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Radiomama 發表於 22-10-28 20:52
我哋去年報咗英美加港四個地區嘅學校,真係好多野搞。但也深深體會大學排名不作準。每個地區都有自己的潛規 ...

排名不是這樣用的,在EK很多家長走火入魔。我一問為什麼選擇這一間大學,這一科就撻乜乜排名,然後有網友又貼d排名比較。很多連排名點做出嚟都烏下烏下,真係信者得救!
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beastiebistro 發表於 22-10-28 21:06
講出咗重點

Exactly.
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Radiomama 發表於 22-10-29 10:05
有同學今年入咗美國嘅Georgetown University 讀外交,呢間學校在美國排名#22、世界排名是#324;但如果要讀 ...

英國也有一些大學在英國出名,但外地人未必了解。例如Durham, Loughborough.
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-10-29 12:09
Durham 在香港人中應該幾出名啩。

Loughborough 調低嘅冷門啲,但係其實幾好。

本帖最後由 ANChan59 於 22-10-29 14:11 編輯

你個圈子好d啩,好多人認為Warwick 好過 Durham。我自己幫手三個英國讀AL嘅朋友子女,向他們父母解釋 Durham 係好過Warwick。

兩個都係因為問公司HR出事,覺得Warwick 出名d,排名高d。其中兩個公司有英國同事,我建議他們問英國本地人,兩個都係話Durham出名d。

Durham LLB 係多香港人識,其他都唔係好多人知。

Louborough 嘅工程及MBA課程係几勁㗎。

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beastiebistro 發表於 22-10-29 14:18
我哋呢啲英國返嘅就會知。
不過呢樣都要研究埋科目,Durham law冇懸念,但讀數就要揀Warwick喇。

同意 Warwick 數學係勁。
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我當年選擇英國大學機械工程,要去銅鑼灣利園山的教育署海外升學辦事處搵資料,逐間逐間手抄,當時主要睇課程內容,有什麼 stream 可以選擇,可以入第二年?學費,生活費。當年冇排名這回事。

當年80年代,揸住個學位返香港點會搵唔到食呢!

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beastiebistro    發表於 22-10-29 14:29
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-10-29 16:59
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-10-29 17:02 編輯

女兒報大學時,同學多數報 Durham先過Warwick 。

你女讀國際學校,同學來自五湖四海,當然係會知道多些,特別係來自歐洲,較少只睇排名。

就算國際學校本地家長,大多數睇排名,然後period。
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cow 發表於 22-10-31 10:05
Warwick 同 Durham 真係睇科目
Durham
English Studies

我的年代Business and Economics 都係 Durham 較出名。
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-10-31 14:24
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-10-31 14:29 編輯

我唔否認Warwick 進步咗,所以阿仔將佢排第五志願,入到圍㗎!

我對Durham 有情意結,因為Newcastle U 源於 Durham U King’s college 。冇計!

英國讀學士嘅時候,識人讀Oxford Brooks,中規中矩,當時剛剛升格,等同理工轉理大。

我及CEO有教過Warwick MBA, 個人不覺得特別出色。 我也有教兩間Auz 大學MBA,課程始終差不多,但學生質素係有分別,可能是名氣關係。


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annie40 發表於 22-11-15 19:58
事實上我都是聽得明白一點點而已,卻是真心欣賞表達能力條理分明,又願意耐心分享的人。正如所說工程學系是 ...

好耐冇見你參與討論啦,在北京好吗?

謝謝你的讚賞,有時見太多誤解,所以忍唔住講多啲及深入啲,希望讓多d人了解。

我的年代係叻仔讀工程嘅年代,唔係水泡嘅年代。
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annie40 發表於 22-11-17 20:55
放諸四海,工程學系乃國之根本,永遠都是需求中的頂流。香港受地域人口所限,產業只能歸邊求存,無奈之舉吧 ...

有時間另外開貼分享一下,或者在日誌分享!
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https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/top-ranked-yale-law-school-shun-flawed-us-news-rankings-2022-11-16/

這個新聞報道耶魯大學及哈佛大學法學院退出US News Ranking 的法律學院排名。

耶魯大學法學院在這個排名連續排名第一32年,哈佛大學今年排第四。

問題在學生測考成績及畢業之後的人工,大學目標跟評比重點有衝突。

現在先提出來?幸好是前列大學,不然的話,冇人會報導,或者俾人酸。
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beastiebistro 發表於 22-11-18 08:44
我認為最後一段最有意思:"defaulting to third-party data would be a positive change because schools  ...

因為他們有附屬顧问公司教大學manipulate 數據,這是公開的秘密!

部分評分準則係主觀成份重嘅,他們的assessors 係可以做好多嘢。
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-18 10:42
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-11-18 10:48 編輯

內容有講評分和大學的 diversity values 有分歧。哈佛 ...

哥倫比亚大学、哈佛大学商学院係双第四。New York Times 在这个讲得清楚d。
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beastiebistro 發表於 22-11-18 12:05
Semantics... Can't change a quote...

One may "interpret" the misrepresentation of data as lying. Do ...

Misrepresentation is cheating.

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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-19 06:43
I am not saying these ranking is not cheating.  I am saying in general statistics are so open to ad ...

Data is genuine, interpretations can be infinity. But what is common sense and integrity?
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-19 06:43
I am not saying these ranking is not cheating.  I am saying in general statistics are so open to ad ...

我的经验在硕士及博士论文,用data mining tool 做分析,係会data massage。

硕士的課题有关基建,跨越十年八年,我用政府统计处二三十年数据,因为基数不同,我全部要用log ,run 完第一轮,得个桔。

及后发现我用的数据有leader,有lagger,我要重新考虑。我将所有数据分别做出time curve,发觉个别形态很接近,不過会推前或者移后1-3年。

我將有關聯性的數據按情況調整time period,再測試,開始見到有关连性,及后用不同SPSS的modules,有些冇乜发现,到后来终于揾到一些眉目。在模块内仍然要做不同reference frame rotations,最后找到一个我觉的statically significant又make sense嘅结果。

我当时扮演统计学家的角色,我massage data,我係因为academic curiosity 尋找一些知识,不是刻意去誤导教授及考试官,我每个对数据处理都在methodology部分詳细解释,可以在阳光下验证。

用7月份大学学生教师统计人数做师生比例,果位statistician 嘅common sense & integrity在那裏?
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-24 11:36
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 22-11-24 11:37 編輯

當然啦,陳sir 你從學術嘅角度尋找答案,目的就係要找 ...

If that’s the general issue of academia, so UGC is doing a great job to eliminate integrity and professionalism.

If chairmen and the committee not from academics and lack of integrity and professionalism. How to uphold or enhance the educational standards?
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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-28 11:33
Well, chairman and board of directors aren’t always subject matter experts.

The question is whoev ...

Chairman and board members may last max 6 years. The changing process very slow and the incoming chairman may also from the board, the KPI keep going.

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shadeslayer 發表於 22-11-29 15:44
I think this ties in to the culture of the society.  

香港地每件事都喜歡爭,排名,搶,拿著數,係我 ...

這個不是籍口!

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