協恩轉直資

annie40

唉! 又多一间直資中学!  若是无钱, 点有书读?  未转直資, 已有家長對學校將三成學費用作資助貧困學生感不滿，擔心「變相要幫人交學費」。心理上已存有偏见, 受资助的穷家孩子, 能坦然,面对吗?  

有能力交学费是福气, 何必计较! 做人付出多, 收获更多!

Remarks: 本人是協恩旧生. 从前協恩只是街坊学校, 近年才变名校矣.  未知有否校友出来反对?


協恩轉直資 學費3.5萬
助學金比例高 家長憂「幫人交學費」

文章日期：2011年2月9日
明報專訊】兩年前計劃轉辦直資的九龍城區傳統女校協恩中學，近日已完成持份者諮詢，本月底正式向教育局遞交申請，並爭取在明年9月轉制，初中學費每年3.5萬元。校長劉李國建表示，轉直資後會確保總學費的30%作為學費減免，比例為全港直資校最高，確保無損清貧學生入讀機會。
協恩中學上月底向協恩小學家長舉行直資諮詢會，校長劉李國建接受本報訪問時坦言，部分家長在諮詢會前已就學費問題提出憂慮，亦有家長對學校將三成學費用作資助貧困學生感不滿，擔心「變相要幫人交學費」。
校長﹕不辦貴族直資
劉太回應表示，已向家長保證，協恩不會辦貴族化直資。她說，將來的學費減免會是全港直資校最高，以3人家庭為例，總收入若低於26萬元一年，已可獲100%學費全免，只有總收入高於50萬的家庭不享有助學金。
她重申，學校一直教育學生應支持弱勢社群，經濟較差的學生往往亦有堅強鬥志和抗逆能力，反可作為其他學生的學習對象，希望家長能同舟共濟。
她續稱，有家長曾提到數名子女同時在該校就讀，會出現經濟困難，學校未來會制訂合適的學費援助機制，並個別約見有疑問的小學家長，期望能逐一協助。
在現時津貼辦學模式下，協恩全校有70名教師，劉李國建坦言，轉直資後擬在未來6年增聘30名教師。
擬6年增聘30教師
學校為求令學生擴闊視野，過去數年已安排不同額外聯課活動，如口語、辯論訓練和體育培訓等，未來會進一步靈活運用資源，她說﹕「我們希望日後主科以低於20人一班作小班教學 ，亦會開辦西班牙文或阿拉伯文等外語班，每年更會舉辦一次5日4夜的野外訓練等，這些是現有資源下無法做到。」
望低於20人一班
去年底的直資審計風暴揭發不少直資校帳目混亂，協恩於此時加入直資辦學模式，劉太坦言「難免外界會有不同意見」，但她指出︰「事件正好讓公眾知道，直資學校是接受政府資助，是可供清貧子弟入讀的學校。最重要是，直資學校應為他們提供學費減免，使學費不成為入學顧慮。」

Sorb

近年才变名校矣.....oh, really, then my definition of 名校 maybe different from yours : )  In my defintion, this school is a famous one and is very difficult to enter even in my secondary school time.......which is not a 近年 stuff.......more than 20 years ago lah.  Opps, disclose my age tim : )

I also strongly disagreed it to be turned into a DSS school.

原帖由 annie40 於 11-2-9 12:15 發表
唉! 又多一间直資中学!  若是无钱, 点有书读?  未转直資, 已有家長對學校將三成學費用作資助貧困學生感不滿，擔心「變相要幫人交學費」。心理上已存有偏见, 受资助的穷家孩子, 能坦然,面对吗?  

有能力交学费是福气, ...

Sorb

All DSS and private schools have this subsidy scheme as this is required by EDB when they apply to change to DSS/private, but to be frank, how many parents from low income group will apply DSS and private schools and prepared to apply subsidy when applying these schools.  

原帖由 wunma 於 11-2-15 11:11 發表
校長強調轉直資後, 收生準則不變; 不走貴族路線; 3人家庭總收入不超過50萬已有資助. 如相信校長的話, 轉了直資又有何可惜呢?

annie40

3人家庭總收入不超過50萬已有資助. 当然无理由不敢報讀, 但家庭月人不超过一万, 或申领公援家庭, 怎有胆报读?
我曾是自尊心极重的中学女孩, 为避免同学明示暗示帮我交学费, (teengers could be very cruel),我会自动退学的.  在外读得出色后, 也许校长会做 Head Hunter. 向我招手, 这样我心里会舒服点.

