今日東方爆料, 名幼稚園(Yxxk)幫今年報考小一的小朋友假洗禮

thomasha

世風日下...難怪而家ｄ夫婦都唔係咁想生小朋友。

總而言之，種瓜得瓜，種豆得豆。

或者諗諗可否o係監管o既層面做d功夫，杜絕呢d行為，例如規定有信仰o既父母一定要已經受洗/受浸一定的年期，確保信仰已植根於他們心內，咁樣先至係"同信仰"有分o既原意。

其實呢方面仲牽涉現時校本自決給分vs一刀切監管問題，未必可以好易解決，但最少可以做d工夫。

原帖由 Kittymummy 於 10-10-1 03:04 發表
睇到呢個topic, 我突然諗起舊年 or 前年有個bk mami 開topic 話叫屋企個姐姐帶佢個小朋友去philippines 受洗, 目的係果5分. 當時我仲比呢個mami 好惡咁話返我轉頭 (當時我只係話佢唔誠實), 又話唔係做左傷天害人既事 ...

Kittymummy

睇到呢個topic, 我突然諗起舊年 or 前年有個bk mami 開topic 話叫屋企個姐姐帶佢個小朋友去philippines 受洗, 目的係果5分. 當時我仲比呢個mami 好惡咁話返我轉頭 (當時我只係話佢唔誠實), 又話唔係做左傷天害人既事, 信仰係可以受洗完慢慢咁佢陪養返黎....etc. 點解學校咁商業化 ? 咪因為d家長想走捷徑lor. (sorry, 只係個人意見)

homama1168

Hello,

唔知有無Y0RK家長有以下同感 :

1. 馮太句ロ頭繟,就係 Ling-a-Ling, 今次她會唔會 Ling-a-Ling lar

2. 毎次家長會都聽到她讚不絶口個仔點巴閉, 邉有父母會對咁多人面前講,重係次次都講 。

thomasha

Maybe each school should publish the precise requirement without having parents to call the school to ask - this will improve transparency.

原帖由 ssskwan 於 10-9-30 21:49 發表
It is ok for schools to adopt different bases as long as an individual school apply its basis consistently since parents may only apply for one school at this stage.

thomasha

Yes, before they make a decision on which school to apply, they need to do some research on this.

As any school in other districts can be applied for, and Catholic/Christian schools are hits, I'm sure parents will still have to make enquiries here and there and decide on which school to apply for.

原帖由 ssskwan 於 10-9-30 21:51 發表
Parents can only apply for one school at this stage.  The number of schools they shortlist, i.e. the scope of their research, should be limited.

[ 本帖最後由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 22:41 編輯 ]

ssskwan

Parents can only apply for one school at this stage.  The number of schools they shortlist, i.e. the scope of their research, should be limited.

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 18:39 發表
Very frustrating and bothersome for parents indeed.  It means parents have to ask each of the schools applied for for their precise criteria on this religion factor.  I hope most parents, especially t ...

ssskwan

It is ok for schools to adopt different bases as long as an individual school apply its basis consistently since parents may only apply for one school at this stage.

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 17:45 發表
Thank you for your information.

According to what I read from the documents (e.g. the "Notes on completion of the application form"), EDB lets schools decide whether a certain religion is the same re ...

overview

間幼稚園最近好似好等錢洗, 又開國際班, 又要家長買debenture, 而家仲攪單咁既嘢.

臨近考小學, 最驚會連累埋家長, 已為入讀既學生都係為走捷徑, 真係多得york唔小.

boilermaker

Mrs Fung向水魚(家長)收錢的橋一向都曾出不窮﹐想不到這次竟然這樣走火入魔﹗

hui3328

呢間嘢都係好商業化的"掠水"幼稚園!

Yanamami

原帖由 homama1168 於 10-9-30 17:31 發表
Dear parents,

就前年臨小一入學伸請分配學位, 馮校長親口教家長借地址, 我心想咁都得, 堂堂一個教長, 竟然叫家長做犯法的事’我真的很鱷然她會說出這番話 ??

Shame on her. ...

thomasha

(Extracted from HK Yahoo news)
約克幼稚園決定退款給慕道班家長
(商台)2010年9月30日 星期四 17:58

九龍塘約克英文小學暨幼稚園被指舉辦收費的慕道課程，香港天主教教區認為，行政處理不妥善指，慕道活動及主日學需經所屬堂區批准，及不應收費，幼稚園總校長馮譚淑賢表示，校方接納指示，已要求家長組織退還相關費用，不過，她未有回應為何繳交慕道班費用的支票收款人，是由校長有份做董事的公司。

thomasha

Very frustrating and bothersome for parents indeed.  It means parents have to ask each of the schools applied for for their precise criteria on this religion factor.  I hope most parents, especially those taking advantage of this factor, have enquired all these details before submitting the application form.

原帖由 Geni 於 10-9-30 18:11 發表


edb的確係由得各家學校各施各法, 如果你打去edb問宗教分點計佢都係會叫你自己打去學校問. 有d學校只接受小朋友領洗超過3年, 有基督教學校只接受自己堂區o既教徒, 睇得好嚴, 但又有d學校只要父或母係教徒就得, 有d ...

