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發表於 04-12-5 11:18 |只看該作者

MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

MCS or DGJS-This dilemma has recently surfaced for me. Although offers of places are not released from DGJS until later this month, I am hopeful that my daughter has achieved the necessary requirements that are sought by DGJS. At the meantime, she was fortunate enough to have received a place in MCS through the first round lucky draw.

I wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up. I have to stress here that this is just my opinion! From the above, you would think that it would be a no-brainer, just go to DGJS if accepted!

I also have a younger daughter who this week was accepted St. Catherine's for their K1 classes next year and here is where the dilemma starts:-

1. The process in preparing my older daughter for the DGJS interview was, from what I observed, very stressful for her. I would not want to have my younger daughter go through the same experience.

2. If my older daughter was offered a place at DGJS and we accepted, that would negate the younger daughter's entitlement of entry into MCS through having a sibling at the school.

3. The situation would worsen, if rumours are correct, that the government will take away the 10pts for parents that are old girls in 2006/07.

I am looking for opinions from other parents regarding this dilemma and would appreciate very much any input.

Many thanks.

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發表於 04-12-5 14:12 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Are you sure that your daughter will be accepted by DGJS? Otherwise, no need to worry at this stage.
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發表於 04-12-5 21:44 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

The choice is DGJS:

point 1 : you considered DGJS is the best school in HK;

point 2: you considered your girl will be accepted by DGJS,  but you said your girl was stressful during the process.  A bit contradictory because if you think your kid is stressful, she might not perform to her best in the interview.  Anyway, why not choose the best school.

point 3: you get a younger kid.  She will also bebfit form her sister being accepted by DGJS.

point 4: IT IS YOUR CHOICE.  


MY FEELING IS YOU ASRE OVER WORRIED.

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發表於 04-12-5 21:48 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

如果令千金真係第一round入到MCS,相信除左大女外,一定有宗教分,甚至係有舊生分添。
咁我的忠告就係-----唔好"叛教",同埋對母校要有"本心"。

希望你唔需要對你所說的"dilemma"吧!

:wink:  :wink:  :wink:

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發表於 04-12-5 21:58 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Spkrs 寫道:
MCS or DGJS-This dilemma has recently surfaced for me. Although offers of places are not released from DGJS until later this month, I am hopeful that my daughter has achieved the necessary requirements that are sought by DGJS. At the meantime, she was fortunate enough to have received a place in MCS through the first round lucky draw.

I wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up. I have to stress here that this is just my opinion! From the above, you would think that it would be a no-brainer, just go to DGJS if accepted!

I also have a younger daughter who this week was accepted St. Catherine's for their K1 classes next year and here is where the dilemma starts:-

1. The process in preparing my older daughter for the DGJS interview was, from what I observed, very stressful for her. I would not want to have my younger daughter go through the same experience.

2. If my older daughter was offered a place at DGJS and we accepted, that would negate the younger daughter's entitlement of entry into MCS through having a sibling at the school.

3. The situation would worsen, if rumours are correct, that the government will take away the 10pts for parents that are old girls in 2006/07.

I am looking for opinions from other parents regarding this dilemma and would appreciate very much any input.

Many thanks.


Interesting, considering that the DGS-MCS rivalry is sort of like the DBS-LSC rivalry (at least in the old days - nowadays no one care apparently).

You said you were worried about the abolition of the 10 points for old boy/old girl.  Therefore you must be a Maryknoller.  You are, however, not the first Maryknoller to send (or consider sending) her girl to DGS.

You may also have the 5 points for being a Catholic (though I am not sure, because with 10 points for being an old girl you may still get in).

As Mrs Tom said, if u are a Maryknoller why do u not send your girl to MCS?  Has the difference in standards between the two schools become so big now that the "old girl syndrome" has no effect?

  

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發表於 04-12-5 23:00 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

If you think DGS is 5-10 year ahead of any ohter school, then you have no choice but trying your best to "push" your two daughters into it.

By the time other schools have the chance to catch up with DGS, your elder daughter is already 15 years old and she will be one of the top students of HK!

