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發表於 13-10-14 11:46 |只看該作者
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 10:12
No, HK government has a clear definition of HK locals; HK residents without a foriegn passport.  i  ...
If HK residents without foreign passports = locals, by logic doesn't it mean that HK residents with foreign passports are not locals, or non-locals?!

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發表於 13-10-14 11:49 |只看該作者
What a demanding forum! Requires not only good English but also good logic...sweating I am

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發表於 13-10-14 11:56 |只看該作者
caa 發表於 13-10-14 11:46
If HK residents without foreign passports = locals, by logic doesn't it mean that HK residents with  ...
If I am HK permanent resident but also carrying a foreign passport, am I in the 30% as defined by ESF???  

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發表於 13-10-14 11:57 |只看該作者
But I think using a foreign passport to apply for IS, to some extend, has advantage.

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發表於 13-10-14 12:51 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 caa 於 13-10-14 13:12 編輯

My understanding of ESF's admission policy is that Esf needs to have 70% of its students comprising non-locals which esf management may find demanding on them. So my understanding is HK permanent residents holding overseas passports also qualify as non-locals.

I have to stress this is my understanding without verifying with ESF. As I am not interested in applying for esf nor am I writing a thesis, please ignore this post if you find understanding without verifying is insufficient for the purpose of this forum

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fanfanbb  Thank you for the information  發表於 13-10-14 17:03
nintendo  This is what I see at school too.  發表於 13-10-14 13:46

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發表於 13-10-14 13:07 |只看該作者
caa 發表於 13-10-14 11:46
If HK residents without foreign passports = locals, by logic doesn't it mean that HK residents with  ...
You missed the point. The definition I gave was found on the EB web site in a document talking about international schools in HK. It is very good reason to believe the HK locals referred to in the ESF web site is the same definition, as they mentioned the less than 30% locals was the EB requirement.  The definition is not up for interpretation by you or me. It is "the" definition.
As i said earlier, there are many official IS in HK which have a much higher percentage than 30% of HK locals using exactly the sme definition.  Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK?  And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 13:41 |只看該作者
I think it depends on how students/parents provides their personal particulars.
A lot of people with 2 nationalities/passports would not state it on the application form. In fact, if I remember it right, parents/students have never been asked to provide information of ALL passports they hold.
It might be that one student with HK/Australian passports simply claim to be an Australian. Another student with HK/Canadian passports simply claim to be a Hong Konger. And these are both valid statement.

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shadeslayer  What you said is reasonable but does not change the EB/ESF criteria.  發表於 13-10-14 14:48

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發表於 13-10-14 13:44 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 13:46 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 13:07
Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK?  And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand.
...

Inline with your own spirit, you should personally visit the Education Bureau and ESF to find out, because whoever answers you here will just be telling you their understanding in their own words, which you have a problem with, remember?

Or do you "expect" officials from EB and ESF will answer you here?

Or people who answer you here "will qualify as" officials from EB and ESF?

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fanfanbb  Off topic: officials in EDB is so useless, I am sure they will take months to handle your enquiry if you bother to ask.  發表於 13-10-14 17:06

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發表於 13-10-14 14:47 |只看該作者
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-14 13:44
Inline with your own spirit, you should personally visit the Education Bureau and ESF to find out,  ...
I did personally visit EB and ESF web sites and their information is clearly official.  I don't just "expect" information on the EB and ESF web site to be correct, the information "will qualify as" official information and therefore correct.  If they issue incorrect information on their web sites, I "expect" an apology.
I don't "expect" EB and ESF officials answer questions here, but I do "expect" forum-goers to be open minded and accept clarification questions from others, especially we saw what happened in the Philippines because of inaccurate use of language in the press.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 15:18 |只看該作者
shadeslayer  What you said is reasonable but does not change the EB/ESF criteria.

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I am not here to change anything.
I merely shared what I know.
If my comment is not of importance to you, just skip it.

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shadeslayer  Giving up?   I am just saying EB/ESF has their definition and does not conflict with what you said.  發表於 13-10-14 15:36

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發表於 13-10-14 15:46 |只看該作者
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發表於 13-10-14 15:50 |只看該作者
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 14:47
I don't "expect" EB and ESF officials answer questions here ...
So why bother to ask here?

