求學是否求分數?

iodine

http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/repor ... undergrad_stats.pdf
This is probably the best document available on the internet.
Table 3.1 shows the final AL exam achievement (please note that this is NOT the conditional offer offered by the colleges). The practical admission result is AAA
Table 3.2 shows roughly 1/3 of potential candidates got at least AAA in AL Exam.

If there is 40 pupils in a class, can you call the one ranked 13th "flying colours"

iodine

spantan 發表於 12-2-6 12:23
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讓我再㸃醒你，香港的HKCEE & HKAL 考生比坪英國的GCSE & GCE A level 考生是大一年的，也讀多一年書及課程內容也是深一年的，你知道嗎？

http://www.britishcouncil.org/eumd-hongkong-naric_briefing_note_29nov07.pdf
I hope you can read cumulated histogram once again with care in the document.
The critical difference bewteen the two examinations is the grade distribution. It does not matter whether UK GCE A level is held one year before the HK one. In other words, if I was sitting the HK ALE, the reason why I got a "C" is just because of the grade distribution with a much smaller proportion of A & B.

Can you really pass the document and my argument to your elite school colleagues for their comment?

iodine

spantan 發表於 12-2-6 13:36
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If I added a comment in bold (in #41), it meant that Table 3.1 is not the perfect chart. The perfect information would be a table of conditional offers of those who finally admitted (but tis is not available on the interent). Do you think a student who had received an EE offer will be admitted with an EE result?

There is a UCAS score in Table 3.1, comparing a UCAS score with another UCAS score is appropriate.

For your probability part, getting A in different subjects are not totally independent. Getting 3 A in 3 different subjects would be lower, but it would not be far from getting one A in one subject.

Lastly, below is the GCE A level results breakdown
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdHFsTmFXTGxxZUFGX3pfWGktNFlTanc&hl=en_US#gid=0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/aug/18/a-levels-analysis-subject-school

I think the discussion would become meaningless, if you still think getting an A is difficult in UK.

iodine

spantan 發表於 12-2-6 13:54
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No, the reason for HK students can easily get higher grades in UK exams is not only due to the proportion of grade distribution.

In fact, the main reason is the different in level and difficulties. Many of my colleagues who attend HKAL only got 3Ds while they got 3 A (no A*at that time) when attending the GCE A level at the same time for the same 3 subjects. Your grade level comparison table cannot account for this phenomenon.

Thank you very much. This is a beautiful support of my notion.

ANChan59

spantan 發表於 12-2-6 14:34
Another point: Do you know why Oxbridge put so much emphasis on interview? It is because in the past ...

According to the info from the Cambridge Admission Officer, he said 30% 3A in GCE AL, so some programs need aptitude tests and interview to screen the best fit students, they can't rely on GCE AL results.

iodine

ANChan59 發表於 12-2-6 15:03
According to the info from the Cambridge Admission Officer, he said 30% 3A in GCE AL, so some progra ...

Thank you very much for your figure. I guess I'd better stop here. I have found all the necessary primary sources and I hope they are easy to understand.

ANChan59

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I just quoted and unquoted.
GCE AL and HKDSE are not my concerns,

Fortress

求學只為
入大學 ?

edea

spantan 發表於 12-2-6 12:23
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請討論時保持禮貌.

edea

karen_kwong

我都經常向人請教“如果求學不是求分数，甘求乜野呢“，求學既本質是甚麽？求學既目的每個人都唔同，每個家長都不一樣，
因此亦帶出不同的意見，又係果句：佢啱，你亦無錯。