In other words, if you let your elder daughter to study in MCS, she needs 5-10 years to have a chance to achieve the "DGS level", even if DGS keeps wehre it is from now on!

I think your dilemma is not MCS - DGS, but try DGS - not try DGS. Once you get a place at DGS, you will "close your eyes and rush into it". Am I right?

anxiousparent 寫道:
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Spkrs 寫道:
MCS or DGJS-This dilemma has recently surfaced for me. Although offers of places are not released from DGJS until later this month, I am hopeful that my daughter has achieved the necessary requirements that are sought by DGJS. At the meantime, she was fortunate enough to have received a place in MCS through the first round lucky draw.

I wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up. I have to stress here that this is just my opinion! From the above, you would think that it would be a no-brainer, just go to DGJS if accepted!

I also have a younger daughter who this week was accepted St. Catherine's for their K1 classes next year and here is where the dilemma starts:-

1. The process in preparing my older daughter for the DGJS interview was, from what I observed, very stressful for her. I would not want to have my younger daughter go through the same experience.

2. If my older daughter was offered a place at DGJS and we accepted, that would negate the younger daughter's entitlement of entry into MCS through having a sibling at the school.

3. The situation would worsen, if rumours are correct, that the government will take away the 10pts for parents that are old girls in 2006/07.

I am looking for opinions from other parents regarding this dilemma and would appreciate very much any input.

Many thanks.


Interesting, considering that the DGS-MCS rivalry is sort of like the DBS-LSC rivalry (at least in the old days - nowadays no one care apparently).

You said you were worried about the abolition of the 10 points for old boy/old girl.  Therefore you must be a Maryknoller.  You are, however, not the first Maryknoller to send (or consider sending) her girl to DGS.

You may also have the 5 points for being a Catholic (though I am not sure, because with 10 points for being an old girl you may still get in).

As Mrs Tom said, if u are a Maryknoller why do u not send your girl to MCS?  Has the difference in standards between the two schools become so big now that the "old girl syndrome" has no effect?

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發表於 04-12-5 23:37 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Where did you hear this rumor from? My younger son is 6 months now and I really count on the parents' 10 pts in order to have him entered to my alma mater.

3. The situation would worsen, if rumours are correct, that the government will take away the 10pts for parents that are old girls in 2006/07.

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發表於 04-12-6 00:03 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Is it really a dilema? If you feel that DGJS is the best school in HK, why not let your elder daughter study there. Actually, I don't think that it is really a dilema until 22nd of December this year.
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發表於 04-12-6 08:17 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

I also don't think there is a dilemma now as the result of DGJS is not yet known.  No one can be so sure if the girl will be accepted unless you are the school principal.  
The rumours of taking away the parents' 10 points by 06/07 is not heard anywhere, where does it come from?

I believe the most important thing in choosing the right school is to understand if the culture and education approach of the school is matching the kid's character and preference.  If wrong match, the kid will suffer in the whole school life.  Younger sister may not necessarily follow elder sister to join the same school as they have different characters and interests.  I will apply the same principle of matching to search for the "best fit" school for my kids as much as possible.

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發表於 04-12-6 08:33 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

說得好,補充一句︰係真先算啦!!!

mrs_tom 寫道:
如果令千金真係第一round入到MCS,相信除左大女外,一定有宗教分,甚至係有舊生分添。
咁我的忠告就係-----唔好"叛教",同埋對母校要有"本心"。

希望你唔需要對你所說的"dilemma"吧!

:wink:  :wink:  :wink:

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發表於 04-12-6 09:54 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Spkrs,
I have the same feeling that DGS is the best girl's school as a result of the student's allocation method.  I've heard from my kid's phonics class teacher that the Eng standard in MCS has dropped and I observed from my elder daughter that the same applies to St. Mary.
However, I don't think DGS is the only school to success.  You have to note the ability of your kid and the time you have to help her.  I heard negative comments on DGS as well that kids there are not happy because of the competition and pressure on every aspect, sports, music, etc.  I know a friend having her kid in DGS that fail in every subject including art.  She's never happy.
MCS is already a dream school for a lot of parents. If you want to pay save for your younger daugher, I think it's already a very good choice.  Religion is also a big consideration, if you are a  catholic, you should choose a catholic school.

