港學童英語能力急跌

rabbitpiggy

原帖由 ysnmama 於 09-12-2 09:48 發表
會不會是現在師資問題呢? 從前能有機會讀英文小學, 傳統名校, 甚至大學. 學生們的水準真的可以保持很好.  反觀現在家長資源豐富了. 學生們更加有機會接受更良好教育. 但各方面質素好像真的大不如以前.


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照計師資現在應更好的, 我以前讀書邊有外籍老師, 邊有專科專教, 邊有英文水平試..

以前教我的英文老師仲教緊我地讀英文子母Z 為"易set"... 但現在我的小朋友KINDER 英文老師已不會咁讀了...

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WYmom

原帖由 rabbitpiggy 於 09-12-2 10:59 發表


可能真係只有middle class 才可以afford 很多的英文playgroup 或不同類型的英文interest class.

但全港的小童都會讀kinder 的, 現在我相信所有kinder 教的英文都會比n 年前的多和深.  

問題出在那兒呢??? 真係百 ...

I think the problems relate more with the easy syllbus of govt primary schools.  Do you notice that some elite schools teach one level higher than the average schools to raise the English standard of their students?  

As most kinders are private, they teach higher level of English, but when students join primary, the standard may drop gradually if the syllbus is comparatively easy.

bowling68

我覺得問題係中中, 朋輩影響, 同太多娛樂, NDS, PSP, MSN, Facebook, all these attracts the youngsters more time in leisure than study.

flostangraphy

do you think there is anything does about the language environment?
nowadays, the parents are more protective than before thus children don't really have chances to play with other children...
with all the activities and classes they have.... most of time, the child just say hi, then lesson, and say good bye...
how many hours does the child really spend with their friends??

i do think practice english with NEF (native english friends) is more effective than NET...

mamimummy

個個學生急功近利, 都係exam-oriented, 要精讀, tip題目, 記最少, 背得叻, 而家的小朋友是"等"mami點樣幫佢地3級跳, 而不是自己想辦法, 最後"吃完速效藥"得完一張張證書,獎狀又不是原地踏步, 知識始終是日積月累的才能牢記,用心學過才能懂得運用化成自己的學問, 水過duck背,急功近利的學習模式,  何來真章可見.

原帖由 Charlotte_mom 於 09-12-2 11:09 發表
agree!
而家香港考試制度好怪, 個個學生急功近利, 都係exam-oriented, 要精讀, tip題目, 記最少, 背得叻, 寫得快
唸起當年我d同學去xx補習天王班, 連英文作文都係一句句咁背, 以求出奇制勝拎高分, 咁攪法, 一跳出考 ...

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mamimummy

with all the activities and classes they have.... most of time, the child just say hi, then lesson, and say good bye...
how many hours does the child really spend with their friends??  they just learn in a blocked area. No real learning life - communication with peers.

i do think practice english with NEF (native english friends) is more effective than NET

原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-12-2 11:42 發表
do you think there is anything does about the language environment?
nowadays, the parents are more protective than before thus children don't really have chances to play with other children...
with  ...

daisy17772

Yes living / playing with people who speak English is essential.

gingerale

差點都忘記z是讀“2-set”﹐ 但我都是二十幾歲在美加生活時才知道沒人這樣讀。  剛到那裡﹐要分“z” 和 “c” 實在很難呢﹗

原帖由 rabbitpiggy 於 09-12-2 11:10 發表


照計師資現在應更好的, 我以前讀書邊有外籍老師, 邊有專科專教, 邊有英文水平試..

以前教我的英文老師仲教緊我地讀英文子母Z 為"易set"... 但現在我的小朋友KINDER 英文老師已不會咁讀了... ...

gingerale

同意﹐但玩不能天天玩﹐也不能一整天在英語環境中﹐除非是英文小學。其實英文小學里學到最多英文的不是英文科﹐而是GS﹐當我看到我子女可以看和讀GS科本﹐和自己看懂題目考試﹐我覺得他們的英語水平在同年的小學生來說已是不差的了。  同時﹐他們也“被迫”跟一些不會中文的同學講英文﹐聽起來也頭頭是道。

原帖由 daisy17772 於 09-12-2 12:27 發表
Yes living / playing with people who speak English is essential.

