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教育王國 討論區 小學雜談 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?
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選校兵法 子女太早入學有害? [複製鏈接]

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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?



要學好一種語言,只有一個途徑:就是多使用。
我們平常使用廣東話的機會實在太多了,不爭取在學校裡學英語/普通話,應在那?

你希望你的子女選擇以上那個學習模式呢?

母語教學 包括在家吃飯看電視全日語言使用比例:
廣東話94%  英語4%  普通話1%

普通話及英語教學 包括在家吃飯看電視全日語言使用比例:
廣東話46%  英語26%  普通話29%

你又會怎樣調整在家裡使用的語言呢?

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WYmom 寫道:
[quote]
happy-b 寫道:
政府的母語教學是混蛋,倡使普通話教學才是正路,放棄偏重廣東話的所謂兩文三語,兩文兩語(普通話及英語)才是正路,建議廣東話只可作輔導語言。
明白現在沒有足夠普通話老師,但我們應在老師普通話培訓方面加大力度,而不是胡亂硬推母語教學,使用非主流的廣東話而放棄世界中文主流普通話作主力教學。

香港教育學院鄭燕祥也提出,目前政策肯定要改革
目前的教學語言政策,遠遠落後於香港發展形勢,使絕大多學生及社會在未來10至20年於大中國地區及全球的競爭中,處於極不利位置,肯定需要改革。主因有二﹕
第一,全中國都不是推行母語教學,而是用普通話教學,讓口語和書面語最有效配合,就算廣東省也不用廣東話教學。回應中國崛起之大形勢,應有長遠策略逐步在中小學發展普通話教學,而非強制迫令絕大多中學進行廣東話教學,讓口語與書面語分離,成為全中國學習中文或以中文學習的最差地方。香港天主教區67所小學,計劃今年9月新學年由小一起以普通話教授中文,非常有遠見。
第二,香港要進一步提升國際金融中心地位,鞏固作為中國對外最重要窗戶,不受其他城市代替,英語教育應成為香港學校的核心部分,學生以英語學習而走向世界的能力,就成為個人及社會未來發展的最大資產。因此,不應強制絕大多中學成為廣東話中文中學,妨礙個人及香港的未來發展。
簡言之,普通話英語雙語教學應是香港要逐步推行的主流教育,而非所謂母語(廣東話)教學


I agree that for HK, English/ PTH bilingual education is important for catering our needs in future.  However, recently heard from a talk by Prof. Lung from Taiwan, she said that Cantonese is a very rich language by itself, Cantonese culture is very valuable, and HK is very rich of Cantonese culture.  We should be proud of our own culture, continue to keep and develop the best of it instead of discriminating our mother language.

I feel that she is right.  We can express our feelings best in our own language.  So while we work hard to learn good English/ PTH, we should also keep our own culture and language.  This is the same as people in other countries whose mother language is not English.

Language should be learnt as early as possible, of course not by "feeding-duck".  Now a lot of kinders have used very lively way to teach, the kids can learn the language naturally.  Yet it is usually not done so well in primary schools. :-| [/quote]

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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?

趙生引述別人提出的 [A概念], 有幾位網友表示從沒聽過  [A概念]而且認為  [A概念]是錯的, 正確的應該是 [~A] (在羅輯學 ~ 代表非).

我上網找到一些語言學家, 醫生, 教授的訪問支持  [A概念]

網友之後表示 香港情況不同於大陸及台灣, [A概念] 不適用於香港. 又表示我列出來的LINKS, 發表者不是專家. 我再看看那些內容, 有大學英文研究所副教授, 有中科院院士, 也有專門治療 [太早學外語引起後遺症] 的兒科醫生. 如果認為他們不是專家, 或者認定他們是配合政府政策的宣傳工具, 我無話可說. 我那些links是用 [太早學外語] 在 YAHOO 尋找到的. 如果我懂得把[太早學外語] 翻譯為正確的英文再在 YAHOO 尋找, 相信也會找到歐, 美國家的文章.