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發表於 04-12-6 11:57 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

I also think that it is not a dilemma unless you get the seat from DGS. But it is worth to think about it before result comes out and also happy at this moment as your daughter already get the seat in MCS.
But I am curious about what  you said:
"wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up." Can you explain more so who are interest can discuss more?

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發表於 04-12-6 13:10 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

我覺你應考慮為

mcs 上中學只有頭 80 名(全級計),其他會倪都倪唔到入反去架

dgs 呢你讀就比足十三年錢但唔使在升中一時再擔心 !

Msma

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發表於 04-12-6 13:30 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Thank you all for the quick replies, they were most enlightening. I am new to this discussion forum and am pleasantly surprised by the sincerity and willingness to help shown by the community here.

There are a few points brought up in the replies that I like to expand upon or clarify.

1. Regarding the rumour of the 10pts that are currently awarded to children of ex-students. I heard from a friend who recently had dinner with an ex-headmistress of a prominent local school.

2. Concerning the few replies that questions why worry about the dilemma now, when only one part of the equation exists, as the DGJS results are not known until later this month. Well to be honest,  taking a 5 years old girl to the DGJS interview is not exactly rocket science, its just a numbers game. I would imagine most parents would have a fair assessment of their daughters chances provided research was taken into what the DGJS' criteria were. With this in mind, along with the actual interview on the day, I think one can comfortably predict the outcome.

3. TATNAT writes, "you considered your girl will be accepted by DGJS, but you said your girl was stressful during the process. A bit contradictory because if you think your kid is stressful, she might not perform to her best in the interview."
-The stress derived was from peer pressure, relatives, teachers and also my daughter's lack of understanding in the situation. She did not understand why all the adults around her started talking about primary schools. Why teachers started saying that when they go to primary schools they had to be more independent. Why she had to move to another school when she loved the one where she was at. Why her school friends will not all go to the same school. It was a stressful period for my daughter as she was very sad and extremely sensitive most days. It took about 5-6 weeks to resolve but way before the run up to the interview. I wanted to share this with other parents as it was indeed a depressing period for any caring and loving parent.

4. I totally agree that religion does need to be factored in, over and above the "old girls sydrome". My daughter attends Sunday school and thoroughly enjoys the teachings and the environment.

All in all, I think j-ma-ma hit the nail on the head(thank you very much!), as it boils down to whether I wanted to play safe with my younger daughter's schooling.

Once again, thank you all very much for the replies and also for reading my rantings.

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發表於 04-12-6 14:22 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Spkrs,

having read what you said , I am most interested in your interview preparation work for DGJS . Your article sounded that you seemed to have grasped the success key  to it !

Would you mind sharing with us ?


Back to your question, I see some parents here have already pointd out the following facts :


1. have to consider your second daughter's security of being admitted into MCS under the shadow of 10 old student points MAY be cancelled in 2007 !


2. MCS secondary now only accepts the top 80 students from its own primary schools  !
but DGS ( changes to DSS next year) theoretically can accept all its own primary students !


3. Religious reason : It  is obvious that one should not give up one's religion because of education path !


I would also like to add that :

4. MCS will have to face one dragon system & should make the decision before mid-2006 !

5. New F1 allocation system will be released early next year , MCS will be affected under the new system if it chooses not to join one dragon system !


Conclusion :

1. MCS will be 100% safe for your younger daughter ( provided that the 10 points for old girls will not be cancelled ) but may not be 100% safe for the elder one when she is promoted to F1 if MCS does not choose to join the one dragon system !


2. DGJS will be quite safe for your elder daughter to be promoted to F1 of DGS but not 100% safe for the younger one to enter DGJS !


However, given the fact that you seem to have got the success key to DGJS interview, I don't see why you should worry too much about your second daughter's chance of being accepted by DGJS !

