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有冇弘立小學媽咪

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發表於 04-9-6 09:48 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

I am a  弘立 dad, not mum.  Here is my 2 cents.

My wife and I do not really like the teaching method used by most local schools.  And we have ruled out most local schools.  We sent our girl to Small World Christian Kindergarten two years ago.  A good move, I have to say.  Our experience with Small World reinforced our belief that learning can and should be fun.  As we were not considering local schools (with the exception of HKUGA Primary School or one or two others), there are not really many choices.  Last year, a close friend of mine sent his boy to 弘立.  Through him, I got to know other 弘立 parents.  My wife and I also had a chance to have a detailed discussion with the ex-principal Felicia Tsang.  We also attended a presentation by the students.  Things that we saw and heard impressed us.  In Oct or Nov last year, we got offers from 弘立 and an ESF school.  We finally chose  弘立.  The main reason being - having spent two years at Small World, our girl had become less than willing to use Chinese.  And we did not want to enter into an endless struggle with her about learning Chinese.  From what I saw in the students’ presentation, all those little boys and girls who did not know a thing about Putonghua became able to speak very well Putonghua after attending 弘立 for less than a school year.  Some could easily make you believe that Putonghua was their mother tongue.  I am very impressed with the language policy of 弘立.  The school official language is English and Putonghua.  With P1 and P2 students, the school use Putonghua as the only media of instruction in all classes except of course English classes.  Putonghua is used a mother language, not taught as a second language.  Cantonese has no place whatsoever in the school (for examples, kids have to speak either Putonghua or English to collect their lunch box, in PE, music and drama classes).  More English is used with P3 and P4 students.  When the kids reach P5, they will find themselves in an almost exclusively English environment.

Our girl started school on 16th August (all new comers started some two weeks earlier).  It is too early to tell, but I am so far happy with the school.  The school does not have book lists.  All the teaching materials are prepared by the teachers and provided by the school.  Some parents may not feel comfortable with the idea of not having a formal book list, but I love that.  Why should we be bound by a fixed, inflexible curriculum?   Many people may think that activities-based learning is too “relaxed”.  NOT SO.  The kids are encouraged to do a lot of reading.  They also have to write Chinese and English journal and to do book commentary on regular basis.  There is a lot of work for both the kids and their parents (in my case, I have to spend time reading with my girl, polishing my Putonghua, learning violin … who said raising a kid is an easy job?  But I love that job)

As to students/teachers ratio, it is the school policy that there should never be more than 24 or 25 kids in a class.  Very often the class is divided into two or three small groups, individually attended by different teachers/teaching assistants.  As I understand from my girl (you can’t take that very seriously), there are 8 kids in her English sub-group.  It should be noted that the school uses a home room system rather than the traditional class system.  Let’s say my girl may have English class with P2 students, Putonghua with P1 students, drama with P1 – P3 students etc.

If you want to send your boy or girl to  弘立, be prepared that things are not very organised at the moment.  After all it is a very new school.

I am aware that some parents are interested in 弘立.  Will post again when I find out more about it and have more to share.

Regards,
warrrren


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發表於 04-9-7 09:12 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi Che,

English should not be a cause for concern.  It is very commonly used at school and most of the kids speak sufficiently well English.  The school also encourages the children to read a lot of books, both English and Chinese.  The fact that the school uses Putonghua as the major media of instructions with P1 and P2 kids does not mean that English is treated as a second language.

I am not sure I understand your question about the prospect of the graduates.  If you are talking about secondary school, in two years' time there will be an ISF secondary school that will accept all the ISF primary school students.  The IB curriculum that ISF uses is recognised by almost all local and overseas universities (as I understand it, quite a number of local and international schools and moving towards IB).  It is of course too early to say how well the kids will do in public exam.

The construction of the permanent campus in the Cyberport area is scheduled to be completed in 2006.  I do not know whether the schedule will be met.

Regards,
warrrren

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發表於 04-9-7 09:59 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Dear friends,

I have received quite a number of private messages from a few of you.  Many parents are concerned that their kids do not speak Putonghua and are afraid that their boys or girls will not do well in the interview.

I cannot speak on behalf of the school but can tell from my personal experience that the school does not expect the kids to know a thing about Putonghua.  The interview that my girl attended took a very relaxed form.  The children were divided into three or four small groups and taken to the classrooms on the upper floor.  Parents were not allowed to be present (we were asked to go or wait in the cafeteria and return in two hours to pick up the kids).  The children were told a story and asked a few questions about the story, and told to do some body moves and draw some pictures, and so forth.  The interview was not much different from a day in a kindergarten.  The best advice that I offer is this - calm down and relax.  The kids will feel the pressure if you are too nervous.  Giving the kids a short term intensive Putonghua training is in my view counter-productive.

I am afraid that I cannot give any useful advice on the rate of success.  My general impression is that the success rate is not that bad compared to that of other better known schools.

Regards,
warrrren

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發表於 04-9-7 10:08 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi warrren,

Thanks for the detailed sharing about ISF. As seen from the school site, there is a financial assistance scheme for students. Do you know about the criteria of such programme?

Thanks a lot.