就算我找到歐, 美國家支持 [A概念]的文章又怎樣? 幾分鐘之後也會有網友表示 香港情況不同於歐洲及美國, [A概念] 不適用於香港. 不過這些都不重要. 我回應此文, 不是支持或反對[A概念], [~A概念] 因為我也不知道 [A概念]或是 [~A概念]比較適用於我孩子, 而是提出 : 自己不知道的事, 不等於不存在. 而我很慶幸自己沒有一味否定別人的意見. 我承認一樣有很多語言學家, 醫生, 教授支持  [~A概念]


p.s. 幾個月前我讀過生果報副刊左丁山所寫一篇典故, 題目是 [殺君馬者道旁兒], 看完之後嚇出一身冷汗. 如果把該典故套用在今天, 便是子女小小年紀, 才藝出眾, 入水能游, 出水能跳, 鋼琴8級, 英文說得像外國人一樣流利. 這樣的小孩子, 好不好 ?當然好. 人見人讚, 間間學校都搶住收. 做父母開不開心 ? 當然開心. 為人父母將會更加鞭策子女奮勇向上, 更上一層樓. 各種獎狀, 獎杯滿屋都是. 得到親友的讚賞, 小孩子更是光榮...
回頭說左丁山的文章, 結局出人意表. , 我被嚇得從此不敢用華麗的詞語稱讚別人的小孩, 因為我不想做其中一位道旁兒. 至於我的小孩表現平凡, 平時略加鼓勵便可. 我已經飽受驚嚇, 無理由再要大家受嚇, 因此就不寫結局出來了.


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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?

I agree too.

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stccmc 寫道:
roader-A

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1. 香港的報紙版面 [寸金呎土], 不見得會刊登外國的研討會內容. 自己不知道的事, 不等於沒有存在
//

你所引的只是幾遍台灣報紙稿, 不是甚


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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?

roader-A 寫道:
幾個月前我讀過生果報副刊左丁山所寫一篇典故, 題目是 [殺君馬者道旁兒], 看完之後嚇出一身冷汗. 如果把該典故套用在今天, 便是子女小小年紀, 才藝出眾, 入水能游, 出水能跳, 鋼琴8級, 英文說得像外國人一樣流利. 這樣的小孩子, 好不好 ?當然好. 人見人讚, 間間學校都搶住收. 做父母開不開心 ? 當然開心. 為人父母將會更加鞭策子女奮勇向上, 更上一層樓. 各種獎狀, 獎杯滿屋都是. 得到親友的讚賞, 小孩子更是光榮...
回頭說左丁山的文章, 結局出人意表. , 我被嚇得從此不敢用華麗的詞語稱讚別人的小孩, 因為我不想做其中一位道旁兒. 至於我的小孩表現平凡, 平時略加鼓勵便可. 我已經飽受驚嚇, 無理由再要大家受嚇, 因此就不寫結局出來了.


A super child is good, glory??  I doubt it.  I somehow feel that there is always loss while we gain.  Personally I won't expect my child to be super, above average is good enough.  So what is the ending of the story you have read?  Mind telling us?

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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?

左丁山好像是說投資的,[殺君馬者道旁兒]的典故中,馬兒最後死了。

我也很想知道那個小小年紀, 才藝出眾, 入水能游, 出水能跳, 鋼琴8級, 英文說得像外國人一樣流利的小孩子,結局怎樣。

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Re: 選校兵法 子女太早入學有害?

See what they say about early second language learning!


ARTICLE 1 ……….

Learning a second language "boosts" brain-power, scientists believe.

Researchers from University College London studied the brains of 105 people - 80 of whom were bilingual.

They found learning other languages altered grey matter - the area of the brain which processes information - in the same way exercise builds muscles.

People who learned a second language at a younger age were also more likely to have more advanced grey matter than those who learned later, the team said.