Hope this will help !


Look forward to your sharing with us of the success key to DGJS interview !

thank you !

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發表於 04-12-6 14:43 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

由 redapple 於 2004-12-06 11:57:32

"But I am curious about what you said:
"wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up." Can you explain more so who are interest can discuss more?"

I think as doting parents, we want the best that is available for our children. We all hope that our children goes on to university and beyond. However, since the 1980s having a university degree is not good enough for the top firms or professions as It has become getting a "degree from a top university". With this realisation early planning is a pre-requisite. Better schools allow more choices for top universities.

One can look at the academic, musical and sports achievements of DGJS and then go on to the high numbers of students that leave DGS and attends top universities globally. This is the dream! I am not discounting that other local schools does not have students going on to top universities, but its is the high numbers that DGJS/DGS attains that is most impressive. Also by having such numbers, top universities would be accustomed to receiving such applications from DGS and expectations that the students are top quality material. These are the reputations that DGS has built and that take other schools years to accomplish. So being amongst the top 20-25% at this school literally qualifies you entrance into a top university. Whilst at other schools, you will probably have to be in the top 2-3%.

On a more practical note, I was discussing about primary schools with my "tong" brother who is a barrister and he said that amongst the barrister community you could immediately tell who are the graduates of DGJS/DGS as their spoken and written english was so far ahead of people who graduated from other local schools. I am talking about graduates who are from the local schools/universities.

These are some of my thoughts as to why DGJS/DGS is the predominant school in Hong Kong.

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發表於 04-12-6 14:57 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Spkrs

I don't think you need to worry not until the results are released.  My daughter applied for DGJS last year.  I also thought my daughter would make it because when my husband and I were waiting outside the interview room, I heard the principal laughing happily during the interview with my daughter.  I also considered my daughter fulfilled the criteria, and we prepared quite well for the interview.

I also faced a "dilemma" last year as my daughter was accepted by another reputable DSS school before DGJS announced the result.  But, I felt relieved when I received the result last year, as I did not need to make such a difficult decision.  Now, I consider the school she is now attending, can provide a more enjoyable and happly school life for my daughter.

So, sit back and relax!

Regards,

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發表於 04-12-6 16:59 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

Spkrs,

I am a mother of a 2 years-old girl and am a bit far away to consider about primary education at the present stage.  I am attracted by those quality discussion and do not intend to feed back until I read about......

I want to share my mind that...
If your elder daugther is smart enough to get a seat in DGJS, she must be very hard working during the whole course of preparation.  Why should she sacrifice her effort and play safe for her younger sister ? By result, she worth to enjoy the quality education in DGJS and build up her knowledge and personality under DGJS's environment. (Based on your presumption and preference that DGJS is the best)

Having a caring and loving mother plus a talent sister, your younger daughter will probably enter DGJS also.  What make you so confident on your elder daughter's ability but not the younger ?

By the way, I am very interested that why you are so confident for the DGJS's result, does your elder daughter now studying in CCKG ?

kikimon


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發表於 04-12-6 18:20 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

I'm not sure about how girls/women would rate the "old girl syndrome" among other factors. As an old boy from one of the reputable boys' school in HK, I am sure to have my son entering my alma mater instead of the "enemy" school even though the latter might be more "attractive" after changed into a DSS. The thinking of "giving the best to the children" is understandable and respectable, however, if the two schools aren't lightyears apart in terms of their quality, I would still prefer to be loyal to the alma mater, which gave me uncountable fond memories (some of those might be cultivated during the battles between the "foes" from the competitor school) which I wish my child could experience by himself during his important adolescent years.

Spkrs 寫道:
由 redapple 於 2004-12-06 11:57:32

"But I am curious about what you said:
"wholeheartedly believe that DGJS is the best school in Hong Kong, irrespective of whether it is a girls, boys or co-ed. It is so far ahead of other schools that if it were to stay stagnant in its achievements, it would still take the other schools atleast 5-10 years to catch up." Can you explain more so who are interest can discuss more?"