原帖由 wunma 於 11-2-15 12:14 發表
因為很多人的概念, 是直資及私校隨了學費外, 還有頗多其他支出根尾, 但協恩一直是所平民女子中學, 如果你信校長做到所有東西維持不變, 看不到還有任何理由不敢報讀. ...

Sorb

我有胆读 and don't mind applying the subsidy as the school will keep this information confidential, but I think my parents may not have 胆报读 if 家庭月人不超过一万, 或申领公援家庭.........I think they will take a easy way to apply those tution fee free and reasonably good schools.

原帖由 annie40 於 11-2-15 17:47 發表
3人家庭總收入不超過50萬已有資助. 当然无理由不敢報讀, 但家庭月人不超过一万, 或申领公援家庭, 怎有胆报读?
我曾是自尊心极重的中学女孩, 为避免同学明示暗示帮我交学费, (teengers could be very cruel),我会自 ...

annie40

Wuma,

我想我年纪比你大, 从前的贫穷是吃水果是上天保佑, 左边住的哥哥是黑社会,右边住的叔叔是金鱼佬, 前边住的姐姐一家十口, 姐姐九岁要往工廠打工.
今天依然是文盲.  但当年贫苦大众是多数, 大家不觉其苦.
我想今天的贫穷是不容易上Mcdonald, 住东涌的妈妈搭乘巴士要思前想后, 孩子最远去过深圳. 十二岁孩子的爸妈不超于三十岁, 或爸爸已近八十. 贫困家庭已有
太多家庭问题, 太多负担, 不足为外人道, 绝不容易有你这个有guts的妈妈呢, 妈妈不去滥交, 已谢天谢地, 大部分穷家孩子是靠自己爭气的.

我关注的不只在于他们能否有资助去完成学业,  而是富裕的香港社会应关怀保障弱势贫困户, 提供间单直接免费的教育, 尽量做到教育面前是人人平等. 莫须增加他们脱贫之障碍.物

Many international schools has scholarship such as CIS, FIS, RC, DC and HKIS, why not all gifted poor kids have the guts to apply it.  The schools  provide excellent educations at free.  Are those parents silly not to apply it.    佷多家长连scholarship 也未听过, 就像DSS 有资助也未必清楚. 可以怪爸妈吗?

无意冒犯个人的取向, 但感于香港是贫富愈来愈悬殊, 有感而发矣!  如有机会遇到肯上进的穷孩子,  唯望多于鼓励.

Sorb

Annie40, moved by what your have written......and agree with what you have written.  You must be a person with very kind heart.........
  

原帖由 annie40 於 11-2-16 18:19 發表
Wuma,

我想我年纪比你大, 从前的贫穷是吃水果是上天保佑, 左边住的哥哥是黑社会,右边住的叔叔是金鱼佬, 前边住的姐姐一家十口, 姐姐九岁要往工廠打工.
今天依然是文盲.  但当年贫苦大众是多数, 大家不觉其苦.
我想 ...

Sumyeema1

又來 copy 文章： 2/17/2011 經濟日報
http://www.hket.com/eti/article/ ... -981532?section=005


讓基層子女 平等機會讀直資
撰文:葉鏗然
欄名:爾事港

直資學校風波告一段落，帳目混亂可透過當局的行政手段去干預及解決，但今次風波，更深層次的問題，是揭露直資學校貴族化這個[不平等讀書機會]的社會矛盾， 更長遠的問題是如何讓窮學生踏入直資學校的門檻。

當局推動直資學校之初，已強調學生不會因家貧而沒機會入學， 但審計報考卻揭示， 一直以來， 不少之直資都沒把指定學費收入撥做學費減免及獎學金， 亦沒有向家長說明及宣傳資助制度， 令貧窮家長沒有為子女申請。

正如賬委會所言，綜援子女入讀直資學校不獲額外津貼， 對綜援子女失去入讀直資學校機會感到遺憾；不少立法會議員亦提出，政府應藉此次風波，檢討綜援制度，以資助綜援家庭的子女有平等的入讀機會。

