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發表於 15-3-11 23:12 |只看該作者 |倒序瀏覽 |打印

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/news/art/20150311/19071959

Sorry I'm quite out of touch when it comes to LS happenings.
Is this a common situation amongst local schools now?
Even in the Catholic/Christian prestigious school?

Seems like this "National Education" is seeping into various schools nowadays, not just the grass root government schools. Do you think this would make more parents run over to IS due to fear?

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發表於 15-3-12 03:15 |只看該作者

"中國中國是我的家" <-- those who sing this with a genuine heart can't be too happy in Hongkong, because Hongkong is (still) so different from China and therefore so unlike home.

"中國中國是我的媽媽" <-- those who sing this probably should get rid of his/her biological mother

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I think we are being too sensitive.

Different provinces in China are very different in terms of life style and culture. These differences do not determine whether they are happy or not when singing "中國中國是我的家". Unless they don't think China is their home country.

Everybody should understand (even children) that it is metaphorical when we sing 中國中國是我的媽媽. After all, they are promoting sense of belonging to China, not communism.

I may not have all the facts yet but from what I saw, asking Hong Kong primary school children to sing songs like that during a themed month on China seems reasonable.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 15-3-12 14:31 |只看該作者

I don't see any problem with those songs. Bascially every nations in the world (including those so called democratic nations like US, UK, Canada) have their own kind of national education. It was only those yellow thiefs trying to 借題發揮.

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本帖最後由 torunpoland 於 15-3-12 15:38 編輯

愛國沒問題，國民教育本質也沒問題，問題在於：

（1）中國 = 黨？（這點每人看法不一，無謂拗）

（2）手法，眼有高低，技有優劣，硬推軟銷任君選擇，家長可受可不受，但稚子對母親的愛，是純潔無瑕、直接無彎、入血滲肺的，採用「中國」=「媽媽」，核突難看與否，見仁見智，但若非看中這個關係對孩子造成潛移默化影響之便，我就覺得這首歌寫得馬虎求其，說不上是甚麼好作品，遑論推介給小朋友。

（3）此曲只應天上有，何苦驟降聖心園？敢問校長老師為啥？

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本帖最後由 torunpoland 於 15-3-12 15:37 編輯

樓主，我認為題目的paint 改為dye更適當。paint 有主動參與、創意之況味。而dye更顯出過程中diffusion 不受控制的隨機性。整條題我改為Dyeing LS in red（說多了，勿怪）

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發表於 15-3-12 16:13 |只看該作者

In English, we use the word motherland, so what's wrong with a metaphore? When complaine something, please check a dictionary first.

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torunpoland 德文有Vaterland呢！發表於 15-3-12 16:28

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torunpoland 發表於 15-3-12 15:13
樓主，我認為題目的paint 改為dye更適當。paint 有主動參與、創意之況味。而dye更顯出過程中diffusion 不受 ...

Yeah, paint is removable, whereas dye is not. I like your theme title better ;)
(now how do i change it...)

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torunpoland as a part of memory 發表於 15-3-12 16:31

torunpoland just leave it as a part of mem 發表於 15-3-12 16:31

torunpoland It puns too, if you read it. 發表於 15-3-12 16:30

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發表於 15-3-12 16:33 |只看該作者

From the feedback i'm getting so far, i guess the general public believe this is legitimate and parents are comfortable with National education? I am hoping it is (given the negative connotation this particular media group is imposing, it had me worried for a while). I am glad because i sure don't want LS parents flooding into IS simply due to this one particular fact.