Cristal

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發表於 04-9-7 10:17 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi Warrren,
I am also interested in the school, but a bit concern of the follwoing:
1/ The fee, of course, is very expensive. If, for some reason, I cannot support it financially in the future, I am worry about what I can do? Is it possible to transfer my daughter to other local school (eg when she is in Form 1)? Since its academic arrangement is so different from locals...and comparing with Yiu Chung, what make you choose ISA?
2/ They just change the headmistress. The present headmistress seems so much different in profile from Mrs. Tsang. Do you have concern about this? And did it mean something change in the school's future policy?
3/  My daughter is now in P.2, and she would be joining p3 if I apply this year. Would it be too difficult to adjust herself to a Mardarin speaking enviornment for a P3 kid?

I am sorry to ask you so many questions but I really want to hear opinions from a parent there.

Thanks so much!

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發表於 04-9-7 12:04 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi Myjewel and Cristal,

I do not really know how the financial assistance scheme works.  Just email the school and ask.  I'm sure someone will deal with your questions.  To my knowledge, submitting a financial assistance application will not prejudice your kids' chance of success.

The school fee is of course not cheap.  But, how much are people spending on outside school English and Putonghua classes nowadays?  A good Putonghua course (such as the courses offered by Earth Village) will cost you $1,500 a month, and a good English course may cost you another $1,000 or likely more.  Adding the costs of a few other classes such as drawing, dancing and music, I guess it is not uncommon that people are spending $4,000 or more on top of regular school fee.  ISF does offer a range of activities.  The kids have Chinese, English, maths and "guided discovery" classes in the morning, and PE, Chinese martial art, dancing, drama, music, painting and other activities classes in the afternoon.  All these activities classes are part of the curriculum, not extra-curricular activities, and are conducted in either English or Putonghua.  You may well rely on the English and Putonghua programme offered by the school and take your kids out of some of those expensive privately run activities classes.  That can save you quite a lot of money.  Also remember that the school fee include all teaching materials and costs of field trips etc.  The only extra costs are school bus and meal.  The ISF model is indeed an expensive one (high teacher/students ratio, activities based ...)  But for the donations secured by Professor Kao Kuen, the school would be running at a loss with its present population (Professor Gao told me that in a parents teachers meeting).

It is a shame that the school hasn't updated their website.  Mrs Dorothy Chan was there for a few months to fill the gap left by the leaving of Ms Tsang.  The present primary school principal is a lady from Canadian International School.

There are P2, P3 and P4 students joining ISF from other local students.  I understand from the teachers that they take no time to adjust to the new environment.  Kids can learn really fast.  I wish I were like them.

As for Yew Chung, I do not know much about it as I have been concentrating on schools on the island side.  Why we did not choose other international schools?  My wife and I did at one time seriously consider sending our girl to an ESF school.  And we also like HKUGA (to a certain extent ISF is like a mini HKUGA).  Let me tell you a story, my wife and I were once interviewed by the principal of a well known school.  At the very end of the interview, I asked the principal about the school bus arrangement and I got this (in exact wordings), "weeeeell, our kids come in their own cars, driven by their own drivers.  Even if they don't have a home driver, their non-working mums will drive them to school".  What the hxxx was that?  I'd seen their school buses a few times, on the road, with 6 or 7 kids in it, and driven by someone whom I did not believe was the kids home driver.  Sending my girl to one of those most "privileged" schools is likely to bring out some cultural or social conflicts.  I don't want my girl ask me "Dad, why don't you drive a Mercedes?", "Should we not move to a house with internal staircases?" (these are actual questions that an innocent young boy asked his father, who is a doctor at a government hospital).   I have a bias against certain schools.  But, as it is nothing but a personal bias, I should not detail it.

Regards,
warrrren

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發表於 04-9-7 14:09 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Dear KC,
Most grateful for your help.

Cristal

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Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Thank you KC. Please keep us posted when you have further information.

Regards,
myjewel

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Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi KC, I just wonder if you have compared Victoria primary and ISF? I am considering Victoria too, the two school seems quite similiar in profiles.
Parents from Victoria can share their views too.

  
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Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

I really don't know anything about Victoria Primary.  I have very briefly looked at the other thread.  Sounds interesting.

One thing to clarify - I have been talking about P1 interview.  For P3 or up applicants, I understand that the applicants will be asked to submit a questionnaire.  Not sure whether they will be interviewed individually.

Regards,
warrrren


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Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

warrrren ,

I agree with you that some of the very famous schools are very commercial.

May I know the school fee of 弘立?

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發表於 04-9-9 09:28 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi DoReMiKa,

It is $9,500 x 10.

Regards,
warrrren

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發表於 04-9-9 09:51 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Dear warrrren,

Any debenture needed?

Regards

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發表於 04-9-9 09:58 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Hi wewangwang,

Parents can elect to subscribe to a $100,000 debenture, which is fully refundable, or pay an annual levy of $10,000.

Regards,
warrrren

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發表於 04-9-12 02:51 |只看該作者

Re: 有冇弘立小學媽咪

Warren
好高興聽到你對弘立的意見。我自己去過他們的開放日﹐對他們的value認同﹐所以都想把小朋友放在那裡讀書。 尤其是我對學中文的堅持。
- 另外﹐請問你有沒有比較過弘立同CIS (chinese Int'l school)呢﹖(希望你講那間priviledged school 不就是CIS吧。)
-還有﹐我以為HKUGA只是一間普通小學(我對HKUGA一點認識都沒有)﹐跟弘立又怎樣比較呢﹖
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