I think as doting parents, we want the best that is available for our children. We all hope that our children goes on to university and beyond. However, since the 1980s having a university degree is not good enough for the top firms or professions as It has become getting a "degree from a top university". With this realisation early planning is a pre-requisite. Better schools allow more choices for top universities.

One can look at the academic, musical and sports achievements of DGJS and then go on to the high numbers of students that leave DGS and attends top universities globally. This is the dream! I am not discounting that other local schools does not have students going on to top universities, but its is the high numbers that DGJS/DGS attains that is most impressive. Also by having such numbers, top universities would be accustomed to receiving such applications from DGS and expectations that the students are top quality material. These are the reputations that DGS has built and that take other schools years to accomplish. So being amongst the top 20-25% at this school literally qualifies you entrance into a top university. Whilst at other schools, you will probably have to be in the top 2-3%.

On a more practical note, I was discussing about primary schools with my "tong" brother who is a barrister and he said that amongst the barrister community you could immediately tell who are the graduates of DGJS/DGS as their spoken and written english was so far ahead of people who graduated from other local schools. I am talking about graduates who are from the local schools/universities.

These are some of my thoughts as to why DGJS/DGS is the predominant school in Hong Kong.

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發表於 04-12-6 20:23 |只看該作者

Re: MCS or DGJS- a parent's dilemma

I can assure you that there are no secret keys to success in gaining a place at DGJS, although I wish there were. I am just taking a logical and analytical approach to the whole process.

I approached the interview in a similar way to that of a job interview with a major international corporation. The interview lasts 5-10mins, 3-4 questions and two girls at a time. I ask myself, how can the Headmistress make a valid decision based upon the above factors? Especially since she was quoted in an interview by a local newspaper on the day that application forms were handed out by the school, that no profiles should be sent in as they will just be thrown to the dustbin and it would be a waste of resources.

With the above as background information, it was time to analyse what the school wanted as students?
There are 105 places, I think priority will go to daughter/grand-daughter of people in high political office, then captains of industry, perhaps famous entertainment stars, followed by 20-25 places for CCKG students and then children with connections. I made an estimation of 65-70 places left for allocation to parents like ourselves. Actually for P1 2005 entry, it is quite a favourable since many parents wanted "Dragon" sons and daughters. From these estimations we are looking at a 3-4% chance of success.

Next is to imagine what the ideal girl for DGJS in the Headmistress' opinion. I came up with a girl that posesses the following; independence, discipline, good manners, etiquette and finally good communicational skills.

As the recent buzz-theme for young children during schools interviews globally are in the areas of compare and contrast, observation skills and communicational skills, we focused our preparation for our daughter in these areas through game play.

Other details worth noting are:-
1. I have never seen the Headmistress photographed not wearing a business suit, so I made the presumption that business attire was most appropriate. Also I was told beforehand that she does look carefully at the accompanying parents.
2. Trend towards stay at home mums.
3. My daughter's posture during the interview.
4. Answering in full sentences.

Finally and most importantly, in my opinion, is to provide the right type of incentive and motivation for your daughter to perform well at the interview. We had thought, out of the box, on this element of the process and it truly worked in our favour. This little secret I will keep to myself.

So why am I so confident that my daughter did extremely well because she exceeded my wildest dreams of my expectations for her. During the day, she showed signs of nervousness on the way to the school, but once we arrived all the nervousness disappeared and she was eager to attend the interview.

She was smiling going into the interview, and smiling when she came out. Her first question to me, when the interview finished was, why had it ended so quickly as she was enjoying it so much? She was able to tell me the whole interview process, on the game she played first, to the question that was asked and her reply and finally described the two pictures she was asked to compare and contrast and then list out the answers that she had given. In addition, she was also able to tell me that the Headmistress was taking notes during the interview and also the fact that it was a red pen she was using to write with.

I wanted to share with fellow members of this forum, the above analysis and also the performance of my daughter on the day as they are the fundamental reasons behind my confidence in her attaining a place at DGJS. I would welcome a critique to the above and whether my confidence is unfounded.

Many thanks.




  


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