Adnormal Phenomenon between Position in Class and Position in Form

heidikl

I noticed a very adnormal phenomenon of Position in Class vs Position in Form for my son's form.  In my son's class, the #3 in class is the #3X (middle part of the 30) in the form. The #7 in class is not even in the Top50 in the form. For my son, his rank in the class is the same as last year but in form is also dropped. Then, I heard from other class, the #8 in class is #2X (very early part of the 20) in the form (for her case, her rank in class is improved by 1, the rank in form is significantly improved. But of course, it may be due to herself hardworking).

I didn't study Statistics but I was 6Sigma black belt before. If we do a hypothesis to test if the 2 classes  are the same, I think there is high confidence that the 2 classes are not the same.
So, I have a question if the students were randomly assigned in different classes. I assume it is. If so, why we come out this situation??

- If the teachers of my son's class didn't teach so well relatively so that their academic result dropped relative to other classes? (Personally I don't believe so and I don't want so.)
- If there is big variation in the marking scheme?? (seems this could be the reason)

I hope the school can study this and at least give our parents some explanation on that and if there is some area to be improved. I understand that we should not pay too much attention in the marks and the rank (my son himself doesn't care about that), but at least as a parent, I want the kid to be fairly assessed and we can better understand his progress.

I wonder if I should reflect this to the school? Any suggestion??

heidikl

Extremely busy for the past 2 months and so no time to chat here. Thanks for everyone opinion.
My son is in P.2. I guess this phenonemon may be due to the randomness and it may be due to some marking scheme difference among different classes. Having said so, I think it's not a big deal in lower classes as it will not affect their Secondary school allocation or future.
I'm glad to hear that in the upper classes, there is 1 teacher marks the whole form paper for those critical papers, like composition, then I think it will be fair and it does matter.

原帖由 bkman 於 10-2-11 03:48 發表
如果你D資料係無錯， 我同意你說法。 因為TSL從2003-2004年開始已經無精英班。 以前有無我就唔知。 03/04年開始， 每班都係從全級第一名開始派入A班， 全級第二名派入B班， 全級第三名派入C班。。。如此類推， 然后全級第六名 ...

bkman

如果你D資料係無錯， 我同意你說法。 因為TSL從2003-2004年開始已經無精英班。 以前有無我就唔知。 03/04年開始， 每班都係從全級第一名開始派入A班， 全級第二名派入B班， 全級第三名派入C班。。。如此類推， 然后全級第六名又派入A班， 第七名派入B班。。。。 所以基本上每班的學生成績， 都係好平均， 都係從最好排起。 所以理論上全班排名在頭10%的學生， 在全級也應該係排名全級頭10%之內, 當然會有多少VARIATION, 不過應該唔會好大, 大到好似你所講。 所以我建議你跟學校了解一下， 我都想知點解 （其實係8下， 嘻嘻）。 謝謝。

P.S. SORRY~~~ 我忘記問你小朋友幾年級, 如果係P.1, 我以上解釋就唔啱,  因為P.1每班的成績可能好參差, 你說的現象有可能發生。至于每班的排名和級排名， 應該係以成績表的總平均分排列的。 同學與同學之間的參差， 有可能做成你說的情況。 個人理解， 唔知啱唔啱。

原帖由 heidikl 於 10-1-30 22:53 發表
I noticed a very adnormal phenomenon of Position in Class vs Position in Form for my son's form.  In my son's class, the #3 in class is the #3X (middle part of the 30) in the form. The #7 in class is  ...

[ 本帖最後由 bkman 於 10-2-11 05:31 編輯 ]

angelprincess

我都冇話有相, 自作聰明 不過遲啲應該有相放上學校個website度.  到時再相認啦~

原帖由 DaddyCool 於 10-2-5 14:52 發表


有呀有呀, 之不過係冇相片 ga 喎......

DaddyCool

原帖由 angelprincess 於 10-2-5 13:46 發表
TINGMUM,

我地同啲小朋友一齊努力加油!

x 2

DaddyCool

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 10-2-5 12:57 發表
angelprincess,

係呀, 其實在bk同級p5的, 我地小朋友都互相認識, 所以我地呢個team有好大的back up!

係呀, 因為就算今年唔同班, 可能之前已經試過同班, 又或者明年會同班, 所以我地互相打氣啦......:D

DaddyCool

原帖由 angelprincess 於 10-2-5 11:53 發表
其實係一本8-10頁紙嘅書仔, 學校自己整嘅, 有哂每一group啲隊員名, 仲有每日嘅活動係做啲乜.  可能你呀女已經掉咗lu~

有呀有呀, 之不過係冇相片 ga 喎......

angelprincess

TINGMUM,

我地同啲小朋友一齊努力加油!