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本帖最後由 torunpoland 於 15-3-12 17:00 編輯

孩子愛媽媽，是因為媽媽真係照顧得自己無微不至，真心地愛。

孩子要不要像愛媽媽一樣的愛某國？各有答案。

但是，反過來問，某國是不是真的跟媽媽一樣的愛自己？愛到一個地步要歌頌？孩子白紙一張，老師呢？

明喻隱喻暗喻借喻都是修辭手法，目的是令主體更立題。愛國沒問題，你有你立場，我有我墳場；國民教育也沒有問題，神農氏到毛主席總要認識，莫忘文革六四切記入世辦奧。問題是手法，手法是不是用得其所？小朋友咋佢地係！係咪咁植入先？

我承認我有觀點立場：一個毀滅幾千來的士大夫文化的政權，應該未有資格教我如何教仔女愛國。

網友說也許大家敏感。我認同，但認為此事上，寧敏莫缺。報紙為銷情有其商業理由(此報或有另外考慮也說不定)，但我認為家長應打醒精神，棒出肉已痛，槍拔血已流。寧可在家捕風捉影，不願廚房見到熟蛙。甚麼爭論都好，當我是過敏好了。

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Yanamami Yes! 發表於 15-3-12 17:26

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jolalee 發表於 15-3-12 16:33
From the feedback i'm getting so far, i guess the general public believe this is legitimate and pare ...

都唔係想flood就flood既~~大不了多d人提早出国啫。其实又唔係好多LS係禁吖~起碼我女(一个小学—个中学)無呢d愛国举动｡

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yyevita 發表於 15-3-12 16:13
In English, we use the word motherland, so what's wrong with a metaphore? When complaine something, ...

其实呢个年头用homeland会唔会好d呢？費事俾人話性别歧視~

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-3-12 20:22 編輯

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-12 12:20
Different provinces in China are very different in terms of life style and culture. ...

This is valid, but then there are major and minor differences, and it is quite obvious that the differences between provinces within China are minor and that between Hongkong and China are major, perhaps similar to the differences between Singapore and China, that is why China students could feel very homesick in HK, and vice versa is also true.

Anyway, the extent of the differences and whether (to a native speaker) "motherland/fatherland" means the same as "mother/father" is all academic, the important point is what our friend jolalee had said earlier, if most HK parents aren't spooked by it, people like jolalee and I are glad indeed :)

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-3-12 20:35 編輯

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-3-12 20:20
people like jolalee and I are glad indeed ...

On second thought, may be we should not be glad so soon, many Hongkongers are becoming wiser and picking up the behaviour of their cousins up North, 咀里說不, 身體卻很誠實, one only needs to look at where China-HK government officials and DAB party members are sending their children to study.

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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 15-3-12 21:10 編輯

From the news article, this is one of the monthly themed activities. Last month the theme could have been health, there might have been songs related to health, nobody complained. This month the theme is China, motherland. One song about China being the motherland and there are complaints and fears of brain washing?

Did anybody say JFK was brain washing American when he said "We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go .... And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you— ask what you can do for your country." - JFK.

I think this is not being cautious, this is paranoia.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+15-3-12+20:22+

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-03-12 發表
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-3-12 20:22 編輯

Well, I suspect people in Shanghai , Szechuan, Tibet or just people who live on the mountain range have Major differences.

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FattyDaddy Tibet yes 發表於 15-3-12 21:15

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-12 21:03
about China being the motherland ...

It is China being the mother, not motherland, the difference may be subtle, especially to non-native speakers.

Brits may sing "God save the queen", or "rule Britannia", but never "the queen is my mother" or "Britannia my mother" :)

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發表於 15-3-12 21:35 |只看該作者

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原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-03-12 發表
It is China being the mother, not motherland, the difference may be subtle, especially to non-native ...

As i said, singing "China is my mother" is clearly metaphorical, a good one too imo. It is the land, the people, the heritage that define a country and who we are, including HK people. We in Hongkong have more exposure to the western culture but to deny China is to deny our roots.

I hate the behaviors of many mainland Chinese. I hate the ruling party and so much injustice and corruptions in the mainland. But I don't hate "China" because we have differences and I don't deny my roots. Call me naive.

The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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That's why the parents not opposing the "theme" but only this material, fear of propaganda.

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shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-12 21:35
But I don't hate "China" because we have differences and I don't deny my roots ...

You're reading too much into other people's posts, saying loving a person (mother) should not be mixed up with loving a place (motherland) is not suggesting anyone should hate anywhere or deny anything :)

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