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大眼仔_媽咪

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JP,

Worth or not is difficult to count!  And, it's quite a 'personal viewpoint'.  Piano training is much more difficult than our instruments (I guess!) coz I found it requires for strong coordination on the brain, eye, ear, hands, feet, and the mind ..... (it's really difficult for adult to learn coz the peak training time should be 'young age')  For myself, I think it's worth to train the brain, the kid's persistence, etc.

I also spent quite a lot of my time in helping but not really effective .........(coz I have a boy with 'his own thinking' and I need to spend extra effort in leading him!)  That's the reason why I need your intelligence!

A good teacher - my boy really have a good teacher.  But, what I think is 'he waste the teacher' .  It's too difficult for me to find a 'fit' formula to guiding my boy .........   I still need to find ........

原文章由 JP 於 07-11-21 23:52 硐表
大眼仔_媽咪>>

My elder son isn't very strong in piano in fact! He has been learning piano for some 7 years and he just took his gr.8 piano exam last month.

Good teacher is very important! We have wasted some 5 years before we found our existing teacher!!

I must confess that I've spent much much more time in supervising my boys' piano practices throughout these years and only spent very limited time in supervising their homework/revisions!
I don't know whether it's worthwhile or not as you know piano is eventually NOT counted by YWC and we're forced to learn a second instrument! Fortunately, western percussion is not offensive to my boy and he has determined to further pursue diploma in piano after gr.8!

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原文章由 大眼仔_媽咪 於 07-11-22 00:32 硐表
JP,

Worth or not is difficult to count!  And, it's quite a 'personal viewpoint'.  Piano training is much more difficult than our instruments (I guess!) coz I found it requires for strong coordination ...


大眼仔_媽咪>>

I agree that learning piano is indeed a very good training for kids, esp. boys in cultivating their discipline/persistence/patience/concentration/...! And piano playing, which has a long history and well developed for hundreds of years by many famous composers/pianists, requires very sophisticated skills and musical sense!

Though piano learning is not counted/"respected" by YWC, I myself have no regret at all in choosing piano for my boys. But my puzzle is : if I had spent more time in my boys' homework/revisions/reading, would that be more rewarding/benefical to their development??  

How old is your boy? You mean he has his own thinking/style and refuses to follow his piano teacher's instructions?
Long ago, I discussed with a BK mom ( whose boy is gifted in music) facing similar problems.
My short conclusion is that : if the kid really loves piano, a good teacher should be capable in persuading the kid to follow his/her instructions!

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JAMmama

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原文章由 JP 於 07-11-21 09:56 硐表

小豬媽>>

334講座有fd比左飛我。

昨晚meeting，李校長不停問P6/5 parents : Are you ready to be promoted to S1 via through train?? If you're not ready (i.e. fail or highly likely to fail in any subject of Chin/ Eng/ Maths), you should consider other alternatives!!
林校長補充話小6考試不設補考，亦冇留班，中英數其中一科肥佬就冇得上中一！



我有問題.....(我小孩還小, 唔多清楚升中派位機制!?)

如果真係小六考試肥咗一科, 咁個小朋友去邊到讀中一丫? 唔係一條龍, 就一定升原校中學部ga 咩? 如果書院部唔收, 咁嗰d小朋友從那個基制派位去第二間中學? 我以為只會在小五設關卡, 等唔逹標的小朋友留級, 留到可以啦.....才可以升小六 (又或在小五時轉校), 但小六先轉校.....會有其他學校收嗎?? 那時對這個小朋友會唔會有點殘忍丫  小孩唔逹標, 非一朝一藉的事,那麼學校一定要做足配套去協助這班小朋友, 倘若成績一向都o.k., 只要在小六考試時臨門失手, 淨係一科都夠死啦 咁又點計......??

咁第時係直資的....咁嗰d小朋友又會去邊到丫?  他們還能夠從政府派位派到其他學校ma?!

小六選中學學校年頭的事, 考試在年尾....咁邊到會有人會知道自己考試唔合格要去選定其他中學?

請賜教

[ 本文章最後由 JAMmama 於 07-11-22 14:16 編輯 ]

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Hi JAMMAMA

您好嗎?
做了3 kids 媽咪唔好咁操勞呀, 教育政策日日改, 到你仔仔時可能又有新遊戲規則lu


1)
全港6年級學生都可參加中一派位 (即第一階段自行選2校應考和第二階段統一派位), 一條龍的分別只在於中學部會優先收小學部的學生,

但問題是中學校長所說 : We are ready but are you ready?
如果真係小六考試肥咗一科, 咁個小朋友去邊到讀中一丫? 唔係一條龍, 就一定升原校中學部ga 咩? 如果書院部唔收, 咁嗰d小朋友從那個基制派位去第二間中學?