Scientists already know the brain has the ability to change its structure as a result of stimulation - an effect known as plasticity - but this research demonstrates how learning languages develops it.

The team took scans of 25 Britons who did not speak a second language, 25 people who had learned another European language before the age of five and 33 bilinguals who had learned a second language between 10 and 15 years old.

The scans revealed the density of the grey matter in the left inferior parietal cortex of the brain was greater in bilinguals than in those without a second language.

The effect was particularly noticeable in the "early" bilinguals, the findings published in the journal Nature revealed.

The findings were also replicated in a study of 22 native Italian speakers who had learned English as a second language between the ages of two and 34.

Lead researcher Andrea Mechelli, of the Institute of Neurology at UCL, said the findings explained why younger people found it easier to learn second languages.

Impact

"It means that older learners won't be as fluent as people who learned earlier in life.

"They won't be as good as early bilinguals who learned, for example, before the age of five or before the age of 10."

But Cilt, the national centre for languages, cast doubt on whether learning languages was easier at a younger age.

A spokeswoman said: "There are conflicting views about the comparative impact of language learning in different age groups, based both on findings and anecdotal evidence."

However, she said it was important to get young people learning languages in the UK.

Only one in 10 UK workers can speak a foreign language, a recent survey revealed.

But by 2010 all primary schools will have to provide language lessons for children.



ARTICLE 2 ………

The benefits of early language learning

By Masarah Van Eyck for Madison Newspapers

Ask associate professor Jenny Saffran when a child should begin to learn a second language and she'll tell you that exposing newborns is not too early. Saffran, who studies how infants learn languages in the Department of Psychology and Waisman Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, says that kids learn a good deal about language even before they learn to talk. "At eight months, twelve months," she says, "babies have learned a tremendous amount about their native language." In fact, newborns show a preference to the rhythms of their mother's tongue over all others, implying that they can distinguish their native language straight out of the womb. Additional language acquisition begins immediately after birth. The benefits last a lifetime.

Children who have a grasp of two or more languages enjoy intellectual and social advantages throughout their lives. They are better problem solvers. They perform better on aptitude tests later in life. Multi-lingualism also fosters an international perspective, allowing for a better understanding of one's own culture as well as others. This translates into job opportunities and even, argues the National Network for Early Language Learning (NNELL) Web site, improved global relations. In an open letter to congress, NNELL asserts that early language learning is "imperative for national security," and cites a study that finds the Departments of State and Defense and the FBI suffering from "an acute shortage of language professionals within their ranks."

National security aside, multi-lingualism breeds tolerance. As Irene Geller Lugassy, associate professor of French in the Division of Continuing Studies at UW, asserts, early language learning exposes children "not only to a different language but also a different culture, and it encourages their understanding of diversity. That's something that's always needed," she adds. Learning a foreign language offers benefits at any age, of course, it's just easier to master before puberty.

Part of the reason why children more easily learn languages is simply the fact that, well, they think like kids. "[Children] absorb language and they love language," says Geller Lugassy. Because they are more playful, they end up learning languages indirectly through games and songs.

Thor Templin, a graduate student in the Department of German and the Department of Scandinavian Studies at UW, agrees. Templin, who has taught German to children from five to 14 years of age, says kids are less afraid to make mistakes. "With adults there's always that moment of hesitation where they're trying to process the grammar," he observes. "Adults have this problem where they want to know everything right away."

A lack of self-consciousness isn't the only reason why children easily absorb languages. While the physiological mechanisms of language acquisition are not well understood, one theory suggests that the brain is more malleable or plastic when we are young. Saffran likens the brain to real estate that hasn't yet been developed. As we learn, the brain becomes colonized and, once colonized, is harder to change.

As UW professor of psychology Mark Seidenberg explains, by the time our command of our first language is very good, usually by five or six years of age, our brain has lost the flexibility or plasticity to absorb others as easily. By pre-pubescence, around eight or ten years of age, learning languages becomes significantly more difficult.

