洗禮都有"速成課程"?!

fion_yinyin

真係好多謝你--- 一個真正用家的分享

babyboysngirls

Being an EX york parent, I would like to give some of my comment to York.

1) It is true that York is a very commercial school and everything is $$...!!  But parents have own discretion whether to join.  My daughter only joined the Cambridge in the whole KG  despite they offer quite many courses.   They are quite " primary style" starting from K2 so the kids usually pick up P1 quite well.

2) The academic level is good and children are enjoyed school.  They have their own way to teach English and children do enjoy to learn the language.  In fact, they are quite open in taking up new challenges. It definitely sounds crazy to send a four yrs old kids to China to take the Cambridge but at least they have heart to do so.  If you do not mind to pay, they offer many opportunities for your kid to take up different international courses and believe most of the KG do not have.

3)  Believe the family of the principal are all devoted in this Business and always wanted to make the KG a very famous one.  To circumstance, they make it.   However,  their way of introducing that sometimes so extreme and not every parents accept.  They are always money first and their frequent new messages that of course require money to achieve.

4) I am disappointed with what have happened recently on York.  Being a responsible school, parents should not be encouraged to do something not honest. The worst is that you pay to the school and they HELP you so.  

5) I was happy to see their new campus after my daughter graduated and I thought they have a good start as their son do help them a lot on school development. However, they are too focus on earning money.

Honestly, I don't believe all the so called certificates unless those are renowned one.   Most of P1 interview do base on how your kids present and the fluency of speaking.  Most of the famous school hosts the interview in Cantonese and surprisingly most of the kids are not doing so good in it as parents usually focus the training in English nowadays.  Don't expect the interviewers would ask complicating questions, sometimes only your daily life and do group games.  Remember, a polite and cheerful kid is always the welcome one.

Afterall, there are always good school and bad school in different parents eyes.   Kids only spend three hours in school , so the real school is HOME.  Parents are always the key persons to help our kids to grow up in a positive way.

I hope the incident may help York to review their school management deeply as parents are not stupid.  They need to do something to rebuild the confidence to the parents.  York existing parents, don't give up..!!

Christi

約克再揭聘導師教慕道班                                        2010年10月03日-appledaily                                                                                 
【本報訊】天主教「入教」的慕道班導師，一般不受薪教授課程，但被踢爆未經天主教堂區批准而擅自開慕道班的九龍塘約克教育機構，竟公然在天主教香港教區的官方刊物《公教報》刊登廣告，以時薪 200元高價招聘導師，被一名堂區主日學導師發現後向教區投訴，招聘廣告即消失得無影無蹤。

慕道班導師向不收費轄下有三間幼稚園的約克教育機構，舉辦慕道班斂財，即使校方推說是借場地予「家長團體」開課，但事件越揭越臭。於天主教堂區擔任主日學導師多年的黎小姐，約半年前於《公教報》上看到約克刊登廣告招聘一名慕道班導師，「最奇怪係佢畀 200蚊時薪，咁我哋一般係唔收錢，咁高人工，咪去應徵睇吓佢咩葫蘆賣咩藥」。

黎小姐指約克開辦募道班前，未曾與堂區聯絡，因此她才故意應徵「放蛇」，並獲校方安排面試，其間對方隻字不提會向學生和家長收費。她發現校方胡亂安排課程內容，「佢一早有晒要教嘅課程內容喺手，但係用嘅音樂就好似係基督教音樂」。她其後向校方查詢為何開辦相關課程，對方指希望課程能給予家長歸屬感，「等佢哋開心」，另一方面家長亦表示無意去其他堂區上課，所以「借出場地」讓家長學習。她於是向天主教香港教區教理中心投訴，招聘廣告即消失得無影無蹤。

約克將擅自開辦慕道班的責任，推給一直沒有現身的家長團體，但校方始終未能解釋為何交費支票抬頭是寫給校監馮禮城及校長馮譚淑賢兩夫婦與另一人合組的公司「永貴國際」。

校方將責任推給家長約克自稱是名校，有曾在該校任職人士透露，馮氏夫婦自 80年代初搞幼稚園，捉住家長對追捧英語教學心態，「賣點係主要用外籍英語教師，又去第二處訂香港唔常見功課紙畀學生做」。校方頗多收費項目，如學生畢業相和 VCD；但另方面教師流失大，「早期只係月薪四千幾請人」。約克校方昨未有回覆本報查詢。

fion_yinyin

JustAFather 你eq比我高，我係呢方面要向你學習。

但其實唔係我想take it personal在先。身為york家長，見到york校長做左一樣咁傻既野而且有hard feeling，仲俾人拉落水將個責任推埋俾家長，我至會出聲反抗。如果唔係件事就會越講越臭。

希望其他討論人仕理性及客觀分析事實，不要任意在無實證前講其他人的不是。

JustAFather

fion_yinyin ma,

I won't take it too personal in internet board discussion because anybody can say whatever they like and usually not in a respectable way.