2)
小六是不會有留班, 因所有學生都會參加中一派位, 他們一定會派到學校, 是不是他們所喜歡又是另一回事。
其實, 校長都說會在小朋友4 、5 年級幫他們 (留班), 但如果到6年級都唔達標
免強上一間英文中學, 對佢發展都不是好事
我以為只會在小五設關卡, 等唔逹標的小朋友留級, 留到可以啦.....才可以升小六 (又或在小五時轉校), 但小六先轉校.....會有其他學校收嗎?? 那時對這個小朋友會唔會有點殘忍丫   小孩唔逹標, 非一朝一藉的事,那麼學校一定要做足配套去協助這班小朋友, 倘

3)
這個exceptional case 我想要問校長啦!
若成績一向都o.k., 只要在小六考試時臨門失手, 淨係一科都夠死啦 咁又點計......??

4)
今年為例, 1月初中學部就要小學部學生是否選一條龍, 所以應該以上學期成績為準
小六選中學學校年頭的事, 考試在年尾....咁邊到會有人會知道自己考試唔合格要去選定其他中學? 唔明....真係唔多明, 究竟發生了甚麼事?





原文章由 JAMmama 於 07-11-22 13:39 硐表


我有問題.....(我小孩還小, 唔多清楚升中派位機制!?)

如果真係小六考試肥咗一科, 咁個小朋友去邊到讀中一丫? 唔係一條龍, 就一定升原校中學部ga 咩? 如果書院部唔收, 咁嗰d小朋友從那個基制派位去第二間中學? 我 ...

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<JAMMama:如果真係小六考試肥咗一科, 咁個小朋友去邊到讀中一丫? 唔係一條龍, 就一定升原校中學部ga 咩? 如果書院部唔收, 咁嗰d小朋友從那個基制派位去第二間中學? 我以為只會在小五設關卡, 等唔逹標的小朋友留級, 留到可以啦.....才可以升小六 (又或在小五時轉校), 但小六先轉校.....會有其他學校收嗎?? 那時對這個小朋友會唔會有點殘忍丫  小孩唔逹標, 非一朝一藉的事,那麼學校一定要做足配套去協助這班小朋友, 倘若成績一向都o.k., 只要在小六考試時臨門失手, 淨係一科都夠死啦 咁又點計......??

咁第時係直資的....咁嗰d小朋友又會去邊到丫?  他們還能夠從政府派位派到其他學校ma?!

小六選中學學校年頭的事, 考試在年尾....咁邊到會有人會知道自己考試唔合格要去選定其他中學?>

Jamma>>
妳好精叻喎,D問題咁到肉！我冇資格/資料賜教你呀！ops:" />

我只可以同妳分享去年升中情况：全數小六學生(除左2位自願考入其他DSS中學)一條龍順利升中,冇人被踢走！

我翻查過政府一條龍升中政策，的確講明小六學生要符合升班要求(即中英數合格)才能一條龍升中。原本尼項要求都好合理ge,冇理由肥佬都照升中啫！:)

去年小六各科程度適中，大家無驚無險升到中學。但而家既趨勢係小學課程"突然"加深，肥佬多左，妳所提既問題就嚴重左喇！

家長會上校長提過小六只睇上學期考試成績(如有錯請其他家長指正)，１月書院面試完小六學生，2月收生放榜，收左不能出龍考/抽其他學校。
我既理解係直資一條龍小學生可以在接受一條龍中學學位前出龍考/抽其他學校。

[ 本文章最後由 JP 於 07-11-22 15:27 編輯 ]

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JAMmama:
以我的理解嘗試去答你的問題:
資助小學的一條龍是由小一入學,中學必須全數接收小學部的學生!
直資學校的一條龍是學校可自訂遊戲規則,以我所知DBSPD,優才都是要求小六學生中,英,數合格才可升上中學部.
現在我們轉成直資,中學有權唔比小學學生升中!
家長會中,林校長話如果書院唔收,(一月中便知道結果)校長會面見家長,商量統一派位的安排(與其他小六生一樣)!<但小五,小六時學生必須要向政府呈分>
其實直資小學是與資助小學一樣程序升中,如陳守仁無中學接龍都是同其他小六生一樣!