gingerale

奇怪﹐幼稚園和小學就越教越深﹐中學就越學越淺﹐到底是什麼道理﹖

原帖由 WYmom 於 09-12-2 11:14 發表


I think the problems relate more with the easy syllbus of govt primary schools.  Do you notice that some elite schools teach one level higher than the average schools to raise the English standard o ...

waiwaibaba

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-12-2 13:07 發表
奇怪﹐幼稚園和小學就越教越深﹐中學就越學越淺﹐到底是什麼道理﹖

I think this is 1 further reason to choose a thru-train or near thru-train primary school if possible to ensure consistency in curriculum, teaching style and value throughout

daisy17772

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-12-2 13:01 發表
同意﹐但玩不能天天玩﹐也不能一整天在英語環境中﹐除非是英文小學。其實英文小學里學到最多英文的不是英文科﹐而是GS﹐當我看到我子女可以看和讀GS科本﹐和自己看懂題目考試﹐我覺得他們的英語水平在同年的小學生來說已是不差的了 ...

My personal opinion is even studying at English local school is inadequate to reach high in both vocal and written English proficiency, but it's better than none.  If possible, let them exposure more in English, e.g. I set a few English days every week, so the whole family has to talk in English, accompany them to listen to / watch news, documentary or children programme in English, of course, reading English books.

smartmatt

原帖由 flostangraphy 於 09-12-2 11:42 發表
do you think there is anything does about the language environment?
nowadays, the parents are more protective than before thus children don't really have chances to play with other children...
with  ...

environment is most critical...what has changed in the last 10 years...

...more immigrants - changing culture
...teachers are under more pressure
...school system gone and went thru the Mother language - leadership of our government???
...university are easier before it was 8% and now 25%, standards of graduates entering the workforce are even lower
...we still don't speak English in everyday situations
... new system of smaller classes will put more pressure on teachers
...new secondary system will put more pressure on teachers as more activity bases learning and more work assessments, usually basics suffers
...past 10 yrs the economy has been on roller coaster as such more and more people need to work longer hours to make a living, less time for family and kids

Relative rest of SE Asia, we are in no man land, our average standards of English or Mandarin can't compare to our neighbors.

waiwaibaba

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daisy17772

原帖由 waiwaibaba 於 09-12-2 14:45 發表


Hmm- Friday and Sat nights at Lan Kwai Fong may be more helpful to brush up oral English though ......

Not a bad idea, learn to do small talk in English, but it would not be the kind of oral English you want your child to learn at this stage jer!

Charlotte_mom

但學返黎d英文可能唔係太文雅

原帖由 waiwaibaba 於 09-12-2 02:45 PM 發表
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dvb

問題會否在於那份研究報告本身.

How the research was conducted is very important.  Is the conclusion fair or not?

要現時大學生的英文比從前的好是不可能的.  大學生多了這麼多, 平均能力一定不及精英制.  所以平均能力下降是必然的, 不用太緊張.  This is the LAW OF AVERAGE.

依我眼見, 我相信學生整體英語能力應比以前好得多.  若只拿最叻果2000人跟以前最叻果2000人比, 現時的學生英語能力應比以前好, 還要好好多.

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flostangraphy

that's right, bring the kids there at around 12am, there is another common language they can learn; "the Alcoholish".

原帖由 waiwaibaba 於 2/12/2009 14:45 發表


Hmm- Friday and Sat nights at Lan Kwai Fong may be more helpful to brush up oral English though ......

daisy17772

原帖由 wootaitai 於 09-12-2 14:49 發表
But amongst the kids I know everybody can speak in english and they can read books... I wonder why it will deteriorate when they grow up.

Yes, they might not have perfect accent but they have good vo ...

Oral and written are two things.  One can speak English well doesn't mean he/she can write good English.
I observed that personality and confidence play a role.  In my previous work, even some graduates from HK top uni, they don't speak good English, written english is better than their oral.  A person who is not afraid of speaking up (it doesn't matter about its accent or sentence structure), since they're willing to talk and are not shy about themselves, they gradually improve their oral English. In business world, business writing is different, so the more they write and read others passage, the better they write business writing.

The kind of magazines / books they read will definitely affect their proficiency.  If children read more those "hip" magazines when they grow up, of course affecting both Chinese and English.

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