One thing is sure is that York Principle has to be condemned for not being carefully enough to consider the consequences, shall her 'business plan' fail.  She should have lawyer or someone to comment on such a plan whether it is legal, at least.  She pushed too hard in these years.  They had provided extra courses like the english test Cambridge (and some others I can't remember the name), SAT 10, EPGY etc 3 years ago when my small-boy son graduated.  We thought these courses are OK because my son could benefit from the learning and still got CERTs as bonuses.  Still, we would have attended courses offered by other centers if we didn't take Yorks, anyway.  My big-girl is now in K3.  She only takes those English courses.

There are always '既得利益者' in any system especially in P1 admission.  '弱肉強食' They are the lion and we are prey.  York might have 300-400 K3 students (I'm not sure), with this incident they could easily overtake us under this crappy points system, or even in DSS/Private schools because they thought York's name is finished.  

Sadly, we only have 10 basic points, we can only target DSS or private school or wait for the lottery.  But I still believe school headmasters are not fool, they treat each child alike and they select carefully if they can see them.

Every parent should not de-focus in their P1 campaign (We didn't change a bit with these bad-news).  
Your child need more time from you so kiss and hug them more.  And don't waste too much in these boards.

Really hope that all parents find good school for their children.

fion_yinyin

我支持以上兩位既講法。就算家長有問題都係最後俾左錢參加既家長就問題，而唔係其他就讀york or 考慮過york既家長都有問題，請參與討論的人仕搞清搞楚。

milk_milk

學校其實真的不應開班叫家長咁做, 我本身不是教友, 如果我為了小朋友多5分入讀心怡學校, 我都對唔住自己良心。

不過我知道真的有家長去比萬幾蚊去菲律賓領洗, 為我是5分, 家長都不應該猜咁樣的心態, 比你入到你都唔光彩。

fion_yinyin

「因為今次事件發生後,  真不知日後考小學會否對該校未來畢業生有否影響. 因為小學選取學生. 除了成績外. 也很顧及家長教育及家庭理念是如何的.」

難道怡家讀緊york既小朋友就唔洗考小學咩？york既其他家長就唔會諗「小學選取學生」既條件咩？若真係你只叫k1申請者「衡量該校是否仍要選擇」，我好肯定你係到傳遞一個"對york唔係正面既訊息"law。呢d唔關「忠言」唔忠言事，而係你將家庭理念同學校理念完全重疊咁黎討論，對我地已經選左york既家長好唔公平。

再者，唔係下下都要一字一句明明白白咁話人地，人地只可以理性地反抗既。中學學習中文時老師都有教閱讀技巧，睇文章係睇成段意思的。逐字逐句係到解釋無話邊d"部份"家長前，都係睇返自己既段意同文章主旨至好咁肯定。

而且唔好咁容易將個波推返俾人，「忠言」唔一定係逆耳的。況且之前好多york家長都講到明唔支持校長用錢黎搞宗教活動，我地根本就唔需要你黎提供意見law，我地york家長﹙我重申一次我無俾錢去參加x道班﹚有足夠既智慧同道德水平去衡量呢件事係岩定係錯。當然呢個forum既原意係俾各人好自由地發表意見，但亦請尊重別人，要將做錯事既責任分得清清楚楚才好﹗

JustAFather 同queeniewingchow，你地同唔同意？

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C.K.K.K

學校肯定有間題, 但...肯參加嘅家長道德觀都有問題, 為了5分, 咩都做得出

ysnmama

你有沒有看清楚我說"部份"家長? 部份是指有到公海或有給錢學校洗禮那些. 你沒有做. 就不是那"部份"家長. 不用對號入座.

我亦沒說家長貪婪之類. 我只說校長一向太商業. 弄得現在變成貪婪事件. 她要家長給錢作宗教分. 根本這些不用付錢的. 這不是貪婪是什麼?

