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睡王子

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本帖最後由睡王子於 18-1-17 13:28 編輯

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papachai

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其實我兩個小朋友（分別係year1 同year3)嘅家長group普遍反應都滿意新安排喎。同埋個報導同部份家長嘅理解，同事實有多少出入。不過我個人百分百支持學校嘅決定！

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I think the policy is good especially for year 1 students, but the school should consider the student ability and parents thinking when implementing. My kid is in year 2 and many year 2 students affected. My kid have studied k1 to k3 before going in year 1. The learning in chinese and maths is pretty good and also born in 2009, but still puting my kid in year 1 chinese and maths. Many year 2 student need to repeat the course even they can catch up, but some students and parents want to repeat but puting them one year up just because they are older. I think the policy should not bring out immediately. The school should arrange new class based on ability and parents options instead of only age.

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totoro1990 發表於 16-10-26 10:55
I think the policy is good especially for year 1 students, but the school should consider the studen ...

完全同意學校溝通同行政安排可以做好d，亦希望對你小朋友影響唔好太大啦。2017個intake佢哋好似已經定返清楚曬，同埋希望佢哋今次可以對現有嘅同學仔安排得好，之後順順利利啦。

ol_bb

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本帖最後由 ol_bb 於 16-10-26 12:20 編輯

我地嗰班家長普遍都好支持新arrangement!
新arrangement 會令小朋友讀完小學有更多唔同選擇，去local，international school 或者選擇local or international stream at YMCA college!

virgokaren

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回覆：【逼學生降級】港青基信校長：畀唔起學費就走

唔係話學校改制唔啱，不過對 year 4 的同學是有影响:

1) 留在 year 4 的同學將会重讀 P3 中文和數。
數位同學剛從 RC 轉讀 AC, 對 local Chinese 來說 year 4 AC 巳屬於淺，再降一級豈非更淺? 此舉浪費了學生一年的時間。

2)亦有些家長的子女中/數都 handle 得好，卻仍要重讀而不滿!

3) 升上 year 5 的同學原本讀緊 UK year 4 literacy, Geography, Science 又突然 skip 左一年變左讀 UK year 5 literacy, geography, science. 而學校又冇交待對學生有冇影响或損失?

當然，在 year 4 群組內亦有很多家長表示歡迎這項改革的!

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Totally agree that the new policy is not bad, but the problem is how to implement without a great impact. Suggest school to arrange formal assessment, giving out data to parents and let them choose. My kid's progress report at the end of year 1 is good progress. teacher comment on chinese and maths and english is very good. The result of recent chinese test is also over 90, nearly all dictation is all correct, class teacher do not mention any learning problems. The age is also at suitable age of year 2 age group, according to government definition. Principal just answer me at that night that academics is not all. Then what is the reason for making us fall back to yesr 1 chinese and maths? Why should us spend extra one year to learn old things? If calculating 3 digits add/subtract is fine, how to make kids not boring learning again one and two digits things? My kid feel so frustrating now that why need to stop the things learning now and re-do the old things.

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just receive principal email to all parents that they give out response to media. Asking parents to call office arrange talk. However, I have called them few times within these two day asking what information they need from psychologist, still there is no feedback from principal or vice principal, both email or phone call. i understand they are busy, but then why they force us to accept in so rush without telling us what the kid need to improve?

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virgokaren 發表於 16-10-27 00:38
唔係話學校改制唔啱，不過對 year 4 的同學是有影响:

1) 留在 year 4 的同學將会重讀 P3 中文和數。

本帖最後由 tybrand 於 16-10-27 20:26 編輯

完全認同，不顧實際情況，yr 3,4影響大，中數降班重讀，英制按齡跳班，其他科skip咗1年無讀，跟本對學生學習重大影響，完全9588.
我地仲要無say, 咁樣學術程度只會更落後

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virgokaren 發表於 16-10-27 00:38
唔係話學校改制唔啱，不過對 year 4 的同學是有影响:

1) 留在 year 4 的同學將会重讀 P3 中文和數。

本帖最後由 tybrand 於 16-10-27 22:07 編輯

咁新生yr1 又讀咩level 中文呢？

讀多年local stream 中數，其他科又讀咩呢？

virgokaren

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引用：Quote:virgokaren+發表於+16-10-27+00:38+

原帖由 tybrand 於 16-10-27 發表
本帖最後由 tybrand 於 16-10-27 22:07 編輯

咁新生yr1 又讀咩level 中文呢？

year 1 讀銜接小一程度的中文及數。

year 6 local 讀小六中文及數， UK curriculum 吾知?????

