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香港的直資私立學校會否超英趕美? [複製鏈接]


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發表於 12-10-17 00:40 |只看該作者
回復 lawsonmoon 的帖子

I did not give anyone any instructions. I just stated my feelings.
Good Hope primary has never changed its status. When it was founded about 58 years ago, it was a private school. Since then, the school had always applied for subsidized school but was not granted by EDB...

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發表於 12-10-17 00:52 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 ABC-DAD 於 12-10-17 00:53 編輯

除左官校,其他辦學團體或多或少都有慕捐籌款等活動,唔覺得要無限上綱。唔通家長自己夾錢起學校都算得理虧,我見過辦學團體少部份嘅歷史,無人捐獻﹐好似成唔到事噃。保良局都係咁成立嘅喎。淪落?田家炳,呂明才,林𧅰等等都係好受人尊敬嘅教育家。好多有須要嘅人受惠呀。接受捐款有一定嘅程序,濫用捐款又係另一個題目,巧立名目容易,古道熱腸嘅唔多。

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Sumyeema1  well said..  發表於 12-10-17 13:48
chunyatmama  Agree!  發表於 12-10-17 09:33
Snakemama    發表於 12-10-17 07:20

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ABC-DAD 發表於 12-10-17 00:52
除左官校,其他辦學團體或多或少都有慕捐籌款等活動,唔覺得要無限上綱。唔通家長自己夾錢起學校都算得理虧 ...
Agree with your analysis and comment.
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 12-10-17 07:42 |只看該作者
If we talk about fee remissin in dss. The EDB report few years ago have hinted there are only single digit student applying fee remission in SPCC . Can anyone tell me why?

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ABC-DAD  經濟情況同家境都唔係入學考量範圍。  發表於 12-10-17 10:23
ABC-DAD  要留意係入學後先可以申請,經濟情況唔係考量範圍。咁學校如何收生,我係嘅得利益者,講左都唔會有說服力。  發表於 12-10-17 10:02
ABC-DAD  And maybe no.of want to apply is must larger than that. But not many ppl know they can.  發表於 12-10-17 09:43
ABC-DAD  You may have your own answer. Let me put mine in Chinese: 如果還可以,還不如留給有真正須要的同學吧。  發表於 12-10-17 09:40

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發表於 12-10-17 08:15 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 12-10-17 10:54 編輯
mirage 發表於 12-10-17 07:42
If we talk about fee remissin in dss. The EDB report few years ago have hinted there are only single ...

I am not sure about SPCC, but for DBS due to misinterpretation of EDB on fee remission ruling. Originally, EDB interpreted the ruling of fee remission only primary fee for primary, secondary fee for secondary. Even all secondary money for fee remission are used up, but the school can't use the surplus of primary fee for secondary students. After releasing the audit report, EDB changed the mind and allowed the school to use the surplus for secondary students.

I guess similar reason for some DSS schools. Now, it's not an issue. If you want to blame someone, the recommenation is EDB, not DSS.

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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 12-10-17 08:19 |只看該作者
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Good point. Agree.

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發表於 12-10-17 08:35 |只看該作者
Voluntary donation to school by parents is always not an issue but donation to school in order to get a place has moral issue.  This will generally be not common in western countries but is not rare with Chinese although I am a Chinese.  Finding short cut may be a genetic characteristics of Chinese but it all depends on how people use this characteristics.

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ABC-DAD  用道德「假設」去做文章,有點【莫須有】吧﹗  發表於 12-10-17 09:36
sheffield  that's the point!  發表於 12-10-17 09:16

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發表於 12-10-17 09:17 |只看該作者
其實樓主都冇話收捐款有問題,只是收左人捐款就要比個位人…好似買賣咁…

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ABC-DAD  只係咁樣演繹,對捐款人的動機同善意都扭曲得好緊要,有舊生可以捐款同俾自己仔女入讀嘛,如果小朋友條件一樣好,困而要接受道德批判係唔公道  發表於 12-10-17 09:31

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發表於 12-10-17 09:34 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 ABC-DAD 於 12-10-17 10:04 編輯