Geni

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 17:45 發表
Thank you for your information.

According to what I read from the documents (e.g. the "Notes on completion of the application form"), EDB lets schools decide whether a certain religion is the same re ...

edb的確係由得各家學校各施各法, 如果你打去edb問宗教分點計佢都係會叫你自己打去學校問. 有d學校只接受小朋友領洗超過3年, 有基督教學校只接受自己堂區o既教徒, 睇得好嚴, 但又有d學校只要父或母係教徒就得, 有d基督教學校甚至肯俾o個5分俾天主教徒....

thomasha

Thank you for your information.

According to what I read from the documents (e.g. the "Notes on completion of the application form"), EDB lets schools decide whether a certain religion is the same religion of the school.  I am not sure if EDB delegates the full power to schools to decide whether any candidate is entitled to the 5 marks or not.

For example, I suppose all schools will (and should) verify the authenticity of baptism certificates submitted.  Do the schools have authority to decide on how many years the parent and/or the children have to be baptised for entitlement of the 5 marks?  Is the basis the same across the board (objective), or can the school exercise discretion (subjective)?  Are all schools transparent on this?

It would be strange to apply a school-based approach in a universal allocation system.  Any subjectivity can give rise to controversies.

原帖由 Geni 於 10-9-30 17:33 發表


其實邊d申請人可以得到o個5分宗教分其實已經交o左俾收生小學自己去決定. 好多學校都知道有好多家長用盡方法去得呢5分, 所以各家學校自己都定o左d唔同o既準則去俾分, 例如你所講o既領洗時間, 堂區, 證明文件o既可靠 ...

Geni

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 17:02 發表
I believe:

1. The P1 allocation system needs to be refined in regard of religion.  There should be a time limit for the parents' joining the same religion, e.g. the parent must have been baptised at  ...

其實邊d申請人可以得到o個5分宗教分其實已經交o左俾收生小學自己去決定. 好多學校都知道有好多家長用盡方法去得呢5分, 所以各家學校自己都定o左d唔同o既準則去俾分, 例如你所講o既領洗時間, 堂區, 證明文件o既可靠性等等.

homama1168

Dear parents,

就前年臨小一入學伸請分配學位, 馮校長親口教家長借地址, 我心想咁都得, 堂堂一個教長, 竟然叫家長做犯法的事’我真的很鱷然她會說出這番話 ??

Shame on her.

hui3328

約克幼稚園被指辦收費領洗班
(星島)2010年9月30日 星期四 13:45

約克英文小學暨幼稚園被指開辦天主教教義速成課程，並且向報讀的學生及家長收費。校方指活動是家長組織籌辦，而天主教香港教區發表聲明，指有關課程與教區無關。
教區發表聲明，表示有家長查詢，指九龍區一間幼稚園上星期舉辦的簡介會中，聲稱可以為非天主教徒的學生和家長開辦速成班，講述天主教義，之後會有神父為他們洗禮，學生和家長分別收費2000多和3000多元。據悉上述課程是為了幫助一些未入教的學童，日後能夠以教徒的身分升讀天主教小學。
教區的聲明強調，從來沒有開辦速成課程，而目前的政策，為準備成人或者小童領洗入教的慕道班，又或者是主日學都毋須收費。
位於九龍塘的約克英文小學暨幼稚園回應時表示，慕道活動是由家長自發組織，學方只是負責借出場地及行政上支持。而據校方了解，慕道活動後，家長可以自行到所屬教區進行評核，再由教區神父決定是否適合領洗，費用由家長會支付，扣除導師費用及行政開支，餘款會用於教會奉獻，校方會直接向教區作出交代。
而教育區表示，至今未收到有家長投訴，正向學校了解事件。

原帖由 thomasha 於 10-9-30 17:02 發表
I believe:

1. The P1 allocation system needs to be refined in regard of religion.  There should be a time limit for the parents' joining the same religion, e.g. the parent must have been baptised at  ...

thomasha

I believe:

1. The P1 allocation system needs to be refined in regard of religion.  There should be a time limit for the parents' joining the same religion, e.g. the parent must have been baptised at least 3 years before the application date. This can probably largely eliminate those parents who only join a religion for the 5 marks.

2. The diocese and other churches should clearly state the requirements for acceptance of baptism to prevent any wrongful or misleading courses or procedures.

3. Although the school claims that it did not organise the course, they should have knowledge of the course and about whether it is permitted under existing regulations before providing the venue and assistance to the organisers.  They are either negligent (in case they don't know details about the course) or collaborators (in case they know the details), meaning that they are responsible one way or another.

To parents of the kindergarten who are reading this thread, I want to emphasise that I am just confronting the management of the school for this incident, and am in no way doubting the quality of education provided by the kindergarten.  I am sure parents can form their own judgement based on their experience with the kindergarten - we are outsiders for that matter.

原帖由 jj_hk 於 10-9-30 16:31 發表
It is very upset to hear of such news. I really hope it wont happen anymore.
BTW i would appeal that we DO NOT comment any more on the concerned school as it would harm so much to the students and and ...

Yanamami

學校就係要搵d同自己有相同「教育理念」o既家長囉.