Yet, Seidenberg maintains, children older than five have not necessarily missed a golden opportunity. In fact, he argues, younger children are still so occupied with straightening out the world that they have plenty enough to discover. By five or six, on the other hand, kids know more, such as the objects to which words are referring, yet they still retain a "voracious capacity to learn."

Moreover, the factors that contribute to language acquisition are not entirely biological. Other issues, what he calls "social circumstances and motivation," are crucial. These include the amount of support an individual receives while learning a language, the degree of exposure to the language (immersion, for example, accelerates language learning at any age), and whether or not that exposure was in an isolated and limited community. Of course, individual cases also vary due to what Saffran calls simply "talent."


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我們不是要super baby ,早學多種語言,只是因應兒童成長吸收特性。
我們說的早學是開心的學,遊玩的學,不是填鴨式的學。特別是語言,只要教導得法,幼兒吸收極之容易,對他們來說更加


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絕對有關,因香港對拼音讀音長期忽視,形成老師的讀音也慘不忍聽,母語教學更加使英語普通話雪上加霜,你們算一算我們說英語普通話的比例全日不超過5%,大部份的時間更是聽,要說英語普通話的比例可能全日<1%,在母語教學下要發音正確真是難上加難。
中國,台灣,星加坡也從來不用母語教學,她們都各自有不同的方言母語,但中文教育就一定用普通話。

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stccmc 寫道:
happy-b,

//
Z讀成 ” 易zed ”
//

唔關聽覺事,

"易set"
"egg 廚"
"呀勞"
"Wee"
"得,B,U"

等等以前我讀書時老師係咁教架, 肯定唔係我聽錯

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《孩子的多語言訓練》

根據華盛頓大學的學者派翠克.庫爾的研究發現,人類學習語言的「知覺地圖」在一歲前已經形成,一歲之後,神經細胞已無法區別語言中不重要的(非母語)聲音,這個發現解釋了為何人類在學會母語後才開始學第二種語言會如此困難。

《兒童的大腦》

語言:在新生兒的世界中,先有聲音而後有文字。英文中,有些音位(phoneme)如尖銳刺耳的ba和da的音,拖長的ee掇和ll掇,以及發絲絲音的 sss掇。但日文的音卻不同,有吼叫的his,融合的rr/ll掇音。當孩童重複聽見某個音位時,他耳中的神經細胞便刺激聽覺皮質,形成緊密的連結。「這個知覺地圖」(perceptualmap),華盛頓大學,派翠克•庫爾(Ptrical Kuhl)表示:「反映出不同聲音之間─以及相似處─的明顯距離。因此,說英語的人,其聽覺皮層中對「ra」有反應的神經細胞和那些對「la」有反應的神經細胞相隔很遠。但是對音幾乎相同的日文而言,對「ra」有反應的神經細胞,像洛城高速公路網一樣,幾乎是與那些「la」的神經細胞糾結在一起。因此,說日語的人便不易區辨這二個音。

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stccmc 寫道:
happy-b,

//
Z讀成 ” 易zed ”
//

唔關聽覺事,

"易set"
"egg 廚"
"呀勞"
"Wee"
"得,B,U"

等等以前我讀書時老師係咁教架, 肯定唔係我聽錯


我老師都係咁教,我而家'易鍚'都唔係好讀到,所以我無教個女呢個字母,由得佢跟老師同VCD學

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ChiChiPaPa 寫道:
說英語的人,其聽覺皮層中對「ra」有反應的神經細胞和那些對「la」有反應的神經細胞相隔很遠。但是對音幾乎相同的日文而言,對「ra」有反應的神經細胞,像洛城高速公路網一樣,幾乎是與那些「la」的神經細胞糾結在一起。因此,說日語的人便不易區辨這二個音。


點只日人, 香港學生大把都不曉.  最近坐巴士就聽倒講"考oral" 變成 "考痾佬".  是老師錯? 還是香港學生的懶音太重?
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