國際學校升學問題

mandy_ng207

回覆 licpd 的帖子

I agree with you that character building needs input from the parents too, not just from the school. But I think one has to think twice before sending a kid to IS kinder, as there is no Chinese teaching and students may need extra effort in learning Chinese as they enter LS primary. What I observe so far between LS and IS parents is that they are of different style, and their focus on parenting is quite different. Perhaps this is the true reason why the two cohort of students behave so differently.

shadeslayer

lui 發表於 17-9-20 23:48
But only 1 year earlier I supposed its not a concern. They are 17 when they are graduated.

Question is why?

licpd

回覆 mandy_ng207 的帖子

Agreed everything you said. There is no perfect system so as long as you understand what's missing in it and parents can help to provide the missing pieces such as Chinese training. I don't think ANY KG can teach kids much in Chinese or English reading, if you leave your child to school, even at LS your kid's Chinese reading proficiency is at best mediocre.

torunpoland

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As far as I know, Logos is considering restoring a 12-year system. The additional year may be designed as something non-academic year, after which the students can go for the DSE at an age similar to their competitors.
Only those up to a certain standard can be allowed into IB class, at Logos, with an upper limit of course.

hkpapa852

poonseelai 發表於 17-9-20 19:06
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參考真道書院2014-2015年校務報告 (PDF P.62,63)

68 (52.7%) out of 139 graduates were accepted by local bachelor’s degree programs. More than last year, 17 (13.2%) students had offer from overseas bachelor’s degree programs. The total percentage of studying bachelor’s degree programs was 65.9%. Another 27 graduates (21%) were admitted to local were admitted to local associate’s degree/higher diploma/foundation programs. 13 students (10.1%) had offer from overseas associate’s degree/higher diploma/foundation programs. The total percentage of studying a total percentage of studying atotal percentage of studying associate’s degree/higher diploma/foundation programs was 31.1%.

有咩問題呢?

大家計一計, 68/139 = ? %

點解"全部"百份比, 個份母都係用 129, 而唔係 139, 甚至 140 呢? (以P.62 DSE考生+IBDP考生人數去計, 應該有97+43 = 140人喎!)

再睇番DSE成績, 話只有8個人取得25分或以上(佢無講係Best 5, 咁即係總分, 當6科總分得25分, 只係較大機會可取得8大資助學士學位), 証明DSE學生既成績明顯較遜色, 能以DSE成績入U既比例應該好低.

不過真道係2015-2016年既校務報告已刪去人數, 等大家無得計. 睇番真道2015-2016年DSE成績, 取得25分或以上人數/比例和2014-2015年相差不遠 (只差4人), 加IBDP上平均分亦較2014-2015年下跌, 所以兩年既入U率應該差不多.

2015-2016年是否真係有60.9%學生可升讀學士學位 (本地+海外)呢?
真道2015-2016年考DSE有128人, 得12人有25分或以上, 考IBDP有43人, 全級合共171人, 當DSE取得25分或以上和IBDP學生全部能升讀degree, 都合共55人 (~32.2%), 同佢講既 60.9% (以全級人數計係 104人), 相差頗遠.

而家不少 LS 學校公佈既公開試成績, 同入U率, 計算方法都有好多"特點".

hkpapa852

shadeslayer 發表於 17-9-20 20:58
其實為乜加快一年咁多？唔會係最短時間內教最多的東西，吸引學生報名，咁膚淺吓嗎？
...

校長認為, LS學制同IB學制, 都有不少"浪費時間"既學習模式, 學生應該要不斷學習, 所以考完試都要繼續教書, 放完暑假要測番暑期作業內容......

真道校長訪問:
http://www1.hkej.com/features/article?q=%23%E5%B9%BC%E5%B0%8F%E5%AD%B8%E5%BA%9C%23&suid=2076387506

節錄:

曹校長續說，例如無論是IB課程還是DSE課程，有否一些不是必要學習的？那就索性刪除。加上其他學校於考試後，大多設有各式活動，但真道書院卻於考試後繼續教書……經各種政策整理後，學校便成功為學生騰出一年空間。（一般中小學學制共有12個學年）

poonseelai

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 09:50
校長認為, LS學制同IB學制, 都有不少"浪費時間"既學習模式, 學生應該要不斷學習, 所以考完試都要繼續教書,  ...

看來大家对"學習"是指學業定包括其他體驗，有不同看法

poonseelai

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 09:46
參考真道書院2014-2015年校務報告 (PDF P.62,63)

68 (52.7%) out of 139 graduates were accepted by loca ...