我認為如果家長會這一番話是同今年小一的家長講是沒有問題的,因為他們是直資模式入學,但是我們是資助模式入學的(所以我們的兒子是於書院轉直資後仍享有九年免費的優惠),我們當年選英華也是因為書院會全數接收小學的學生才選擇,但現在書院單方面改變遊戲規則,這樣對待我們是不義的做法!何況今年中文突然深了很多,我覺得有點是為難我們!

當年DBS開設附屬小學,與舊小拔脫離直屬關係,都是由當年小一入學的學生開始,直至現在DBS仍要接收舊小拔的7成畢業生,這是道義上的問題!


原文章由 JAMmama 於 07-11-22 13:39 硐表


我有問題.....
如果真係小六考試肥咗一科, 咁個小朋友去邊到讀中一丫? 唔係一條龍, 就一定升原校中學部ga 咩? 如果書院部唔收, 咁嗰d小朋友從那個基制派位去第二間中學? 我以為只會在小五設關卡, 等唔逹標的小朋友 ...

[ 本文章最後由 mayc 於 07-11-22 15:43 編輯 ]

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原文章由 大眼仔_媽咪 於 07-11-21 23:12 硐表
csk,

Thanks for your info.  The assessment for my boy is "cello" but I'm afraid it's too bulky and heavy for me to carry.

木管或銅管 - Yes, what I'm thinking is that it could be of use at the church ...


大眼仔_媽咪

妳的小朋友只是小一，不用擔心升中問題，因為有的是時間！我覺得始終是學業行頭，其他音樂、運動，有時間精神才應付。不過，一定要培養小朋友閱讀的習慣，中、英文書也要看。至於是否學多樣樂器，首先要囝囝喜歡，和找到好的老師他又有時間教才決定吧！

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I think parents need to talk to school about our think  
tonight!!
Because when we chose this school, it is 一條龍學校,
And primary school is change and change, many teachers change, the boys cannot 適應!!(Just my boy, he has two times write 手冊by teacher! But I have not recev'd any call or mail by the teacher! The teacher is alway busy!)
If school said"一個都不能少",but what we feel now??

原文章由 mayc 於 07-11-22 15:28 硐表
JAMmama:
以我的理解嘗試去答你的問題:
資助小學的一條龍是由小一入學,中學必須全數接收小學部的學生!
直資學校的一條龍是學校可自訂遊戲規則,以我所知DBSPD,優才都是要求小六學生中,英,數合格才可升上中學部.
現在 ...

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JAMmama

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原文章由 mayc 於 07-11-22 15:28 硐表
JAMmama:
以我的理解嘗試去答你的問題:
資助小學的一條龍是由小一入學,中學必須全數接收小學部的學生!
直資學校的一條龍是學校可自訂遊戲規則,以我所知DBSPD,優才都是要求小六學生中,英,數合格才可升上中學部.
現在 ...


多謝前輩mayc, JP & Chun100賜教
集合你們三位的資料, 現在明多了! 但依樣有問題, 但我要組織吓, 再問問你們! 因為突然間好亂, 同我之前"以為"的, 差了一截....

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各位家長：
根據網上資料(教育局)無論直資与否只要是一條龍中小學，中學是有責任收所有小六學生！所以書院這次做事方法實屬有問題！
原文章由 JAMmama 於 07-11-23 13:17 硐表


多謝前輩mayc, JP & Chun100賜教
集合你們三位的資料, 現在明多了! 但依樣有問題, 但我要組織吓, 再問問你們! 因為突然間好亂, 同我之前"以為"的, 差了一截.... ...

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如果學生中英數有吾合格，上到書院都未必係好事喎

原文章由 shinning 於 07-11-23 17:11 硐表
各位家長：
根據網上資料(教育局)無論直資与否只要是一條龍中小學，中學是有責任收所有小六學生！所以書院這次做事方法實屬有問題！
:-D

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原文章由 todayyes 於 07-11-23 17:38 硐表
如果學生中英數有吾合格，上到書院都未必係好事喎


學校當初要求家長支持轉直資時, 說教統局那個<上落車>政策的不是, 未能配合學校一條龍政策, 以十二年來教好一個孩子. 但今天轉了直資後, 就自己設上落車制 (不用六年可能已落車<留班,留班到踢出校>. 請問各英華家長對此有何意見? 是否有被欺騙之感覺呢?

