IB Qualification - CUHK(Faculty of Law) - Updated with HKU(Faculty of Law)

BB144

Dear Logos Parents,

Attached below is a chain of self-explanatory correspondences between CUHK and me after their 2012 Information Day held on 27 October, regarding the IB English Language requirements. At first, I want to share the information with Logos parents in our PA forum which was however closed. So, I choose to post here which is the only alternative route available at this moment.

BB144

RE: CUHK Faculty of Law
2012年11月22日 星期四 上午11:41

寄件人:
"Gladys CHAU (Faculty of Law)"


收件人:
Dear Mr

With reference to your earlier enquiry about the IB English requirement, the Faculty has looked into the changes to the language subjects in Groups 1 and 2 for the IB examinations in 2013 and afterwards, and resolved that:

For applicants sitting the IB examination in 2012 and before: Applicants shall have obtained good grades in IB English at Higher Level (A1, A2 or B); or good grades in IB English at Standard Level (A1 or A2 only).

For applicants sitting the IB examination in 2013 and after:  Applicants shall have obtained good grades in IB English A at Higher or Standard Level; or good grades in IB English B at Higher Level only.

Regards

Gladys

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From: Gladys CHAU ( Faculty of Law )
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:22 PM
To:
Subject: RE: CUHK Faculty of Law

Dear Mr  

Thank you for your email.

We noted that there are some changes to the language subjects in Groups 1 and 2 for the IB examinations in 2013 and afterwards.  The Faculty will need some time to look into the changes and we will get back to you as soon as possible.

Regards

Gladys

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From:

Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:04 PM
To: Gladys CHAU ( Faculty of Law )
Subject: Re: CUHK Faculty of Law

Dear Ms Chau, Thanks for your prompt response. My question is:- My daughter is now studying at HKCCCU Logos Academy which offers IB curriculum. The language subjects arranged by the school are:- Group 1 ; Chinese Language (Standard Level) Group 2 : English Language (Higher Level) I understand that most of the other schools offering IB curriculum will have English Literature & Language (Standard or Higher Level) as the Group 1 language subject. I want to know whether your Faculty will not accept IB students taking English Language as Group 2 subject even though it is of Higher Level, or you need the student to take the IELTS test as a supplement qualification? Many thanks! --- 2012年10月30日星期二， Gladys CHAU ( Faculty of Law ) 寫道﹕ 寄件人: Gladys CHAU ( Faculty of Law ) 主題: CUHK Faculty of Law 日期: 2012年10月30日,星期二,上午10:53 Dear Mr Greetings from the CUHK Faculty of Law . Thank you for your visit to our Faculty during the 2012 Orientation Day last Saturday. Mr Steven Gallagher, the Assistant Dean (UG Student Affairs), has referred your enquiry about admissions to the LLB Programme Team for follow up.  To allow us better address your concerns, could you please let us know your specific enquiries?  We will then get back to you as soon as possible. With best regards, Gladys Chau Executive Officer CUHK Faculty of Law

littlefaith

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Hello,
Thanks for your information.

武航

Hi there.

I miss the old Logos' forum too.  May I know which form is your son/daughter now?   

Eng B HL should be fine to HK's Us even for those decent subjects for sure.  No worry.
Taking IELTS is also a good back up.  IGCSE is proven to be helpful for applying UK's U.

ANChan59

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Eng B HL should be fine to HK's Us even for those decent subjects for sure.  No worry.

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But bear in mind, that's min requirement and needs 6-7.

BB144

Dear Logo parents,

Attached please find the reply from HKU Faculty of Law to my recent enquiry on the minimum English language requirements. Please note that they will not accept English Language B even for Higher Level. They did not mention whether IELTS will be considered as supplementary qualification.

For your further information, please note that, from 2013 onwards, there is no more A2 syllabus.

I wonder did our first batch of IB candidates face the same restriction when they apply for the HKU Law Faculty.

BB144


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From: Faculty of Law, HKU <[email protected]>;
To: <>;
Subject: RE: Non-Jupas Admission - English Language Requirements
Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 8:13:25 AM


Dear Mr ,



Your email dated May 21, 2013 refers.



For language subjects in IB Diploma, we consider Higher or Standard Level in A1 or A2 syllabus.



Yours sincerely,

Faculty Office

Faculty of Law

The University of Hong Kong





From: ]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:18 AM
To: lawfac
Subject: Non-Jupas Admission - English Language Requirements





Dear Sir/Madam,



My daughter is now studying at HKCCCU Logos Academy which offers IB curriculum.



The language subjects arranged by the school are:-



Group 1 ; Chinese Language (Standard Level)
Group 2 : English Language (Higher Level)



I understand that most of the other schools offering IB curriculum will have English Literature & Language (Standard or Higher Level) as the Group 1 language subject. I want to know whether your Faculty will or will not accept IB students taking English Language as Group 2 subject even though it is of Higher Level, or you need the student to take the IELTS test as a supplement qualification?



Many thanks!

武航

Thanks for your information.   As per the HKU's introductory talk held last year in school, some parents did ask the same (similar) questions and the representative of HKU replied that HKU accept Eng B HL.  It seems that the written reply from the HKU's Law fac held differently.

As per my understanding, in the first IB batch, there is no student apply those "神科" like LLB or MBBS and therefore the ENG B HL is not a hurdle.  In fact, almost all LA's applicants who apply for HK's big 3 receive their offers.  差不多in 親都有。pm me for further discussion if you like.
   

poonseelai

In fact, almost all LA's applicants who apply for HK's big 3 receive their offers.  差不多in 親都有

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Has the school disclosed what subjects do they apply for in the big 3 Us?  