你亦有沒有看清楚我說是"投考來年K1的家長. 若知道校長是如此理念. 要衡量該校是否仍要選擇. 因為未有宗教分事件前. 極其量仍可說商業. 那麼你孩子在此事前已入讀. 你們沒選擇, 我並沒有說以前及現家長. 但日後未入的. 是否應為孩子的印象分好好選擇?

坦白. 我們大家也是家長. 明白子女學業的重要. 大家一向咬牙切齒地說只是校長的所為. 連累了孩子及家長. 再者我們並不是受害者. 根本可以不理會. 可能大家也太多事了. 通常忠言逆耳.

原帖由 fion_yinyin 於 10-10-2 16:26 發表
「但部份家長卻不能責無旁貸吧. 因為你們可能真的有買校長的"理念". ...................來年申請K1的家長. 自己當好好衡量. 因為今次事件發生後,  真不知日後考小學會否對該校未來畢業生有否影響. 因為小學選取學生 ...

JustAFather

To all who read this thread, especially York's parents.

I don't think there is any problem with my kids studying in this kindergarten.  My children learnt a lot positively from York, and they like this school very much.

When they came back home, they would talk about the teachers, the classmates and the school, all cheerfully and they could complete their homework and assignment with us proactively.

This is an ordinary school with 'super' aggressive management styles.  I didn't join these 'plans'.  I think parents have their ability to judge whether to join or not.  We train our kids with our home rules and it is our responsibility to teach them what is right or wrong, and not mainly from the school.

We do not feel guilty or sad to let our children to continue their study in this school.  And we will put all our effort to let them apply for any good primary schools, as before.

Remember it is US (parents) to educate our child, not others.

queeniewingchow

係呀!!! 其實由頭到尾都係校長嘅問題, 講下講下由比人話埋d家長, 就算校長有咩新攪作, york家長都有去"消化", 唔係佢賣你就去買ka ma, 你地要明白今次參加嘅家長係因為校長話係正途去做先會join law, 但係就講到d家長知都去支持校長咁, 咩理念唔理念, 學校個理念就係網址有得睇, 就算個校長今次錯錯錯, 我都唔覺得會教壞d學生, 你最多話佢掛住搵多d錢, 一樣有家長覺得佢比好多選擇家長簡, 令到小朋友可以提昇智能, 讀緊又唔代表buy"佢"嘅搵錢理念, 家長都有責任教自己小朋友, 至於考小一我都有講過如果你去小學, d老師唔會諗你係"果間"學校出黎, 諗你個小朋友會唔會學校長"講大話, 咩不擇手段"(有心人講嫁)ka ma, 就算之前不斷有唔好嘅說法, 咪一樣有畢業生考到好學校, 係唔係呀!!!
仲有其實校長都唔係白痴, 攪得簡佈會都明知會有人講出去, 咁why佢仲要有咁嘅諗頭呢, 明知揚出去就一定開唔到班嫁啦(仲要關於宗教), 大家又有冇諗過呢, 唔通佢估所有家長都冇人信教嘅, 所以大家唔好你一句我一句, 關於e件事就等monday學校點解釋先啦.
都係果句, 其實你唔想比小朋友讀未唔讀羅, 唔好講d hurtful說話羅.  

原帖由 fion_yinyin 於 10-10-2 16:26 發表
「但部份家長卻不能責無旁貸吧. 因為你們可能真的有買校長的"理念". ...................來年申請K1的家長. 自己當好好衡量. 因為今次事件發生後,  真不知日後考小學會否對該校未來畢業生有否影響. 因為小學選取學生 ...

fion_yinyin

假設york畢業小朋友既英文水平高一d，我諗除左升學外，應會終身受用吧。始終小朋友0-6歲是學語言的黃金時期。

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fion_yinyin

「但部份家長卻不能責無旁貸吧. 因為你們可能真的有買校長的"理念". ...................來年申請K1的家長. 自己當好好衡量. 因為今次事件發生後,  真不知日後考小學會否對該校未來畢業生有否影響. 因為小學選取學生. 除了成績外. 也很顧及家長教育及家庭理念是如何的.」