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csk,

Yes, I know academic is a 'must'.  But, what I worry is that "there is a message of having a Grade 5 of instrument (other than piano) as a basic requirement for the college"

As all the policy is keeping on changing for a higher requirement, I am afraid that my decision in delaying for learning the instrument would .....

It's really difficult to get relaxed.:cry:
原文章由 csk 於 07-11-23 08:20 硐表
大眼仔_媽咪

妳的小朋友只是小一，不用擔心升中問題，因為有的是時間！我覺得始終是學業行頭，其他音樂、運動，有時間精神才應付。不過，一定要培養小朋友閱讀的習慣，中、英文書也要看。至於是否學多樣樂器，首先要囝囝喜歡，和找到好的老師他又有時間教才決定吧！

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JP,

As you said, learning piano can cultivate the discipline/persistence/patience/concentration.  Doen't it be good enough for training the boys' self awareness in doing good for themselves?  I guess you boy must be 'very good' indeed.

My boy is approaching seven in early Jan 08.  He really having his own 'thinking'.  Give you one example : he suddenly made a decision to hold the "performance art" during his School Music Festival Competition last year.  The reason he gave is that others at the same competition doesn't do what he has been taught and hence he decided that it is not necessary.  At last, his outcome is just 2 marks below for having a "second runner-up".  

Sometimes, I'm frustrated on what he is struggling with me all the times to make things worse.    I don't know what time he could try to 'listen' and 'cooperate'.  And, this is the reason for me to hold his learning on second instrument as well.

Regarding good teacher, his piano teacher is really 'fit' for grooming his character - "an artist" (according to the teacher).  Hoping that he would faster learn how to drive himself up in saving my energy.

原文章由 JP 於 07-11-22 09:51 硐表
大眼仔_媽咪>>

I agree that learning piano is indeed a very good training for kids, esp. boys in cultivating their discipline/persistence/patience/concentration/...! And piano playing, which has a long history and well developed for hundreds of years by many famous composers/pianists, requires very sophisticated skills and musical sense!

Though piano learning is not counted/"respected" by YWC, I myself have no regret at all in choosing piano for my boys. But my puzzle is : if I had spent more time in my boys' homework/revisions/reading, would that be more rewarding/benefical to their development??  

How old is your boy? You mean he has his own thinking/style and refuses to follow his piano teacher's instructions?
Long ago, I discussed with a BK mom ( whose boy is gifted in music) facing similar problems.
My short conclusion is that : if the kid really loves piano, a good teacher should be capable in persuading the kid to follow his/her instructions!

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todayyes:
中,英,數三科要合格,聽落好合理,但唔合理是出唔合理的卷去考他們!




原文章由 todayyes 於 07-11-23 17:38 硐表
如果學生中英數有吾合格，上到書院都未必係好事喎

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各位

今天小五、小六普通話集誦得到亞軍，不枉這幾個星期密集式練習

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原文章由 csk 於 07-11-24 18:24 硐表
各位

今天小五、小六普通話集誦得到亞軍，不枉這幾個星期密集式練習


我真係不明白, 究竟現時學校轉了直資後的教育理念是什麼呢?

(1) "有教無類" 定 "去蕪存菁"
- 為何現在要在小學階段就設這麼嚴謹的關卡 (如突然加深程度, 六年級生在無得補考的情況下一科主科不合格就要被迫脫龍).

(2) "因材施教" 定 "樣樣皆能"
- 究竟"全人教育"是否要"樣樣皆能,樣樣皆精"的教育
- 為何要學習對學校有用處或貢獻(,樂團)的樂器, 而置孩子興趣之不顧(鋼琴不計算).

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mcheung

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喜訊一個接一個..........


原文章由 csk 於 07-11-24 18:24 硐表
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今天小五、小六普通話集誦得到亞軍，不枉這幾個星期密集式練習

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絕對同意(唔合理是出唔合理的卷去考他們!)，明顯今年高小(P.5 & 6)評估卷內容較往年深及多。似乎學校要閘龍多於接龍！！
原文章由 mayc 於 07-11-24 17:07 硐表
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中,英,數三科要合格,聽落好合理,但唔合理是出唔合理的卷去考他們!

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mayc,
禁樣真係要同學校反映吓喎，d卷係咪比出面d小學深呀

原文章由 mayc 於 07-11-24 17:07 硐表
todayyes:
中,英,數三科要合格,聽落好合理,但唔合理是出唔合理的卷去考他們!
:-D

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