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發表於 13-9-1 01:43 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-9-1 02:04 編輯
CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:18

my opinion is subvention being taken away has nothing to do with their admission requirement ...

Sorry to say, you're wrong on this, the removal of the subvention has brought about 3 radical changes in ESF's Primary and Secondary school admission policy this year:-

(1) The Cat 1 / 2 prioritization is abolished.

(2) At least 70% of their student population must possess foreign citizenship, and they now verify passports.

(3) They now interview both parents to assess the suitability of the family as a whole, previously they only interviewed the child.

When ESF was receiving subvention from the Hongkong government, they had a real or at least a moral obligation to serve Hongkong's general public, regardless of nationality, and they largely fulfilled that by being low cost and non-selective, and indeed, the bulk of their students were HK permanent residents from middle income families.

Yes, there was this Cat 1 / 2 prioritization which favoured children who don't speak Cantonese, causing many Hongkongers to feel excluded, but now I suspect this prioritization was not ESF's own desire but put there by the Hongkong government, so as to minimize the number of Cantonese speaking local children escaping from local education.

Now that the subvention is ceased, ESF no longer needs to do the government's bidding, and surprise surprise, they dropped the Cat 1 / 2 prioritization. They have also said goodbye to their non-selective days and now operate just like any private international school with full control of their admission policies.


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本帖最後由 Mom2One 於 13-9-1 09:01 編輯

Agree with Fattydaddy on his points 1 and 3. I also feel that the cat 1/2 priorities were likely a govt stipulation rather than ESF preference and that the current system of whole family assessment (ie. student and parent interview) better serves its need to determine suitability of the family to ESF schooling.

Regarding point 2 about the 70% foreign passport holder requirement, I believe that is an Education Bureau requirement (as stated on ESF website) and was in place prior to the removal of the subsidy.

Personally I don't necessarily think its a bad thing to raise the application fee if this will serve to reduce the number of applicants by sifting out those for whom ESF is not a serious choice or who do not really have a chance. Nowadays the "herd mentality" of applying to all schools everywhere is really putting a huge strain on everyone, not just the schools but also the applicants.


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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-9-1 09:52 編輯
CapricornO 發表於 13-9-1 09:27
Not totally true.  I have a friend whose daughter only speaks english.  She couldn't get into a loc ...
Please refer to what u said earlier.
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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-8-31 23:23 編輯 \Quote:CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:23
Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality".... it 's just becos some children cannot speak ...

Who are these people and why do the HK government have obligations to serve their education needs? If some of them are HK residents, there are a number of aided schools and DSS who can look after these children, eg TSL, 李. Why does it have to be ESF? If it is not about quality of ESF, there are some IS whose fees are similar to ESF, eg KCIS.

There is nothing wrong with not being able to afford something, right? Not able to afford normal IS, not able to afford DSS, not able to afford a car, not able to afford private medical services, not able to afford a luxurious apartment.


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There are 70 government and aided schools in HK which are registered in EB they are able to support non Chinese speaking children. And there are a number of DSS and private schools who can do that.

No choice?  It is an exaggeration.




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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-4-4 12:28 編輯

Del.

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Del.

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elmostoney  有這種IS的, 我的孩子曾讀過.  發表於 13-9-8 09:49

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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-4-4 12:28 編輯

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引用:+本帖最後由+shadeslayer+於+13-9-1+09:52+

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-09-01 發表
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-9-1 09:52 編輯

Please refer to what u said earlier.
Perhaps it's the quality factor that has left expats with no other choice other than ESF? The government has been telling non-Chinese expats to go to those local / DSS schools with support for them coz these schools are cheaper than ESF and international schools. How is the quality of these support, anyone knows?