我都看到你指分母問題，school report 何以会有這種錯誤？

hkpapa852

poonseelai 發表於 17-9-21 10:06
看來大家对"學習"是指學業定包括其他體驗，有不同看法

所以, 大家不要"美化", 甚至"神化"開辦雙學制的學校.

hkpapa852

poonseelai 發表於 17-9-21 10:07
我都看到你指分母問題，school report 何以会有這種錯誤？

或者你睇吓我呢一個帖, 可能會有所啟發, 簡單一點: 粉飾厨窗

https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3530763&extra=page%3D2

lui

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 10:09
或者你睇吓我呢一個帖, 可能會有所啟發, 簡單一點: 粉飾厨窗

https://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod= ...

Per the principal presentation to parents, 2017 graduates , out of 159 students, 66% getting into local and overseas degree. 30% getting into sub degree ,4% data missing .

hkpapa852

lui 發表於 17-9-21 10:33
Per the principal presentation to parents, 2017 graduates , out of 159 students, 66% getting into l ...

Did the principal give you the exact figure about the number of student?

lui

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 10:36
Did the principal give you the exact figure about the number of student?

It states that out of 159 students .....66%go to local and overseas degree in one go. 30% go to sub degree.

咁你都可以話佢老作既，如果你直覺認為。

hkpapa852

lui 發表於 17-9-21 10:38
It states that out of 159 students .....66%go to local and overseas degree in one go. 30% go to sub ...

Next time, pls help to ask the principal to explain the differences of figure and the % found in 2014-2015 school report

hkpapa852

lui 發表於 17-9-21 10:38
It states that out of 159 students .....66%go to local and overseas degree in one go. 30% go to sub ...

是否所有校長講的, 都一定是"事實"呢?

以前我會相信係, 但近年眼見, 校方通常只喜歡選撰性發佈對學校有利既訊息.....

又睇下呢一幅某津貼小學, 校長係簡介會時發放既資料, 有咩問題:

lui

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 10:40
Next time, pls help to ask the principal to explain the differences of figure and the % found in 201 ...

我對DSE計分不清。school report states that 63% achieve the minimum requirement of entering into local subsidiaries university. 即系幾多分？入u 最水的科收緊幾多分？
81個DSE 入面（63%有最低資格）有幾多可以入local u 不知道？
如果81人內有70%入到加IB全部入到，咁171人有約60%入到u.不過我想講所有學校如何搜集资料？都系學生自己上報，咁是否要admission offer才count ,我真系唔知。

hkpapa852

lui 發表於 17-9-21 10:51
我對DSE計分不清。school report states that 63% achieve the minimum requirement of entering into loc ...

achieve the minimum requirement of entering into local subsidiaries university.

即係符合 3322 既要求

但過去幾年, 符合3322之餘, 尚需要5科合計要至少20分, 或6科24分先可以取得8大資助學士學位

當然, 要取得珠海, 明愛 既自資學士學位, 要求可以低好多, 甚至只要 3322 + 33 都有機會

其實學校每年都會收到所有學生既DSE成績, 要估計到佢地有幾大機會以DSE成績入到U, 其實唔會太難, 而且要調查畢業生去向, 除非大部份學生對學校毫無歸屬感, 否則都無乜可能計唔到.

至少, 係曾見過近200間學校既資料, 大部份都只有不足5%學生去向係不明

lui

lui 發表於 17-9-21 10:51
我對DSE計分不清。school report states that 63% achieve the minimum requirement of entering into loc ...

我又check 下考到33222今年計2萬人，學位有1.3萬個，即65%人可入。如果用在學校計算上是否合理？而另外小部分是入外國大學？，始終佢給的是local + overseas U 的數據。overseas 某D大學收生會比本地鬆是合理。當然我認同佢DSE真系麻地

hkpapa852

lui 發表於 17-9-21 11:00
我又check 下考到33222今年計2萬人，學位有1.3萬個，即65%人可入。如果用在學校計算上是否合理？而另外小 ...

1.3萬個UGC學位, 唔係全部留俾JUPAS, 係JUPAS同NON-JUPAS一齊爭

真道DSE考生取得25分人數得DSE考得既10%唔夠, 就算IBDP個43人入晒U, DSE個邊有幾多人夠"資格"入到U呢?
定係大量去升讀珠海, 明愛既自資學士呢?

shadeslayer

hkpapa852 發表於 17-9-21 09:50
校長認為, LS學制同IB學制, 都有不少"浪費時間"既學習模式, 學生應該要不斷學習, 所以考完試都要繼續教書,  ...

這是近乎補習社思維。

Cardiff Sixth Form College 有D人唔覺得佢係正統學校就係咁解。