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	113141

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引用：Quote:原帖由+cow+於+15-09-19+發表我在這

原帖由 lui 於 15-09-19 發表
你方才踩IB 少人不合格，故推論為易，現改囗風話港生能力高？為何改囗風呢？

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部分家長不知 lB 都是水平對照，兩者合格分數，大家不同，點比數呢！

我多年前問過阿仔，他都講 lB 攞 Dip 是易過 33222，不是題目深淺，是改卷方法及標準答案的理念不同。他喜歡用不同方法計數，在IB 是鼓勵的，用不同方法都可以攞滿分，在DSE你不跟標準答案(不理是否合理)，Die hard！

其實家長應該針對 NSS 學制，及 DSE 的出卷及評估方法 (死亡之卷產生原因)，而非針對其他學制及國際學歷！

另一方面，NJ提高收生透明度，我是贊成的，我知十分困難展示出來，但都要開始！

但 NJ 比率現時是沒有上限，海外學生則有20%上限，不少家長將馮京作馬涼。但講到大家都是納稅人，點解因為讀其他學制就剝奪在香港升學，因為較有$就不准在香港入神科。

所以，我覺得有需要重整香港不同大學的收生方法及透明度！

我亦跟一些教授反映過，點解唔整個換算表，一了百了！他們說這是UGC及EDB的範疇，不是大學能夠做到。

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to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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我看過DSE的評卷報告，和坊間三姑六婆的耳語標準式答案卻有不同。首先，就卷和答案出自大學學者之手，好幾重關才出現，其次，解卷員要經培訓，且解卷員都是資深教師，理應知道何者對何者錯。又有抽樣機制，又可以向上級提意見。最後不服可覆卷，聽説翻案率極低，最最後，都可出錢看卷，但求個明白。孩子小學同學有人得到8A，不信自己考得那麼好，出錢看卷，才知自己真是答得精采無比。至於收甚麼學生，向來院校自理，但憑良心。見人説人話，見鬼説鬼話的所謂高層人員，推捨職任而已。

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引用：我看過DSE的評卷報告，和坊間三姑六婆的耳

原帖由 andrew 於 15-09-19 發表
我看過DSE的評卷報告，和坊間三姑六婆的耳語標準式答案卻有不同。首先，就卷和答案出自大學學者之手，好幾 ...

好清楚明白你立場, 但如你再用三姑六婆等唔尊重字眼, 可能不可再在此發言

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andrew 我一向不是立場行先。三姑六婆是事實。有料的不會亂説垃圾發表於 15-9-20 10:57

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Sorry to interrupt the discussion. However, I do have something to share.

According to my understanding, the "super subjects" of the universities in Hong Kong would admit the "best" students out of different cohorts.

For example, "medicine" usually admits the top 0.5% to 1.0% of DSE students. For the NJ applicants, they would usually admit the top 0.5% to 1.0% of the cohorts of your education system. If 43 points of IB in a certain year represents the top 1.0% of the cohort, the universities would admit IB students (through the NJ route) of 43 points or above. Basically, it is fair for JUPAS applicants and NJ applicants to compete the spots of the "super subjects". Of course, there are exceptional cases but the number should be small.

I have friends whose daughters respectively obtains 41 IB points this year and 7 AP fives plus SAT 2,250 this year plus 4 SAT II subjects (ranging from 780 to 800). The IB applicant applied for admission of law of CU and HKU. The AP applicant applied for admission to medicine CU and HKU.

The end result is that the AP applicant received no offers and the IB applicant only received an offer from CU for law.

So it is quite clear that it is no easy for NJ students to be admitted to the "super subjects" in Hong Kong through the NJ route. You have to be the top 0.5% to 1.0% percent of your cohort in order to be competitive with the JUPAS students. In my opinion, it is incorrect to say that NJ students (e.g. IB students) are relatively easy to be admitted by the universities to their "super subjects".

The IB applicant eventually settles in a top college in London for law and the AP applicant eventually attends an Ivy college.

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發表於 15-9-20 11:32 |只看該作者

andrew 發表於 15-9-19 23:27
我看過DSE的評卷報告，和坊間三姑六婆的耳語標準式答案卻有不同。首先，就卷和答案出自大學學者之手，好幾 ...

Your whole long paragraph doesn't demonstrate a bit how DSE is not marked according to standard answers but only elaborate the qualification of the persons who produced the STANDARD ANSWERS and the markers.
And your comments are so rude and insulting, not only labeling people 三姑六婆 but also defaming university professors as hypocritical 見人說人話，見鬼説鬼話.