社會上亦有聲音指，本港提供免費教育的官津學校為數極多， 而且有多少綜援戶會讓自己的窮孩子走進名校， 增加無形自卑感。

然而，這是一個公平選擇的問題， 縱然免費的官津學校比直資多幾倍，我們卻應給予所有孩子同等機會，公平地按自己意願選校。

基層選擇少 促[開路] 上流

尤其官校面對縮班，而在政府年復年的大力推動下，香港目前已有超過60間直資學校， 今年更愈來愈多津貼名校轉型自資，基層家庭子女的選擇的確逐年減少， 當局應為他們[開路] 上流。

這是事在人為的問題。  學費高達每年數萬元的德望學校，已取錄2 名綜援家庭學生， 學費全免； 人數雖少，卻証明學校可以有健全的資助制度， 讓窮小子有機會藉入讀名校而[出頭]或向上流。 前天文台台長林超英及前民政事務局局長何志平等，都是早年成功出頭的[基層名校生]。

[ 本帖最後由 Sumyeema1 於 11-2-17 14:08 編輯 ]

Sumyeema1

re: 讓基層子女 平等機會讀直資

1。 原來綜援家庭也敢報/讀德望

2。 我的小朋友應該是直資政策的受惠者

3。 為什麼還是[入名校] = [向上流] 的調調

4。 窮孩子入讀官津學校就不能[向上流]？

yumommom

I am a parent of the Heep Yunn Primary School.

I got a few points to raise:
1. I am not objecting the idea of change to DSS of the School. I agree that it might be a way to uphold or improve the quality of education out of better resources and flexibility.

2. My concern is the rate of school fee and the mechanism of school fee waiving/subsidy.
a)I think that the school fee is set at a too high level which will deter the parents' wish to send their daughter to Heep Yunn. And Heep Yunn always claims that she will  go for a "平民式直資" but the fee-charging level seems not that affordable by any 平民, it is really inconsistent. There are a lot of DSS in Hong Kong who charge less than $3000/monthly but still can provide good quality education.

b) For the school fee waiving/subsidy mechanism, those family with income above $580,000 who have to pay the full fee and, according to the design of the scheme, 30% of  these family's contribution goes to subsidize the lower income group. It is unfair to them as these group of family have a lot of expenses and pay heavy tax. In the discussion forum of the website, parents have great resentment on this mechanism and called this as "劫富濟貧"( but in fact those group by no means can be regarded as rich). Those family with monthly income at round @26000 should also pay an affordable portion of the school fee instead.

c) The School claimed that 30% of the fee income will be set aside for the school fee subsidy scheme and that is part of the reason why the School has to set the school fee at such a high level. My point is that it is the ideal thinking of the school and it might not  be working. Parents from grassroot simply would not dare to send their daughters to Heep Yunn if they, at the first instance learned that the school fee is as high as $35000-$38000/annually. If their daughters are smart, there are a lot good subsidized  schools who  eager to take their daughters. They don't have to beg for school fee subsidy at the mercy of the School and take the advantagous of those family who are forced to pay full fee to subsidize them. From the experiences of the existing DSS which are revealed by the Audit Dept of the government, although government had set rule that all the DSS has to set aside 10% fee income to subsidize those students with financial difficullties, a lot of the reserve had not been used up. It reflects that those parents who think that they cannot afford the school fee will simply not bother to apply it.

d) Another point I cannot agree with is the School stated that they charge high school fee because they want to provide more exposure to students. They said they will provide other learning opportunities such as language class(Spanish class/French class) or overseas enxchnange programmes which needs resources. My point is these are not the basic/essential  stuff that all the secondary students should be equipped of. It is fine if you want to have it and pay for it, but not all the parents think that it is essential. Parents rather will welcome to exclude these expenses and lower down the school fee.