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發表於 13-9-1 12:44 |只看該作者

引用:97年回歸前無人會覺得ESF+係無價值,97後,

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
97年回歸前無人會覺得ESF 係無價值,97後,中國藉官員當家作主,就覺得ESF 係多餘。不要忘記,香港法定語文 ...
現今的香港,直資政策提供多一點教育選擇,也受到質疑損害基層利益的時期,你談政府提供 expats 的平價高質英語教育的理念,是自討沒趣。



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發表於 13-9-1 12:45 |只看該作者

引用:而且,本地學校跟本提供唔到足夠的除中文外

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
而且,本地學校跟本提供唔到足夠的除中文外的第二語言,好似法文,西班牙文咁,是不是因為中國藉香港人佔香 ...
有些DSS有法文讀。



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發表於 13-9-1 13:28 |只看該作者

引用:回復+pppwong+的帖子 agree!!+they+just+w

原帖由 CapricornO 於 13-08-31 發表
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agree!! they just want to become a normal profitable international school now.  ...
好難說如何才昰 profitable,間間學校都要睇住盤數,如果不開源節流,學校都可以破產。ESF是大機構,好多人(校內家長,校外人士)會 gup 住。出面好多私校,甚至係不需要向家長交待佢地財務情形。ESF名下太多學校,就算少了資助變私校,相信家長仍然會 gup 到實,我又唔會太擔心。



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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-4-4 12:27 編輯

Del.

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發表於 13-9-1 14:46 |只看該作者
samsam123321 發表於 13-9-1 14:13
有得讀外文,唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所有esf 學生。這同文革破四舊立四新又有咩分別?將舊有行之有效的 ...

esf 幾時有破舊立新?現在的 so called 改變,就要問問班非 esf 家長先喇
esf 由 97 後一路都係咁 run,係出面非 esf 家長話 esf 唔應該有資助,先傾下傾下變到今日的局面
講真,我覺得 esf  呢壇野,d 官唔係個個想搞,因為點搞都會比人鬧
本來好地地,係 d 非 esf 家長塘邊鶴嘈嘈閉

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發表於 13-9-1 15:08 |只看該作者

引用:有得讀外文,唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
有得讀外文,唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所有esf 學生。這同文革破四舊立四新又有咩分別?將舊有行之有效的 ...
點解取消資助英基,變成政府要找到學校收容「所有」英甚學?政府要執左英基咩?

取消資助,人均約缺少了二千多元一個月。萬多英基家庭全部家庭收入拉拉緊?現今香港,如果學費由七千加到九千幾,家庭就頂唔順,咁我只可以說這些家庭計得太盡了。何況,真正邊緣的家庭,我懷疑不是很多。何況有一些平價,收生不是太好的 IS 可選,例如 KCIS, KIS, DELIA。更有官津DSS 可給邊緣家庭選。咁都唔夠?

同文革比,有無咁上綱上線呀。

DSE 是課程改革。課程改革是必須的。舊的 HKCEE and A level 專門填鴨有餘,語文通識不足。改革是要的,只是執行力的問題。



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elmostoney  同意, 好多IS收生不足 (不過KCIS已爆滿連申請表都唔收啦, 但相信KIS呢D有位), 係家長有意揀ESF, 因為始終係大牌子  發表於 13-9-8 09:56
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-3-20 20:05 編輯

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發表於 13-9-1 15:33 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 13-9-1 15:36 編輯
samsam123321 發表於 13-9-1 15:09
不是,我想指出ESF 有存在價值,其它學校暫時都無能力取替。硬要取替,就只係破壞但無建設。 ...

唔知你想講乜
人多位少,就當然會有人失望
唔通我入唔到男拔女拔又嘈,話村口間學校唔可以取待男女拔?
我係唔係又可以鬧鬧鬧?


你有冇更好的改革建議?還是應該本來唔應該改 ( 不應取消資助 ) ?
其實 esf 家長,或其他國際學校家長一般都冇乜意見,因為大家可以話係 "上了岸"
只係一直都係出面有 d 人嘈
佢地好多係未有 esf 學位,其他國際學校 (就算平過 esf ) 亦未必收
結果就拿 esf 為目標鬧
而家連資助都冇埋,但對未入到 esf 的就可以會更失望
不過當日唔知係邊個嘈,搞到咁?



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發表於 13-9-1 17:49 |只看該作者

引用:+本帖最後由+samsam123321+於+13-9-1+15:10

原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 13-9-1 15:10 編輯

不是,我想指出ESF 有存在價值,其它學校暫時都無能力取 ...
究竟那一方面不能被取代?



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發表於 13-9-1 21:52 |只看該作者
My personal view is that all IS (I know) is overpriced but no choice - 願者上釣. Or the EBD is so crap that we simply have no choice


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