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virgokaren

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可能 year 7 UK English and other subjects

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penp0319

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virgokaren 發表於 16-10-27 00:38
唔係話學校改制唔啱，不過對 year 4 的同學是有影响:

1) 留在 year 4 的同學將会重讀 P3 中文和數。

任何改革都有人認同和反對！不過學校都是由學生出發，但被人寫到咁！
聽落係本地課程先改！中文AC 不是本地課程？！
其實若由local school 轉去ESF 小學插班，我見朋友的仔女都跟年齢跳一班！
我不是學校家長，不太清楚實際情況！但報導只強調七年小學，我覺得有d誤導！

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本帖最後由 shubon 於 16-10-28 10:13 編輯

今日基信學校副校長謝詠湘在明報話「學校重視家長意見」廢話。

「為避免部分傳媒報道引起的誤解」無誤解，的確係有學生要突然讀多一年，共七年小學。

「校方鼓勵家長增加與學校溝通」單向有你講，無人哋講。無來家長會嘅懵然不知，學校網頁資料停留去年石器時代。

「並指理解公眾對校內事務有興趣」收咗幾千萬學費喎，梗係有興趣知道呢盤從來未公開過的財政收支狀況。會唔會有人收花紅添！

「但校方更願意與家長直接溝通；學校管理層亦主動與家長及學生溝通」講大話，從來留電話唔回覆，電郵唔回覆。當晚家長會，直接問，又叫人寫信嚟問。記者問可否中文回答唔，話自己唔識中文，一聽口音就知道。

「確保學生不會因校方的任何決定而受影響」而家有人要Year2 邊Year3, Year2邊Year1, 點唔影響呀，單從出生年份去分級，學校有何專業判斷不同學生進度和能力？

「回覆中並無回應早前受家長爭議的重整課程的原因及相關細節。」根本就係硬要你食。
連中文名都唔敢公開，副校長Tammy Tse謝詠湘，校監Peter Ho何慶濂，謊話何其多。派通知書要家長會後鬼鬼鼠鼠門口派，學期中先來搞變革，非常不道德，令家長無法及時轉校。對YMCA信心盡失。

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正如之前咁講,我覺得學校溝通同行政係可以做得好D.
不過學校俾人寫到咁,我真係有少少心痛同覺得佢地慘.

1. 我完全認為學校出發點係為學生好. 其實佢地大可以懶懶閒,乜都唔做,到幾年之後第一批同學仔升中果陣,問題浮現.
收左幾年薪水,管理層大可以到時跳船退休.佢地果晚自己都講,預左件事唔係LIGHT (即係預左係硬野).其實如果佢地無承擔,就唔會自找麻煩.其實多少明白學校點解會咁倉促,因為明年最大果班師兄師姐就要攪國際學校升中.所以新管理層只係到任幾個月,意識到問題就即刻做野,個人反而認為有魄力有效率

2. 簡單講,其實佢地今次既改變,最終後果係乜. 就係如果升中,
a. 入國際學校(我唔知係咪全部,不過ESF係),同學仔要讀過8年書(3年幼稚園+5年小學, 或者2年幼稚園+6年小學)
b. 入本地或者直資學校(包括YMCA CC),同學仔要讀過9年書(3年幼稚園+6年小學, 或者2年幼稚園+7年小學)
即係同學仔要讀5-7年.睇下自己揀邊條PATH同之前係K2定K3上.
所以報導講最少讀7年同掠水之說,我唔明白. K3上果D揀國際升中,仲會讀少年俾少年錢.相反,學校如果唔出聲,同學仲會浪費多一年俾多年錢.
當然, TOTORO個情況同VIRGOKAREN講AC既情況,我覺得學校係絕對應該再個別睇返.

3. 公道講, under2b. k2上既同學仔咁突然係會shock既 (我有朋友都係), 因為早一兩年,無乜清楚解釋過升中同期望落差大,完全可以理解. 搵教育局跟進了解,亦絕對明白.不過搵到幾個media,仲寫到咁多錯漏帶惡意,就真係無必要啦.
我覺得攪到學校疲於奔命應付media加開會,拖慢左新安排之後個溝通/安排/fine tune/跟進工作,咪搵自己d細個泥攪.