借論語一用,“有国有家者,不患寡而患不均,不患贫而患不安。盖均无贫,和无寡,安无倾。夫如是,故远人不服,则修文德以来之。既来之,则安之。”这里“不患寡而患不均,不患贫而患不安”古本有误,应是“不患贫而患不均,不患寡而患不安”,因为“贫”与“均’是指财富,“寡”与“安”是指人口,下文所说“均无贫”与“和无寡”可以为证。颛臾是鲁君(先王)封的‘东蒙主”,如果季氏抢占来,必然引起社会动荡,就要“不安”。接着,孔子批评冉有和季路,“远人不服而不能来也,邦分崩离析而不能守也,而谋动干戈于邦内”是错误的。文章结尾一句“吾恐季孙之忧,不在颛臾而在萧墙之内也”,表现了孔子高度的政治敏感和政治见地。孔子已经看穿季氏讨伐颛臾的最终目的其实是要削弱鲁国的实力,以至篡夺鲁国的政权,从这个意义上看,李氏的行为只是一种试探性的武力示威,因而最后一句道破了季氏的阴谋,一语中的。

意义:不必担心财富不多,只需担心财富不均;不必担心人民太少,只需担心不安定。
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hophopbunny 發表於 12-10-17 09:47
ABC-DAD  只係咁樣演繹,對捐款人的動機同善意都扭曲得好緊要,有舊生可以捐款同俾自己仔女入讀嘛,如果小 ...
It is because Mr Li request his body guard to go into SPCC to protect/look after his grandson/granddaughter but SPCC rejected, so they went to CIS finally with the body guard with them every day.

To ABD-DAD, I dont object any DSS school who is keen on accepting kids with good family background.


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hophopbunny 發表於 12-10-17 11:54
但照我所知唔讀之後都有捐,有朋友話去年學校news letter之類有提該學年捐成6位定7位數字 ...
Li Ka Shing's sons both went to SPCC, didn't they donate a whole building to the school last year or sth like that?

I was told that the reason why schools such as La Salle, MCS etc. did not convert to DSS was because they are Catholic schools and the Catholic church is against changing to the DSS system as it will mean favoring only children who can afford to pay school fees.

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ABC-DAD  天主教會唔須轉直資去加強辦學自主權咁解啫。如果係津校要爭取辦學自主權要有好強世勢嘅辦學團體先得,聖公會好似對香港嘅學校無太大干預。  發表於 12-10-17 14:24


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發表於 12-10-17 13:41 |只看該作者
GHcat 發表於 12-10-17 00:40
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I did not give anyone any instructions. I just stated my feelings.
i would say SORRY to you as it is a misunderstanding by me about gh primary. i will change my quote and not using gh as example.

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發表於 12-10-17 13:46 |只看該作者
tumtum 發表於 12-10-17 13:04
Li Ka Shing's sons both went to SPCC, didn't they donate a whole building to the school last year or ...
對,應該是教區覺得與其辦學目的相違背,並不是什麼校舍maintenance fees 問題。

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hophopbunny 發表於 12-10-17 00:33
看來樓主都是理想主意者。

針無兩頭利。名校大前提都是保持學校成就, 以end point 來計。先唔好講錢,因 ...
對,我骨子裏係理想主意者,所以才有這樣既擔心。名津校西走人我反而覺得冇問題,跟唔上唔等於學生差,只是教育方式不適合,at least,學生有平等入學機會。亞張五常大教授係HK教育方式被叫做差學生,去西方學育就如魚得水!

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發表於 12-10-17 13:55 |只看該作者
I have not said or meant to imply all donation from parents who do not currently have children in that school is for a return of being admitted to the school.  Only doner knows his/her intention and I believe most doners are voluntary.

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eyschoi 發表於 12-10-17 08:35
Voluntary donation to school by parents is always not an issue but donation to school in order to ge ...
我題目都係講緊後者,但佢地係反而用前者上岡上線,大造文章。哈佛既case,以前覺得係傳説,依家知道是事實。
同樣HK現時没有完善既機制,又同時存在誘因,why現時既myth,將來一定唔會變成truth?
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