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shadeslayer

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sharons 發表於 14-3-18 01:47
相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出不論何等國藉，只要係有國藉要求己不懂欣賞，因為我所相信的文化 ...
除了國民優先外，有那些學校有其他國籍的特別要求排名？你可能「不欣賞」一些不存在的東西，想多了。
如果你擔心有枱底國籍要求，那麼這裏該沒有人知，知乜不會公開講。你可以「不欣賞」一些未能証實的東西嗎？

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samsam123321  Agree.  發表於 14-3-18 10:32
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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Artie

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引用：相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出

本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-3-22 12:38 編輯
原帖由 sharons 於 14-03-18 發表
相信我表達能力比小囡還要差，其實我想帶出不論何等國藉，只要係有國藉要求己不懂欣賞，因為我所相信的文化 ...

你表達能力十分好，我看得明，你的立場清楚，亦前後冇矛盾。你說女兒的兩個 play group 朋友仔，都考到 ESF ，你覺得人地靠passport 先考到。網友解釋了ESF 收生的要求是甚麼，我不重覆。你開topic 問，但大家答了你，你當睇唔到，係要講passport。大家都係家長，都在為仔女奔波，但做人真的要放開點，考幼稚園都咁執著，幾時嬲到大學？




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jolalee  Thank you! I spent so much time explaining, hoping to help Sharon, and felt overlooked!  發表於 14-3-19 03:33

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samsam123321

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本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-4-4 11:49 編輯

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oooray

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回覆 sharons 的帖子

如果你講ESF；作為用家；我想發表下:
1. 學校Admission Criteria冇必要收埋D hidden agenda；priority post出黎已經夠多；真係要screen的passport明刀明槍又如何?使乜靜雞雞pre-sreening又唔比你知?
2.你係咪返ESL playgroup冇分別；對apply K1冇用(除非又係hidden agenda).
3.唔知你個case係
a.一齊報名K1；人地有得in你冇得In；
b. 一齊有得in但收個有passport表現唔好；你表現好但唔收你；
如個係a, 只能說你唔好彩；抽籤抽得後first round冇得in；同你有冇passport冇乜關係；當然；你堅信有hidden agenda就冇野講
如果係b, 你可以問下學校點解唔收你(可能都係唔好彩；抽籤抽得後有得In但d位比前面用晒要waiting)；
4. 唔知你知唔知早4,5年前ESL kindergarten根本係唔使play visit，你完報名抽籤就寄contract比你；對學校黎講；你入黎K1一句英文唔識佢都收你；反正家長願意讀同配合佢有本事train你到可以pass Year One interview(到時有冇得in係後話)。我眼見2個case，一個超細B唔講野；一個歐洲人種英文唔係好掂；到下學期上堂已經同其他人冇分別；
5. Year One admission一樣執得好正；當年i個仔n完都係waiting；後來Admission Manager打黎；佢話咁o岩排到係先比個offer你；有個expat(當然有passport)日日打黎問都冇用；要說對唔住；一齊按個sequential no.辦事。
如果說有hidden agenda；對admission同事好唔公道。

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jolalee    發表於 14-3-19 03:35

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sharons

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引用：+本帖最後由+Artie+於+14-3-18+10:20+編輯+

原帖由 Artie 於 14-03-18 發表
本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-3-18 10:20 編輯
我並沒有嬲，到目前還未有申請過ESF 學位，只是用家朋友提醒收生政策我便嘗試在此找答案，個人從來認為懂得欣賞女兒的學校可未必是最好，但應該就是目前最適合她的學校了，反之亦然又何須嬲怒呢，是否想得太多



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Artie  一早有網友回覆你啦  發表於 14-3-19 18:58

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jolalee

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本帖最後由 jolalee 於 14-3-19 03:48 編輯
sharons 發表於 14-3-18 12:45
我並沒有嬲，到目前還未有申請過ESF 學位，只是用家朋友提醒收生政策我便嘗試在此找答案，個人從來認為懂得 ...

Nah, i don't think you are angry, but if my child perform better than two other kids but they got in whereas mine doesn't, i'd feel frustrated too. Finding the answer here is a viable method, and i think my detailed explanation earlier has given you the answer. For ESF, the passport is probably not the issue. I believe in the fairness of ESF, but one must understand its fairness is not based on the child's ability. That's how ESF operates and therefore if you are keen on having your child in an English based school, you must look beyond ESF for more back up options. Even for pure HKID holders, there are still many options in terms of non-local education within Hong Kong.

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honeybunny7

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How about this clause in ESF admissions policy, "In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport."?  Does that mean HK residents without a foreign passport will be disadvantaged?

