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本帖最後由 elmkc 於 14-10-24 00:14 編輯

If I ask people here whether we should look down upon others, I am sure 99% or even all of them would say "no". But, when one blames those mainlanders who are less civilised, he or she actually looks down upon them. Quite ridiculous.


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原帖由 elmkc 於 14-10-23 發表
Certainly, an orange will not change us. But, million dollars will make a difference.

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我假設真的有外國勢力介入佔中。

假如幾百萬,幾千萬,或者幾個億就能顛覆一個擁有十四億人口,而且是全球第二大(可能已經攀升至第一位)經濟體系的大國,那麼容易就倒下的大國,它必然已經千瘡百孔,究竟有它有甚麼問題?掌管這國家的政權又有甚麼問題?

假如在夏愨道上幾萬支樽裝水和幾百個帳幕就能推翻或動搖一個政權,大家不應該問誰送出樽裝水和帳幕,大家應該問為何我們的國家那麼脆弱?她的病原是甚麼?她的毒瘤在那裡?



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greetings  星星之火 可以燎原  發表於 14-10-24 11:29

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全球一體化之下,在任何地方做任何事都一定有外國勢力,大家每天用的i-phone,  Samsung, internet, facebook 全部是外國勢力。國家領導人的兒孫子姪拿美國護照,宣誓效忠他家,同樣是外國勢力。

有些人輸出大量財富到外國,安排兒孫子姪拿外國護照,但另一邊廂卻可以厚顏無恥地大談民族主義,愛國主義,外國勢力,真的可以荒謬至此!

其實,他們盜用了民族主義,轉移大家視線來掩飾自己的毒瘤。



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"大是大非" 根本無國界。判斷大是大非,我只有道德考量,民族主義只是政治家玩弄人民的花招。



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Zenia  Agree!  發表於 14-10-24 23:17
ANChan59  合理!  發表於 14-10-24 10:25


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tcmsung 發表於 14-10-24 08:35
"其實,他們盜用了民族主義,轉移大家視線來掩飾自己的毒瘤。"

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同意﹗當中共同香港主要官員都拿外國護照﹐這就證明他們本身對國家有多大的信心。


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原帖由 elmkc 於 14-10-23 發表
Totally agreed. If Hong Kong people can contact more of the mainland people, they will find how str ...
只說勤力負責已經比下去。當然我想我孩子有將來,但實際是他們非常普通的職位也非常有能力,而且勤力。方才有人説我們見到的是擁有高學歷的當然了。但我指出的是低級職員,在東莞一個鎮上班的。如果我們只著眼批評,那被追過頭也不會知。我是不喜歡國內官員要處處攪關係,新聞封所。我也愛惜香港的自由,不過我看不見香港的將來



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本帖最後由 Iamsylar 於 14-10-24 11:15 編輯
Tommy 發表於 14-10-24 05:43
我假設真的有外國勢力介入佔中。

假如幾百萬,幾千萬,或者幾個億就能顛覆一個擁有十四億人口,而且是全球 ...

Good point!
一如左派人仕,只懂打壓,卻不自我增值,回歸這麼多年還未培養出一個令人心悦誠服的旗手。口口聲聲擁有大部份民意,卻不敢公平競爭。一班低質數議員、一班文革式的愛字派、一個滿嘴歪理只懂抽水的白頭佬,你叫我怎支持你!

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我有一次問阿仔,你會點睇外國金錢支助佔中?

他直言他不知有多少,除非有證據才知有多少。不過他的小學、中學、大學同學有在FB,WhatsApp等平台募捐,不少人會捐,幾佰到幾千都有,部份傾向捐物資。有些同學拿外國護照(包括國際學生及交換生)或雙重國籍,他們肯定是外國或半外國勢力金錢支持估中!

諗諗吓,又啱喎!

一定有外國勢力,等同阿媽是女人!

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

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證明物先腐而後蟲生,正如大清帝國一樣。



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引用:全球一體化之下,在任何地方做任何事都一定

原帖由 Tommy 於 14-10-24 發表
全球一體化之下,在任何地方做任何事都一定有外國勢力,大家每天用的i-phone,  Samsung, internet, faceboo ...
就係因為本身國家經濟有危機,內部有問題,就用民族主義來轉移國民視線,避免將國民既焦點集中係自己身上,所以就要製造假想敵,即所謂既外國勢力,其實係邊D國家呢?佢又講唔出喎!



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引用:全球一體化之下,在任何地方做任何事都一定

原帖由 Tommy 於 14-10-24 發表
全球一體化之下,在任何地方做任何事都一定有外國勢力,大家每天用的i-phone,  Samsung, internet, faceboo ...
就係因為本身國家經濟有危機,內部有問題,就用民族主義來轉移國民視線,避免將國民既焦點集中係自己身上,所以就要製造假想敵,即所謂既外國勢力,其實係邊D國家呢?佢又講唔出喎!