Since you don't expect EB and ESF officials to answer questions here, and you are only happy with their official answers, you are just making yourself unhappy for nothing {:1_1:}

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發表於 13-10-14 16:08 |只看該作者
What is wrong with you people, keep asking others to seek help and saying others are sick when it is you who cannot tell "expects" from "will qualify as" or "put behind" from "step forward" when people are just trying to clarify!  I don't know what kind of sin did I do here to deserve insults?  Anyone care to explain?

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FattyDaddy  People explained already {:1_1:}  發表於 13-10-14 16:21
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 16:38 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 16:46 編輯

No, nobody explained why insult is required. People have different opinion all the time and I am just clarifying the "expects" vs "will qualify as". Can people just clarifies and move on, instead on going on and on and tell others to seek help or being sick?  Do your ego hurt that much?  I may be sarcastic sometimes but have I said anything as insulting as yours. Is this the style of this forum?  

My point was on this seemingly arbitrary rule on ESF which seem very odd.

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FattyDaddy  Haha, if you really think people are insulting you, it is quite clear whose ego is hurt   發表於 13-10-14 16:45
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 16:49 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 16:56 編輯

No, I was the one pointing out the difference between expects and will qualify for, how could my ego hurt.   I just don't like to be insulted for no reason.
有病!  Seek help for you and your family.

Confirm if these are acceptable in this forum, I will use them next time, ok?

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FattyDaddy  Confirm? Why ask people here? Shouldn't you call up the forum moderator for an official answer? {:1_1:}  發表於 13-10-14 17:02
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 18:20 |只看該作者
Yeah right, useless to ask you guys to confirm. You guys actually did those things to me.  How could you possibly agree 有病!seek help etc being rude?

You know once I said something in 點評 In the other forum as an reply,the other guy said I was 鬼鼠。if you want to be nasty to someone, there really is no need for any reason.  I just thought the iS forum is better.
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 18:50 |只看該作者
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 18:20
I just thought the iS forum is better ...
If I were you, I would not dwell on it, the longer you dwell the bigger the fool you appear to be.

If you want official answers, go ask the officials, it is that simple {:1_1:}

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發表於 13-10-14 20:49 |只看該作者

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原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 發表
If I were you, I would not dwell on it, the longer you dwell the bigger the fool you appear to be.

...
Even now you don't get it. I had my official answers from the web sites long ago. Yes, I am the fool who believe people here tend to be more reasonable and polite in response to a clarification.



The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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發表於 13-10-14 21:22 |只看該作者
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 20:49
Even now you don't get it. I had my official answers from the web sites long ago. ...
Oh you had official answers to your questions long ago? What might be the answers to your questions below, care to tell us? Remember, your words ...

"Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK?  And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand"

Incidentally, you also said "Let the viewers decide who actually needs help"

Then some viewers did decide, unfortunately their decisions were not to your liking {:1_1:}

I know we are way off topic now, everyone gave you many chances to walk away with some remaining dignity, but since you insist on playing the part of the fool, I'm obliged to let you perform your best, pray continue and let everybody be entertained

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發表於 13-10-14 23:29 |只看該作者

引用:Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-14+20:49+

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 23:36 編輯
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 發表
Oh you had official answers to your questions long ago? What might be the answers to your questions  ...

Are you serious?  Did I say I got answers to all my questions?  I challenged "70% non locals is expected" does not imply "70% will qualify as non locals" and that deserves being treated rudely and asked to get help and be sick and be a fool?

I burst out laughing when I saw you said let others decide and the decision was not to my liking. For some magical reason, you know what other people think.  The opinion of one or two other members is hardly representative.  With dignity?  Who didn't want to quit after he said "expects" implies "will qualify as" and started to be rude and resort to name-calling, calling others fool, seeking help and be sick? If these words gives you guys dignity, restores your ego, etc, by all means. Did I use any of these words?  No. Can I use these words or something worse?  Yes, I can, but I won't. Because I am not like you.

It has been fun.



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