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紅紅

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回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策

如果d IS多中國人又話人唔夠國際，怕英文水平唔得，話要70%非本地又話disadvantage, discriminate, 其實想點？



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honeybunny7

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本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 14-3-24 11:47 編輯

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I did not mean that ESF was discriminating one group or the other.  Since the earlier messages in this thread has not mentioned this clause and were not very definitive on the effect of holding a foreign passport, I just wonder why and what people think of the effect of this clause that I suppose is recently added and has replaced the previously used decision criteria of primary language.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 14-3-24 15:37 編輯
honeybunny7 發表於 14-3-24 11:44
the effect of holding a foreign passport ...

Foreign passport is a forever recurrent subject in this forum, some say it helps, some say it doesn't make much difference. My view is, it depends on the school, and the situation changes from time to time, like you said, ESF's "70% of the students should hold foreign passport" clause is a new one, introduced just this year.

There are very few certainties in life, save may be taxation and death, everything else is a probability. A child is not guaranteed a place in an international school by having a foreign passport, nor by having a full-time mum, nor by having parents who are professionals, nor by having parents who speak good English, nor by having attended an affiliated kindergarten or playgroup, nor by having an address which is in the vicinity of the school, none of the these are any form of guarantee, but each one of them does help in bumping up the probability just that little bit.

Bottom line regarding foreign passport is, if you have it, make sure you mention it on the application form, even if the passport is from Vanuatu. It may not increase your chances significantly or at all, but it won't decrease your chances.

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shadeslayer

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引用：+本帖最後由+honeybunny7+於+14-3-24+11:47

原帖由 honeybunny7 於 14-03-24 發表
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 14-3-24 11:47 編輯

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樓主不欣賞學校用 passport 收生。但這是政府的要求，唔關學校事，無乜欣賞不欣賞可言。



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oooray  IS從來不是以大眾為服務對象；要IS完全滿足一般大眾觀感；實在有點匪夷所思。  發表於 14-3-24 14:06
The more bizzare a thing is, the less mysterious it proves to be.

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honeybunny7

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By looking at the breakdown of student body at different ESF schools (http://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment ... ec%202012-final.pdf), it does seem that this new change of admission criteria is not going to significantly change the result in most of the HK Island side ESF schools...

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本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 14-3-27 13:16 編輯

我唔知ESF幼稚園收生如何, 但小一肯定有要求.  即使我個仔"幸運"地抽到佢, 但個年面試唔合格, 但因佢係超細仔, 所以學校比多個機會佢, 來年再面試多次Y1. 老師當時評佢淨係講yes and no, 唔夠 responsive.  後來去左第二度讀Y1(繼續做超細仔), 然後排Y2, Y2面試要求佢讀書, 老師會同佢傾計, 要求佢有更多語言上互動, 所以我唔覺得ESF冇要求.

至於點解我個仔抽到, 佢又唔係ESF幼稚園讀, 我到而家都一頭霧水. 不過當年有幾個幼稚園同學仔, 申請ESF都有機會面試, 我唔知係咪同間學校有關.  唔係話ESF同佢地有物AFFILIATION, 而係知道個別學校多D, D學生有機會D? 據聞有機會面試首要係讀一間被ESF劃定為國際嘅幼稚園, 所以(道聽途說), St Cat, Victoria呢D好似都唔算.  其他就真係LUCK.  我識得有西人, 一樣抽唔到ESF要排隊, 佢仲要係英國人!  所以樓主想證實嘅恐怕好難證實, 因為我識兩個英國朋友都係考Y1, 冇遲到報名, 唔係插班, 一直住係香港, 但都要WAITLIST.

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回覆：國際學校的優先收生政策

My son and I attended the interview.  I was asked plenty of questions.  The teacher also talked to the children to see their response.  Gladly kindergarten is not solely based on the language ability to select the children, neither by the age.


In the first stage they filter out kids that may have developmental problems, like whether the kid has eye contact, the kid can respond (body language, speaking, facial expressions, etc).  Typical is autism.  Read more about symptoms of autistic children and you will know how to assess.

The second stage is to assess their language.  Can they understand the English and do proper response.  Does not have to speak, but if the kids can speak, definitely a bonus.  They understand the language ability varies depending on the age, the gender and other factors.

The third stage is to assess the early education developmental milestones, like the color, fine motor skills, recognition of common things that a 2 year old kid is supposed to know like animals, etc.

If out of 4 kids, all of them can achieve all the stages above, the fourth stage will assess other area like the temperament, social skills, something showing your kids stand out from the other kids.  

Parent's language ability is also part of the assessment, of course.

My personal opinion only.



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