升中要揀增植學校

angel333

我哋不需只有投訴、不去實幹的老師、校長。選校要選有教學承担的學校。細心看看,很多熱門學校都是負增植學校。

昨天報章節錄：1961年，司徒華到剛開校的葛量洪校友會觀塘學校任校長，最初只教故事班，向小一、小二的學生講故事。開校首兩年，升中試只有兩名學生考得中學學位，「同事同我講，話徙置區啲學生係咁，質素太差，我頂住條氣，覺得佢侮辱咗啲學生，就去教升中學班。他教中文和數學，第一課教學生唱民謠《讀書郎》，「不是為做官，也不是為臉子光，只為窮人有翻身呀，不受人欺負，不做牛和羊」。結果全班 39名學生均考得中學學位，彪炳成績更引來記者追訪。

ANChan59

"細心看看,很多熱門學校都是負增植學校。"

I am very interested in the link or sources of info.

Value-added base on datum or student intake level, lower intake level have a better chance to have high +ve value-added. If the intake standard so high, base on diminishing return, their value-added may be level or a minor +ve or -ve value-added finally.

Am I correct?

So Band 2 students or bottom Band 1 students have bigger chance for +ve value-added. I don't say Band 3 students, as the learning environment and peer influence may be more negative.

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-5 15:06 編輯 ]

ANChan59

www.ied.edu.hk/.../e01-pwwai-hk%20principal%20conference%20(19.3.04). ppt

Found a ppt from IEd which explain the principle of the SVAIS and their limitations - like only measure HKCEE & HKAL examination results only, other dimensions like ECA and some subjects are not counted. Also, some schools have many students study overseas before F5, the results are not reliable.

Also, schools can't use as promotion according to EDB. You can see most schools don't use the report, so who use those report, and why EDB keeps quiet.

Use it carefully.

angel333

我所提的文章沒有提及增植/負增植的問題，我只是看到華叔的榜樣後有感而發。
每年全港中一入學的同學是有做一個分班試，所以全港中學所收的學生水平是有一個客觀數據，有些中學也在
school report 中提及此數據。比對此批學生HKCEE
成績是很有參考價值，但教统局多年來的政策都不想中、小學精英化，故一般家長是沒有可能掌握相關資料。

ANChan59

Noted. Uncle Wah definitely was a great teacher.......

Why I rasied so many questions, as so many media and parents misintrepretated those reports and undermined the limitations.

ChiChiPaPa

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-1-5 15:03 發表
"細心看看,很多熱門學校都是負增植學校。"

I am very interested in the link or sources of info.

Value-added base on datum or student intake level, lower intake level have a better chance to have high + ... So Band 2 students or bottom Band 1 students have bigger chance for +ve value-added. I don't say Band 3 students, as the learning environment and peer influence may be more negative.

女拔盡收精英，但由她的 school report 中可見她是最高增值學校之一（9級增值）。女拔並非唯一高增值的知名學校。

收 Band 2 學生的學校並沒有比 Band One 學校有更佳機會去取得高增值。每一組別的學校都有高增值和負增值學校。

ANChan59

原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 11-1-5 16:48 發表

女拔盡收精英，但由她的 school report 中可見她是最高增值學校之一（9級增值）。女拔並非唯一高增值的知名學校。

收 Band 2 學生的學校並沒有比 Band One 學校有更佳機會去取得高增值。每一組別的學校都有高增值和負增 ...

Thanks for your clarification. I also reviewed the ppt and have better understanding about the system.

You mentioned about +9 is not the max, the rating is between -10 to +10. Also, the rating is a relative scale and not absolute value.

If Ed-city put those info into "Overview of Secondary School", which can be very useful for parents

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-5 18:32 編輯 ]

ChiChiPaPa

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-1-5 18:19 發表


Thanks for your clarification. I also reviewed the ppt and have better understanding about the system.

You mentioned about +9 is not the max, the rating is between -10 to +10. Also, the rating is  ...

Stanine 九位數（或標準9分）是不會有10的，亦沒有負數。

你所說只是 Value Added Score，增值數字最後會以 Stanine 來把學校的 value-added performance 分類。


請參看SVAIS的網址：

https://svais.edb.gov.hk/src/help/faqs.asp

[ 本帖最後由 ChiChiPaPa 於 11-1-5 21:19 編輯 ]

ANChan59

Pls refer to the bottom of the description.

https://svais.edb.gov.hk/src/latest/Manual/default.htm

We may talk about different contexts.

elbar

原帖由 ChiChiPaPa 於 11-1-5 16:48 發表


女拔盡收精英，但由她的 school report 中可見她是最高增值學校之一（9級增值）。女拔並非唯一高增值的知名學校。

收 Band 2 學生的學校並沒有比 Band One 學校有更佳機會去取得高增值。每一組別的學校都有高增值和負增 ...

以下知名學校應是高增值：

DGS, SPCC, SPCS & MCS

ANChan59

原帖由 elbar 於 11-1-5 23:29 發表


以下知名學校應是高增值：

DGS, SPCC, SPCS & MCS

Any sources or links?

ChiChiPaPa

原帖由 elbar 於 11-1-5 23:29 發表


以下知名學校應是高增值：

DGS, SPCC, SPCS & MCS

同意。

DGS，Annual Report 有提供增值九位數
SPCS，Comprehensive Review Report 有講

由於教育局不鼓勵學校公開增值數字，SPCC和MCS無公開最新的資料，但...
SPCC，04年報紙報導—高增值
MCS，03年報紙公佈的全港正增值學校之一

judy

我哋不需只有投訴、不去實幹的老師、校長。選校要選有教學承担的學校。細心看看,很多熱門學校都是負增植學校。

Angel,

請問邊度睇到增值數据呢？

ANChan，

昨天根据ChiChiPaPa的link上去看看，增值的慨念其實簡單。政府用升中分班試的成績，加上一些变量(例如年齡、性別、男女校等)，和會考成績，做線性迥歸分析(我估)，得到一條方程。一個升中学生，只要將他的資料輸入方程，就能預測其會考成績。將來此學生考了會考，得到真正成績，和預計的一比，如較好即正增值，較差即負增值。至於甚麼9級增值，大慨以统計法(用平均數、方差)，將增值分成9級而己，具體怎分法，不知。stanine即是用统計的方法將全港學校分九組。

KK07

http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=7999&langno=1

Comprehensive Review of SPCS can be find from the above link.  Can't find the other 3 schools' review.

原帖由 ANChan59 於 11-1-5 23:36 發表


Any sources or links?

ANChan59

Judy

Thanks for your clarification. I guess they are using multi-variants analysis (MVA) to do so, you are right, linear multiple regression is one of them.

From my understanding, EDB tried to group schools into different levels, but how to differentiate or select is not clear. Base on bands, districts, EMI or CMI etc etc....... But the info is limited....

I am interested in this topic as my research also using MVA in business research applications. Nevermind, it's not important.

ANChan59

[ 本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 11-1-6 14:43 編輯 ]