Please share: Worried about their Chinese level?

Vrindavan

如何教幼兒學習識字閱讀 ~ 胡雁

precious

summer123 寫道:
給每一位媽媽的忠告

在家裏多多和孩子說中文。

在家裏多多和孩子閱讀中文故事書。

Sandrine

You mentioned that you have a friend's kid also going to Phoenix. Can you share with me more on this?

CherylMum,
Please check pm

misslam04

I am a full-time primary teacher in Hong Kong. I teach Chinese and Putonghua in my school and I have been a private tutor for over 10 years. You can pm me if interested.

justjust

IngridMaMa, 很認同你的睇法﹐我自己的睇法也差不多。小女現在只唸lower nursery﹐相信日後會讀國際學校﹐我也希望他日我可以在中文幫她一把﹐目的和你一樣﹕
我唔會迫個女要學到好叻, 但keep住日日學下認字, write數行字, 識講識睇都唔錯la

至於揀選學校是一個頭疼的問題﹐語言當然是一個重大考慮因素﹐但其他因素如學校方針﹐辦學團體﹐師資﹐資源﹐收費﹐自己家庭環境狀況等等我們也會續一考慮。相信不同人對不同因素有不同的比重。

我想學習一種語言是認識一種文化的一部份﹐但總不是全部吧。如本身不精通語言﹐鑽研歷史﹐藝術﹐社會行為等等應該也可幫補一點吧。我想說的是懂一種語言故然百利而無一害﹐但若因某因素而不懂﹐也不用被看作不尊重那文化。

再說把揀選學校和語言學習﹐認識文化拉上一起﹐我認為不是那麼簡單地加一個等號或不等號。

Vrindavan

我想學習一種語言是認識一種文化的一部份﹐但總不是全部吧。如本身不精通語言﹐鑽研歷史﹐藝術﹐社會行為等等應該也可幫補一點吧。我想說的是懂一種語言故然百利而無一害﹐但若因某因素而不懂﹐也不用被看作不尊重那文化。

Agree.
e.g.
I know nothing about Japanese language,
but I can still study Japanese culture.

wcllks

Hi Stccmc:

Do you identify anyone here thinks as extreme as Jacky Cheung?  Up to now, I still don't see any mom here explicitly says that she is not going to allow her children to learn Chinese.

I can see that people here have different views on the relative importance of the two languages.  However, I don't think we can have a very simply right quantitative answer on what weights we should put on the two languages.  We are all different and we must think differently in order to be different.  I don't see any problem in that as long as it is not too too too too extreme.

justjust

土生土長在一個地方﹐選的學校卻不學那地方語言﹐更甚是有些父母刻意迴避學習機會﹐著實是有點兒奇怪﹐和一般人不同。

所以揀選國際學校父母的是少數﹐國際學校的數目也是少數。有些家長是移民回流﹐有些是為子女他日移民或到外國升學做準備﹐有些是對國際學校的教育方式或理念更有信心﹐有些是個別家庭環境因素﹐當然也不排除有些是盲目追隨。

無論為了甚麼原因﹐選了入讀國際學校﹐多了學其他語言的機會﹐相對自然少了學當地語言的機會。關鍵是在於父母的態度如何﹐有否在學習當地語言﹐認識當地文化方面多予鼓勵和機會﹐子女本身有否把握這些機會。所以我說學校、語言、文化之間不是簡單的一個等號或不等號。

觀乎四周﹐入讀本地學校的是大多數﹐而能聽能看能寫能說好中文的少了一大截﹐能對中國文化有興趣和認識的又少了一大截。家長是提供了環境因素﹐結果理想與否因人而異。同樣﹐入讀國際學校﹐家長並未放棄讓子女學習中文﹐正是想補足學校未能提供的環境因素﹐結果同樣也會因個別因素而各有不同。

至於選了國際學校而不費心子女學習當地語言的﹐可能是屬於盲目追隨那一類﹐又或真的做到是“國際人”﹐應該是選國際學校的少數家長中的少數。盲目追隨的怎麼說也說不明白他們；“國際人”做到了無根境界﹐是有根的人難以明白的。那我們何必這麼執著﹐堅持一方明白甚至認同另一方的看法呢？

samyung

Justjust, your opinion is reasonable and fair.

cpmummy

stccmc,

I think everyone here understand what you thought, as you have already mentioned clearly not only once but several times.
No once intend to convince you and as you said you couldn't convince anyone with different thought with you.

Should we go back to the topic to help Cherlymun what parent could do to improve kid's chinese standard?

Cherlymun,

Have you been the Crystal's showroom?
They sell alot of story books, song books and flash cards, I think those are quite good but the price are abit high.
I bought some "o Po" books in book exhibition this July, I think it is quite good but it is not really suit for your daughter as it might too simple. But I think you could consider to buy some story books set (with cassette both Cantonese+Mandarin), they are now offer 20% discount for some series.
I like their flash cards (the size of each card is very big) it cost about HKD350, I didn't buy it yet but I think I will buy it later.

Vrindavan

Sorry for stopping the discussion,

we were talking about native people growing up in their own country/district decided that learning their own language and culture is "optional".

for learning local language:
it is more of a "survival" reason than "because i am a Chinese" reason

for own culture :
you will not like or dislike a culture until you too know that culture very well already.

>> One example I quoted again and again is Jacky Cheung's daughter. She was delibrately kept out of any Chinese.

i do not know much about pop stars (no interest).
i do not know the whole story too.
Just a guess, can it be for other reasons that you don't know about?
can it be for "security" reason ?

Alam

I read again and again criticism on Jacky Cheung and his family as if somebody really knows him or his family, or reads any articles in which he expressed his denial of Chinese and Chinese culture.  If this is the case, I agree that he is very naive!  If no, then I can think of other situation.  That his daughter could not speak Cantonese may be a tactic to get in that IS kinder.  The girl might start learning Cantonese/Mandarin now but his father has no responsibility to report to the public (because I was in a similar situation before.)  Or it is an exaggeration of the local papers as they always do.

I am not his fans.  I just don't want to jump into conclusion/criticism too soon.  Receptive and understanding is a blessing to oneself and the people around.

Cheers.

IngridMaMa

我好同意! (Let's do what cpmmumy suggested; go back to the topic.)

大家應該在此多多發表, 分享下, 如果仔女讀國際學校, 有乜好方法教好他們的中文!

我真是好想聽下其它媽咪的教法, thanks!  

CherylMum

Re: Please share: Worried about their Chinese level?

[ 本帖最後由 CherylMum 於 09-11-4 16:51 編輯 ]

Alam

To my surprise!    This is quite irresponsible, especially it's been mentioned for several times as telling the truth.  

stccmc 寫道:
PS.  I don't care the truth about Jacky Cheung's daughter.  I used his case to make my point, to set an extreme.

Vrindavan

>> That his daughter could not speak Cantonese may be a tactic to get in that IS kinder

good point. ESF acceptance policy is not good for kids who can master local language too.

We better declare that the kid know only English ??

i believe Jacky Cheung has his own special reason.

>> Knowning Chinese in Hong Kong is not a survival issue.

Of course i know this, there are ABC BBC live in HK who know very little Chinese. They have a good job, making nice money compared to average HK Chinese too.