Painting it RED in LS

jolalee

Yanamami 發表於 15-3-12 17:30
都唔係想flood就flood既~~大不了多d人提早出国啫。 ...

Given the students in question here are primary school students (and quite young too given the song is a simple one), I doubt the parents can send those kids abroad at such an early age. So the alternatives are quite obvious if the parents are spooked.

I just reread the article and noticed an interesting point:
"嘉諾撒聖心...一址有兩校，被揭播放兒歌《中國是我家》是下午校及全日制部，屬於政府津貼小學；上午校則名為嘉諾撒聖心學校私立部，屬獨立私校。"


Sounds like the students who were exposed to this song (or theme even?) is the government subsidized section, and the private section is safe? What does that signify? (or am I reading into it too much?) Yanamami is your LS child in a private or subsidized school? Just wanna cross compare accurately.


Does fellow parents here think that private LS is more sheltered from possible Nationalistic propaganda? (if there indeed is any). In which case, LS parents top choice would probably be private LS instead of IS, leaving the IS culture safe, more or less.

Mighty

点解成日都要講根在中国、我覚得我自己根在香港、不管你説香港只是一個城市、這裏是我的基盤！愛国情操不是迫出来、睇個人大会議、成班点頭人瑞、囲埋一枱、真係OMG！！如果説我太敏感、就敏感総好過発生左都吾知。

shadeslayer

原帖由 Mighty 於 15-03-13 發表
点解成日都要講根在中国、我覚得我自己根在香港、不管你説香港只是一個城市、這裏是我的基盤！愛国情操不是 ...

Most of the Hong Kong population came from China a few generations ago. Japanese occupation did not make us Japanese and British colonization certainly did not make us British. Where do we get our genes and culture?  British colonization changed us a lot but can we deny our Chinese origin?  I can't.

poonseelai

作為中國人，我覺得識唱國歌已足夠，要小朋友唱中國民謠，學習中國文化，有好多多選擇。其實你越熟悉中國歷史，你越會不滿今日中國，一國國民是應該認識自己國家歷史，但認識並不等同一定要歌頌。今日羅范話大學生應要回國學習最少一個學期，如入職做老師前都要

HKTHK

認識中國和愛國都冇問題, 問題係共產黨將中國同黨畫上等號

shadeslayer

原帖由 HKTHK 於 15-03-13 發表
認識中國和愛國都冇問題, 問題係共產黨將中國同黨畫上等號

But the children song did not mention anything about political parties. Why is it a problem?

HKTHK

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I didn't say it was a problem

shadeslayer

原帖由 poonseelai 於 15-03-13 發表
作為中國人，我覺得識唱國歌已足夠，要小朋友唱中國民謠，學習中國文化，有好多多選擇。其實你越熟悉中國歷 ...

Listening to the Chinese national anthem about slavery, sacrificing and fighting for the China is NOT brainwashing?  Not national education?  And listening to children songs about China is the homeland and China is my mother IS a problem? Is national education and is not appropriate?  What is the logic in this?

Mighty

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-13 14:26
Most of the Hong Kong population came from China a few generations ago. Japanese occupation did not  ...

I wonder if China was still a poor country like 50 years ago, will one still try his/her best to find the linking/origin etc?

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-13 15:17
and China is my mother IS a problem ...

Well, I do think it is a problem to suggest a place is your mother, metaphorically or otherwise. To adults like us it may be purely a metaphor, but to primary school children? If we think it is OK to say "XXX is your mother", we're on the slippery slope to 爹親娘親不如XXX親

However, like I said before, if most HK parents are not spooked by this, that is in fact good news for people like me and some others :)

shadeslayer

原帖由 Mighty 於 15-03-13 發表
I wonder if China was still a poor country like 50 years ago, will one still try his/her best to fin ...

Jesus Christ, what does money got to do with ancestry!


I have always been  quite impressed with the quality discussions here, which often show breath and depth of knowledge, razor sharp logic, sometimes with passion and compassion, etc. Not today.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-03-13 發表
Well, I do think it is a problem to suggest a place is your mother, metaphorically or otherwise. To  ...

we're on the slippery slope to 爹親娘親不如XXX親

Cxxxxx

This is purely your imagination.

If the song was "爹親娘親不如XXX親", I would have taken to the streets too.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-13 19:43
This is purely your imagination

Oh it was dead real in China not that long ago, and Hongkong was narrowly spared.

Mighty

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-13 19:40
Jesus Christ, what does money got to do with ancestry!

Calm down please.  'One' isnt necessarily be you.  I am just saying it in general.

shadeslayer

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-03-13 發表
Oh it was dead real in China not that long ago, and Hongkong was narrowly spared.

We all know what happen in China. Not proud of it, but we know. Please stick to the actual Sacred Heart case, or else we will be here discussing the topic in 2017. If you knew they actually ask the kids to sing 「爹親娘親不及XXX親」，tell me and I will go to the streets with you tomorrow.

shadeslayer

Mighty 發表於 15-3-13 21:29
Calm down please.  'One' isnt necessarily be you.  I am just saying it in general.

I did not say your statement was directed to me. I was outraged not because your statement was directed to me. I was outraged because your statement was absurd.

Where do we learn our language we use everyday? Why do we celebrate Chinese New Year?  Where do we learn to burn incense sticks to pay homage to our ancestors? Why do we give out money In red packets at CNY? Or eat moon cakes and moon watching in mid autumn?

We do these things because they are what our ancestors do, not because someone wants to link their roots to a rich country like China.  By the way, I don't think China is rich. Have you checked their GDP per capita?

How would anyone benefit materially from "linking" their roots to China?

If someone advocate HK to become a independent state, I would have been ok as it is someone's personal opinion. But to deny ancestral roots is to deny facts, deny history. Something I don't understand.

木子兔媽媽

Back to the last question first post by Jolalee, the answer is yes. So sad.

shadeslayer

原帖由 木子兔媽媽 於 15-03-13 發表
Back to the last question first post by Jolalee, the answer is yes. So sad.

How can you be so sure the answer is yes?

If this particular case "caused" a major influx of students to IS, I would say HK people has lost their sanity and become irrational.  Which we have seen recently on TV; old people and kids were being targeted and abused.

FattyDaddy

shadeslayer 發表於 15-3-13 22:43
If you knew they actually ask the kids to sing 「爹親娘親不及XXX親」，tell me and I will go to the streets with you tomorrow. ...

I don't think you understood what I wrote, which was ... "If we think it is OK to say "XXX is your mother", we're on the slippery slope to 爹親娘親不如XXX親".

That means we're not at the stage of "爹親娘親不如XXX親" today, but if we think nothing of "XXX is your mother", it will be easy to slip towards that end. You don't have to agree, but that is hardly my imagination, because we saw it happened for real in China not that long ago, they didn't start with "爹親娘親不如XXX親" from day 1 either.

It seems you are back to your bickering old self again, so I'm going to stop here since I've said more or less all I wanted to say on this topic.

shadeslayer

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-3-13 23:43
I don't think you understood what I wrote, which was ... "If we think it is OK to say "XXX is your m ...

I mean "that" happening in a HK school is your imagination. Also I did not say it was not possible in HK. I am saying if this is really happening in HK, I will take the fight on the street. But before that happens worrying about it does not translate to something you can do to prevent "this" from happening.  Certainly changing schools because the same thing happened in China and there is a chance that it happens in HK is just paranoia and not living your life.

I am not picking a fight. I never pick fights for the sake of fighting. Certain things still turn me on, that is all.