後感:
兩個小朋友讀左一段時間,對學校課程/老師/教學,極滿意. 令小朋友好鐘意返學,學習有興趣,主動睇書
行政,溝通,(特別係校車)有改善空間.不過學校細又新,俾d時間佢地啦
同校長副校唔熟,不過接觸過一兩次,感覺上,同上一任一樣都好nice同helpful,仲好快回覆跟進.supervisor其實睇得出都有心既,不過近兩次家長會聽佢講野都幾長氣 :p

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同意，新校長其實可以選擇什麼都不做，但佢選擇去做是希望小朋友將來升中條路更順利！

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其中一位家長給校長的信。理據有力，但管理層不理會。

Dear Principal,

For the new school policy, we appreciate school's bold decision for children's benefit. But as parents, I do have some concern for the new policy and I am not sure if it will bring negative impact to students.

As a teacher myself, I have been spending much time with students everyday throughout the years. To me, if I need to execute the policy, I do have the following concerns:

1.Student emotion:
If students was assigned to re-learn what they has learnt, no matter they learnt well or not last year, how would they feel/think about it? Will they think they have not studied well last year? There may be much confusion and self-blaming deeply inside themselves, it is not easy to be recognized and settled.

2.Student learning motivation:
While students will re-learn what they "think" they know, they will have no motivation. By my own experience in handling this kind of student, we cannot expect they will follow instructions. If more that 5 students are in that situation, it would be a big disaster. Now, we have ......almost all. It would be even much worse if new green classmates join the class as there's huge learning diversity among them. It may induce other problem, e.g. Classroom disorder, bullying, etc...

3.Teacher's time and capability:
You can imagine, with these situation, almost all student has different kind and level of confusions needed to be counseled individually in different way.  Much time, effort and counseling skill is needed. Honestly, I think most of YMCA teachers are not capable and don't have the quality time to handle all those even with school guideline, continues monitoring/reflection/adjustment, training, teacher's effort, parent's help, love, patient, believe, etc...

4.Parents' financial arrangement
If students decided to pursue local or YMCA secondary school, they need to stay one more year in school. From financial perspective, parents need to bare unplanned HKD $100,000+ EXTRA compared to original school curriculum.

5.Parents' confident in school
As this decision was solely made from school side without parents' active involvement, it may not have considered certain important factors that school missed. Also, as it is a major new policy, I think school cannot guarantee it is the last change, there must be fine tuning follows. Nobody knows how many major or minor adjustments will occur in coming 3-5 years. It brings uncertainties. I think no parent want his child to be a laboratory-rat for whatever reason.

6.Way of teaching
It may beyond the discussion of the new policy but I would like to bring out here. The way of teaching Math and Chinese in YMCA seems not appropriated. It cannot help student to understand what they have to learn but bring confusion instead. It is not related to the difficult of the syllabus and students' age, the new policy cannot help. The way of teaching must be reviewed.

In summary, the new policy is good to new students but may not be for existing one. I do worry much about that.

If school's concern is on 1) matching ages with international stream 2) matching ages with the ability local math & Chinese required, why not just 1) keep students' current class as no problem for U.K. subjects 2) assign students to appropriated Chinese/Math class as international school has no harsh requirement on Chinese/Math 3) students need to attend additional years only if necessary 4) redesign the  learning material, not to use original books in this bridging year?

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本帖最後由 shubon 於 16-10-28 11:37 編輯

Now they're asking parents to pay one more year of money for a REPEATED curriculum.

Anything policy change, even it's of good motives or purpose, should NOT be implemented in the term. This is absolutely immoral and irresponsible, breaking the mutual trust between the school and parents.

Frankly the class teachers are good and able to communicate quite well with parents. However the school office guys and management staff never respond to any faxes, email and telephone inquiry. NOT to mention a conversation.

Peter Ho is a crap. May he please stop using his unconvincing personal example to cheat people. He is a liar.
As a matter of fact they could have done it in / before summer, why were they doing in their summer vacation while receiving salary?

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回覆 ol_bb 的帖子

重覆讀多一次Year1嘅書會更順利？還是3000萬學費袋袋平安？課程從來，沒有框架架構交代過，怎樣說服家長？
佢哋有乜嘢專業去判斷同一年嘅學生能力和已有知識是一模一樣。毫不專業，誤人子弟？
當初揀你，唔係因為個核突校舍，而係師資課程，而今紊亂不堪，叫人怎會有信心？