武航

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I don't think so.  At least not at this moment.  Maybe school will release later.

poonseelai

As far as I understand, what students learn in Eng A and Eng B are different.  For law that requires high Eng proficiency and critical skill, Eng A would be more appropriate to its needs.

The min requirement of UST (which does not offer law) is 4 for Eng A or 6 for Eng B.  I think this in a way tells the difference between A and B.  

武航

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Yes, at least UST treats ENG B a proper way although with a tougher requirement.  HKU Law Fac in this way even doesn't consider ENG B even a HL7 is bit too far.  Thanks BB144 for the sharing and the new comers should take it into account.

ANChan59

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For LLB, even Syllabus A, SL or HL needs 6-7 for conditional offers.

BB144

其實 LA 在 2010年6月時還是提出：

Group 1 : Chinese Language – Higher Level

Group 2 : English Language – Standard Level

我相信當時是指 Language A1 & A2，而是 Language B。否則，以 English Language B (Standard Level) ，是符合所有香港的大學學系(以大學的 website公佈的資料所得)對 non-jupas applicants 的最低英語水準要求，除非是 "Good Grades"，LA是可能有此安排。

但 LA 在 2011年6月改為提出：

Group 1 : Chinese Language A – Standard Level

Group 2 : English Language B– Higher Level

雖然English Language B( Higher level)是可符合大學對 non-jupas applicants 的最低英語水準要求，但是要有 "Good Grades"。為何依從 IBO在2011年的提議，把Group 2 Language A2轉為Group 1 Language A，即是 bilingual diploma。仍然可以考Standard Level.

CKY都是採用Group 2 : English Language B– Higher Level，但可以讓個別學生選修bilingual diploma，沒有整體阻礙學生報考一些英語要求高的學系。我希望LA都可以作相同安排，以補現時課程之不足，否則便淪為 Class 2 IB School.

big-boy

I dont think Logos Academy is class 2. What is class 1 ?? Who define the class ?? IB org. or you ?? If you want to conclude Logos Academy is "次貨". Get Out !!

武航

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我頗肯定記得前邱校幾年前一開始已經講本校是會報考 ENG B HL，那麼學校應不存在改變政策的情況。

至於 ENG B 的問題，在過去的家長會forum 已有多位家長提出過，對想報讀神科或神校的尖子來說，確有丁點先天缺憾。

所以當我聽到本校將開spanish我就覺得頗為奇怪，點解唔開ENG A 先呢？不過學校先係專家，而且將來既安排已與我家無乜關係所以我都無去跟進。

我同意bb144有選擇當然好過無選擇，希望學校將來有得比學生揀。

BB144

首先想回應一下 big-boy的不滿：我只是就我對IB 課程的資料搜集所得，向學校提出改善建議，最終受益的還是學生和學校本身》》學生不會被握殺機會，學校不會流失學生。若然校方和家長對這「不足」，仍然是視而不見，自我感覺良好的話，實非學生之福，我亦無話可說。

至於武航兄所說的政策無變，這是不正確的，我可以說我是一直關心學校課程發展的一位家長。以上的資料我是在學校由 2009年到2011年連續三年的 IB 課程家長晚會（全在六月舉行, dated 3 June 2009, 14 June 2010 & 22 June 2011）所搜集的，那三晚派發的資料單張我仍然保留至今。2009年和2010年是 Group 2 – English Language (Standard Level) ，沒有提及是 A2 or B。到 2011年6月22日晚上派的單張改為 Group 2 – English Language B (Higher Level)。Principal Yau 沒有主動提醒家長有關改變。但那晚我竟然有帶 2010年6月14日的單張出席家長晚會，細心比較下發現English Language 的 Level 有變 (當年都未識分 A1,A2和 B)。便膽粗粗舉手問校長點解改？當時得到的回應竟然是》》校長望我說：「我是不會答你這條問題！」相信當晚出席的家長和老師現在知道我是誰了。

ANChan59

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English A for LA is much more mportant than Spanish.....
Also, English A  shows students English proficiency more than program selection strategy.

Well said, parents need to identify the weakness of the school and improve those weaknesses with the school.

ANChan59

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有圖有真相！

poonseelai

武航 發表於 13-5-29 22:35
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我頗肯定記得前邱校幾年前一開始已經講本校是會報考 ENG B HL，那麼學校應不存在改變政 ...

Is Spanish a Group 1 or Group 2 subject? If Group 2, students will be taking Chinese plus Spanish.  I was wondering how this combination would affect universities applications.

ANChan59

poonseelai 發表於 13-5-30 08:57
Is Spanish a Group 1 or Group 2 subject? If Group 2, students will be taking Chinese plus Spanish.  ...

I don't think so....
Without English, I can't see the students can get in local and non-Spanish speaking universities.

BB144

剛看到學校通告，明年 DS4 (中一) 加開三個選修科目，包括French, Spanish 和 Music Composition and Production‧

http://www.logosacademy.edu.hk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/201213_DS390_Elective-Subjects-for-2013-14-DS4.pdf

由於是選修科目，亦佔用常規課堂時間，是課外興趣班，規定學生必須選修其中一科。雖然通告無進一步交待，但相信可成為該批學生未來公開試的學科。