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 10-2-5 12:57 發表
angelprincess,

係呀, 其實在bk同級p5的, 我地小朋友都互相認識, 所以我地呢個team有好大的back up!

TINGMUM

angelprincess,

係呀, 其實在bk同級p5的, 我地小朋友都互相認識, 所以我地呢個team有好大的back up!

angelprincess

TINGMUM,

我都懷疑係咪其實唔同班, 因為上次同個家長pm, 佢好似話佢個小朋友同你嗰個同班, 但係佢個小朋友就B班, 但係我地兩個小朋友嘅班主任都姓Pun. 不過唔緊要, 大家都係5年班, 只不過係隔離啫, 況且可能我地兩個小朋友都識大家嘅, 你知啦, 學校咁多活動, 隔離班都可以互相照應, 我地都可以互相關照, 大家同坐一條船嗎~  我諗我地會傾得愈來愈多, 因為大家嘅小朋友就嚟要呈分啦, 我地要互相支持呀!  

原帖由 TINGMUM 於 10-2-5 11:50 發表
angelprincess,

我一直以前我地囡囡同班, 而家先至知唔係! 原來P5係有兩位MISS PUN!  

angelprincess

其實係一本8-10頁紙嘅書仔, 學校自己整嘅, 有哂每一group啲隊員名, 仲有每日嘅活動係做啲乜.  可能你呀女已經掉咗lu~

原帖由 DaddyCool 於 10-2-5 11:00 發表


點解我呀女話冇 camp 簿o架...............

TINGMUM

angelprincess,

我一直以前我地囡囡同班, 而家先至知唔係! 原來P5係有兩位MISS PUN!  

DaddyCool

原帖由 angelprincess 於 10-2-4 15:57 發表
我個女都係bor~  佢嗰班好似加埋佢都係得兩個女仔去leadership camp 咋.  返去 check 番本 camp 簿仔, 咪知道你係邊個同學仔嘅 daddy lor~  又搵到個失散多年嘅兄弟啦~  原來大家都係同坐一條船.  


...

點解我呀女話冇 camp 簿o架...............

angelprincess

Bluestar,

Thank you.

原帖由 Bluestar 於 10-2-4 19:53 發表


P5 class = P6 class

Bluestar

原帖由 angelprincess 於 10-2-4 14:42 發表
不過我淨係知道今年我地五年班係冇分嘅, 但係六年班就唔知有冇啦.  以我所知, 如果係分嘅話, 以前就會由五年班開始就已經分架啦~

P5 class = P6 class

angelprincess

Principal,

我都係同你講笑咋!  唔講邊有得笑呢?  學Silvia話齋, 輕鬆d啦~  

原帖由 principal 於 10-2-4 16:23 發表
DaddyCool,

Very sorry ...................... just kidding!!  

Please edit your reply immediately.   

P.S. : Please keep your handsome image of "三哥", instead of "fortune ...

principal

DaddyCool,

Very sorry ...................... just kidding!!  

Please edit your reply immediately.   

原帖由 DaddyCool 於 10-2-4 16:18 發表



principal, 咁使唔使相擁痛哭俾你睇呀........... (呢個 icon 似唔似哨牙通???)

[ 本帖最後由 principal 於 10-2-4 16:50 編輯 ]

angelprincess

Principal, DaddyCool,

我覺得呢個 icon 有啲似啱啱比人拉咗嘅 '陳米通' 呀!   我地又離題啦!  不如返去'吹水站' 再傾lor  ~  

原帖由 DaddyCool 於 10-2-4 16:18 發表


principal, 咁使唔使相擁痛哭俾你睇呀........... (呢個 icon 似唔似哨牙通???)

principal

angelprincess,

Very sorry!!   Just kidding!!   

P.S. : please edit your reply immediately.  

原帖由 angelprincess 於 10-2-4 16:09 發表

Principal,

你呢個樣 又會令人誤會架啦~  我地只不過係失散多年嘅兄弟,  唔想又多一次比人鬧呀~  

DaddyCool

原帖由 principal 於 10-2-4 16:02 發表
angelprincess & DaddyCool,

Is there any feeling of “相逢恨晚”??

principal, 咁使唔使相擁痛哭俾你睇呀........... (呢個 icon 似唔似哨牙通???)