言下之理即係小朋友讀york既家長都係「貪婪, 不道德」？校長搞鑊甘甘地既又關我地呢d家長咩事？唔係真係有人信校長話今次係「家長組織」搞掛？

唔通報york就有錯咩？我地york既家長﹙我無報任何咩咩x道班﹚已經係呢件事上面叫做係受害者，唔通讀親york既家長就係貪婪？唔讀york既家長就一定聖人同超級大好人？世紀"完"人？

唔通唔凟york就一定視那5份為浮雲？唔通淨係york家長至緊張5分至不擇手段？

我係york家長，我無報d咩咩同宗教有關既班。但我深信在此事上，其他人要對我們這班家長公道同公平一點﹗
*1,000

[ 本帖最後由 fion_yinyin 於 10-10-2 16:36 編輯 ]

maglam1985

原帖由 ysnmama 於 10-10-2 10:00 發表
同情約克家長. 子女的學校會有如此的校長.

但身為家長真不能口裡只說它是商業. 但也算不錯

校長的商業角度很高亦很大. 已經跟原本私校需要賺錢的角度背道而馳. 已經不能只用"商業"去形容便可. 當中包含 ...

我絕對同情約克的家長和學生, 我相信沒有人會看扁約克的學生, 只有對你們有一個過份歛財的校長校監搖頭歎息!

我以過來人講吓個人觀感(我個子已經係初中生), 我相信每個讀完幼稚園的小朋友一定可以係幼稚園學到好多嘢, 因為呢個時期嘅小朋友學嘢特快, 但如果講讀完某啲標榜英文超勁嘅幼稚園又如何, 除非你入國際小學, 唔係嘅話大多數小朋友讀小學時, 已經忘記哂好多係幼稚園學好息相關艱深嘅字, 呢個已經有調查實證, 好多幼稚園教過份深奧嘅英文字其實冇太大意義。
除非你讀私校或直資, 否則以而家計分制或電腦派位制, 幼稚園時英文叻叻都唔係咁大幫助!

不過一個願打, 一個願捱, 無話可說, 只好寄予同情, 送上無限祝福。

好奇想問吓約克出嚟嘅學生係咪全部都可以入讀名校小學? 有冇人統計過, 抑或係校長自吹自擂??

ysnmama

同情約克家長. 子女的學校會有如此的校長.

但身為家長真不能口裡只說它是商業. 但也算不錯

校長的商業角度很高亦很大. 已經跟原本私校需要賺錢的角度背道而馳. 已經不能只用"商業"去形容便可. 當中包含貪婪, 不道德及欺騙.

學生成績有多好. 能考多少名校, 英文多超班. 在這事件上, 真的變成更重要嗎?

現就讀的沒路可行. 亦期望孩子不會受任何影響. 好好努力. 因罪不在學生. 但部份家長卻不能責無旁貸吧. 因為你們可能真的有買校長的"理念".

來年申請K1的家長. 自己當好好衡量. 因為今次事件發生後,  真不知日後考小學會否對該校未來畢業生有否影響. 因為小學選取學生. 除了成績外. 也很顧及家長教育及家庭理念是如何的.

原帖由 OSCAR-SHIRLEY 於 10-10-2 01:58 發表
York的家長唔洗灰心！其實York係商業左但都唔算差，最少的小朋友都學到野！我識的york出身的小朋友成績好好，仲考到好好的學校！我個小朋友依家讀得不知幾開心！(最緊要呢樣)。但係呢单野，校方做錯左，唔該唔好卸膊！！！
ps,希望K3的同學 ...

shootingstar

今日睇報紙, 想不到連基督教也牽涉在內,

"第一類課程針對欲入讀基督教學校的家長，他們可支付數百元修讀「道理班」，完成課程後小朋友將可獲得指定基督教會如浸信會、中華基督教會等的證明，有助入讀教會轄下學校。" (Source: 蘋果日報)

OSCAR-SHIRLEY

York的家長唔洗灰心！其實York係商業左但都唔算差，最少的小朋友都學到野！我識的york出身的小朋友成績好好，仲考到好好的學校！我個小朋友依家讀得不知幾開心！(最緊要呢樣)。但係呢单野，校方做錯左，唔該唔好卸膊！！！
ps,希望K3的同學仔争氣，考到間好的學校，報答你的父母，叻俾睇扁人' 果班人'！！！

phoebe-lily

囡囡讀的時候, 都有收交呢樣費果樣費... 感覺都唔係禁好.
現在直頭係走火入魔, 覺得好離譜. York 自身的優點, 不要被校長為了錢攪到衰曬.