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發表於 15-9-20 12:02 |只看該作者

回覆：caa 的帖子

其實，只要上網查詢一下，一考完DSE，或放榜後，就見到不少評論有關出題及改卷的問題！

特別是中文科，大家都記得有記者訪問原作者的創作意念，跟所謂標準答案是南轅北轍，甚麼學者？甚麼閱卷員又如果！

我聽到一個笑話，那件事後，以後考評局出中文卷，一定搵作者死了的文章作參考，標準答案就「死無對證」！

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 15-9-20 13:54 |只看該作者

引用：其實，只要上網查詢一下，一考完DSE，或放

原帖由 ANChan59 於 15-09-20 發表
其實，只要上網查詢一下，一考完DSE，或放榜後，就見到不少評論有關出題及改卷的問題！

印象中去年其中一個狀元都講中文高分要揣摩到改卷員要求, 聽到好無奈。時常鼓勵新一代要創新, 但到考試又一套

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Shootastar 發表於 15-9-20 10:35
Sorry to interrupt the discussion. However, I do have something to share.

According to my understan ...

我反而想知考ap 果個死因係咩？

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發表於 15-9-20 22:31 |只看該作者

好多IB高分去讀其他科的, 原因:家庭環境好D, 仔女想讀就讀, 不論將來搵到錢與否. 近年, 45分讀音樂, 生物, 工程, ECON, 英文都有. 四十幾讀BBA, 心理多的是呢

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發表於 15-9-21 11:36 |只看該作者

回覆 samsam123321 的帖子

If you use the AP qualification to make the application, the admission officer would assess your qualification in the way your education system would do.
Most of the famous colleges in USA would adopt a holistic approach to assess your application. Honestly, no one is certain about the result. The uncertainty is too much. For example, your ECA is not impressive or you do not demonstrate you have the leadership skill. Nobody knows which factor plays a crucial role. Maybe his interview is not impressive because he has had certain offers from top US colleges.

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發表於 15-9-21 13:23 |只看該作者

一個題目，帶出左好多切入點；都好值得討論落去。

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發表於 15-9-21 13:49 |只看該作者

本帖最後由 Artie 於 16-3-4 13:36 編輯

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本帖最後由 ABC-DAD 於 15-9-21 13:57 編輯

有趣嘅係部分家取態傾向分開IB生同港生，透出一陣門第階級的優越感，由其在大學收生這題目上有好多攻防，着墨處都帶出少少不平、不公和不忿；個人對IB嘅CAS/ TOK好有興趣，但好少有用家網友有較入肉嘅描繪，可惜。

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發表於 15-9-21 23:16 |只看該作者

ABC-DAD 發表於 15-9-21 13:53
有趣嘅係部分家取態傾向分開IB生同港生，透出一陣門第階級的優越感，由其在大學收生這題目上有好多攻防，着 ...

Did you check the IBO website and get some basic info ?

God grant me the serenity
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courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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發表於 15-9-22 09:25 |只看該作者

chanpa Chi, Eng and LS are greatest barrier to science students while the science subjects are a little bit 發表於昨天 22:47

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Barrier? Why should a language class be a barrier?
Why science students should be excused from being able to have reasonable language skills? Why should science students be excused from studying LS?
All IB students take 2 languages plus TOK + EE.

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Yanamami 所以我覚得如chanpa為避考DSE 中同LS而轉IB係唔work! 發表於 15-9-23 09:30

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ANChan59 發表於 15-9-21 23:16
Did you check the IBO website and get some basic info ?

There have been lots of discussions about TOK + EE on EK. Those that have genuine interest in IB should have noticed.

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發表於 15-9-22 10:39 |只看該作者

回覆 andrew 的帖子

廢話! 試卷機制有乜關係?

今日佳句: 我以往也以為國際板的家長也有質素，但現在才知deal with 一些麻煩家長也不易！

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發表於 15-9-22 12:00 |只看該作者

ANChan59 發表於 15-9-21 23:16
Did you check the IBO website and get some basic info ?

I would rather wait for some personl recap.I may not good enough to read the web but I got my dictionaries.

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發表於 15-9-22 12:07 |只看該作者

I didn't read passionated experience of Tok but just arguments of how outstanding it is only. Why show off how good lB students' languages vs DSE's students whom studying English as second language? If uni take. DSE nI...

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發表於 15-9-22 12:19 |只看該作者

本帖最後由 ABC-DAD 於 15-9-23 12:25 編輯

ABC-DAD 發表於 15-9-22 12:07
I didn't read passionated experience of Tok but just arguments of how outstanding it is only. Why sh ...

If uni accepted Students from both systems. Should we respect them fairly? Is it or is it not educated personnel should behaved? By the way, Point someone if he read certain data does not teach anything but try to be rude only,no matter What titles on you(r) name card. I am fine. Excuse me!

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