3) I am very disappointed that Heep Yunn School did not take care the interest and feelings of the parents of the Primary School seriously. In fact, we are not consulted during the briefing session on 30/1 but was just informed the decision of the School. This is also the first time we are informed the change officially.  But the point is,  we are the stakeholders. The move from the subsidize school mode to a DSS mode has posed great impact and consequences to the parents of the primary school, not the secondary school, nor the kindergarten. It is us who are the most being affected group. Most of the primary school parents, when they choose HYPS a few years before, they got the understanding that providing that their daughters are the top 80% at HYPS, they can go to Heep Yunn School and can continue to enjoy another 6 years free secondary school education(since HYPS-協恩中學附屬小學 is an affliated school of HYS). Henceforth the DSS move did upset the planning of the parents; particularly for those families who got a few daughters in HYPS. It is understandable that parents feel bad and angry. Heep Yunn School is in-debted to us, at least morally !

I really feel disappointed to the HYS !

yumommom

Annie 40,

I shared your good will. I also think that Mrs. Lau,the principal of HYS is kind-hearted and sincere, with a will to recruit those poor but smart girls to HYS.
But I think it does not work. St Paul Co-ed, the principal stated that they did not set limit to the subsidy amount and also write to primary school to invite poor and smart students to the secondary, giving them free school fee but everybody thinks that st paul co-edu is a "noble school" and I guess the grassroot family would not consider it. Afterall, there are still a lot good school free of charge and don't have to "高攀".

The subsidy scheme is with good will but it is not working. If not to deter those grassroot students, simply lower down the school fee is more feasible.

annie40

Wunma,

我的童年一点也不悲情, 只是回头望时, 知道今天孩子和社会跟昨日差异极大.  这些是生命里加多一点色彩吧.

今天的父母是昨日的香港孩子吧, 常怀疑大家是否 患了失忆症, 昨天只有极富贵人家或新界的客家人孩子(有许多亲戚在英国开菜馆) , 才往英国读书, 次等环境的会到加拿大, 澳洲等.  想起去英国ball 男孩要穿tuxedo , 女孩穿晚装, 已知难而退吧.

今天朋友的儿子往英念书, 回港次数是一年最高九次, 回港前已在福临门订台 (不是福临), 这些像是'何东孙子的派场', (可能何东孙子都无) 为何突然间发生在寻常伯姓家? 是香港非常富贵, 还是大家一起扮富贵. 极级支援孩子读书?

能够上blog参考育儿心得的家长, 九成以上的孩子是读书无怎样问题的. 反而我开始担心我阿女做人有无问题. 或是向来是毫无关系, 因为有我这个机灵阿妈, 预早帮她解决一切问题. 就算读完Ivy League, 读完doctor degree, 都唔知是她叻还是我叻. 才是真正的悲情......

好驚, 发梦都会驚醒........

annie40

阿女读书早已抛离我九条街, 又高过我, 大力过我, 整齐过我.有次拿篇文章跟我分享, 五秒后问看完否, 我唯有支吾以对.  然后她吃驚地说原来你是续个字看的, 这一代是超快速时代, 我是拍马也追不上.

學做人係一世既事情, 非常非常同意, 我是四十岁后, 才有点了解自己.可能五十岁后, 又觉得今日的我十分幼稚.
但重要的品格和价值观和生活习惯,  早于二十岁前已基本形成. 二十岁前不懂之事, 望她以后慢慢学, 是父母自己骗自己吧!

你有个大一孩子, 走前我多矣, 性格是差不多成型了, 感觉会沓实点儿.

亲戚孩子中有飞机师, 有读书神童, 有Wall Street才俊. 佷多是 Oxbridge 毕业生, 当中亦有master一级榮譽生, 回港后等进修, 一等近三年, 每天朝八晚八 (佷正常, 对不起是英国时间, 晚上八时起床, 早上八时睡觉) , 不用揾工做, 原因简单, 因为无需要揾食, 阿爸有钱. 他可以继续当隐蔽青年. 这是富裕社会的奇怪现象.  

我常规劝朋友唔好把孩子养得过于肥肥白白, 得閒记住呻穷, 否则他们从来不知 ' 钱从那里来' , 或永远不知阿爸当年是从行街sales 出身赚钱. 吃大排档. 挤巴士诸钱的.

阿女好食好住长大, 好有potential 当隐蔽青年, 所以我要时刻担心和狠心. 无计!

原帖由 wunma 於 11-2-18 16:38 發表


兩個都叻!
在我而言, 仔女叻過父母已經好滿足, 叻過我哋喎, 食菜咁易啦!

何解要咁悲情? 學做人係一世既事情, 唔驚得咁多.