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本帖最後由 亮燈 於 14-10-24 19:03 編輯
原帖由 lui 於 14-10-24 發表
只說勤力負責已經比下去。當然我想我孩子有將來,但實際是他們非常普通的職位也非常有能力,而且勤力。方才 ...

我好同意中國既職員、學生都好勤力工作、學習,這是事實,但我敢保證,如果香港冇被中國統治過,仍然屬英治的話,中國永遠唔會追到香港,點解?道理好簡單,香港得以成功,全賴西方文明的法治,呢點好重要,如果唔係,點解中國人會蜂擁移民去西方文明大國及香港?點解會將佢地既財產轉移到歐美、香港?中國內部有大把樓買,點解唔買而變左鬼城?就係因為歐美及香港既文明法治,對佢地既私產在保障,呢個就係法治既重要性。但依家已開始慢慢改變,因為香港已被中國統治,而佢地冇可能比到中國本身有真正既法治,但佢地又想追過香港,咁就只有一個辦法,就係將香港既法治破壞,慢慢毀滅香港既核心價值,仲有,每日150個香港冇得揀既移民,再實行普通話教中文,令一代、幾代後就唔識廣東話,將香港變成中國既一個普通城市,結果如何,各位慢慢想吧!



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原帖由 KITTY.WONG 於 14-10-23 發表
現在他們卻令到社會市民生活混亂,巴士公司要拖巴士又唔比、電車公司要求將電車駛回車廠又唔比,連輸界要求 ...
講得冇錯,的確係阻住部份人既生活,但物先腐而後蟲生,佔領呢件事肯定唔係因為一件事而起,以前用過既和平表達方式:如意見書、政府辦既咨詢會、和平遊行,全部做過,結果點?大家睇到,反高鐵事件,唔理你地點反對,功能組別一樣令佢通過,依家就話超支幾多幾多億來興建一條唔係為香港人起既低速高鐵。國民教育,十萬人和平係政府總部外示威,結果係表面撤回,實際就鬼鼠滲透。種種原因,導致有現時既方式,呢個完全係政府既問題,解決難題能力太低而導致到今日發展成更大既難題,主要原因,就係制度問題,年青人就想改變現有制度,因為制度不好,受害既唔係你和我,而係佢地和我地既下一代。




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原帖由 tcmsung 於 14-10-24 發表
亮燈兄真是EK一盞光亮澄明的燈。
讚!
唔好咁講,每人都有不同意見,不同立場,只要大家理性討論,有論點,其實我都係呢度學到好多野,多謝大家就真。



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亮燈 發表於 14-10-24 12:55
我好同意中國既職員、學生都好勤力工作、學習,這是事實,但我敢保證,如果香港冇被中國統治過,仍然屬英治 ...
totally agree! I speculate this is the intention of 689 and China govt. HK and Hongkonger will become history. the HK and China govt just do not care if you HKers would stay in HK or not. those who do not want to "transform" are 'most welcome' to migrate to other countries! Those who stay? you just accept becoming another "mainlander' willingly or unwillingly.

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本帖最後由 elmkc 於 14-10-24 19:32 編輯
Tommy 發表於 14-10-24 05:43
我假設真的有外國勢力介入佔中。

假如幾百萬,幾千萬,或者幾個億就能顛覆一個擁有十四億人口,而且是全球 ...

I am not a political expert. But, if your questions are questions, I think you still have not got an answer for them. Then, I would say that there is a term called "false flat operation".  A place doesn't need to be 千瘡百孔, but can be destablized by simply amplifying an issue that can divide the people in the place into two opposite groups. The issue can be political or social. Such an issue is always the fight for resources.

Perhaps you can watch "香港街巷心理戰" in Youtube.

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ponnychan  值得一看  發表於 14-10-24 22:06
ponnychan  "香港街巷心理戰", part 1 ~ 7   發表於 14-10-24 22:06

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Tommy 發表於 14-10-24 06:24
"大是大非" 根本無國界。判斷大是大非,我只有道德考量,民族主義只是政治家玩弄人民的花招。



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If you consider "道德", do you think affecting other people's living is "道德"?

Do you think getting democracy is "大是大非"? I hope you will read the following I copied from the Internet. I found that the sources of the information are true. I am not saying that we should not have democracy, but is it great enough to be "大是大非"? Do we really need to get it now with all possible means, even if a lot of people or even the whole Hong Kong have to suffer to a very large extent?

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An American christian, Gary DeMar, has written the Devil of Democarcy in The American Vision, a Biblical Worldview Minsitry. The following are extracted from his short article:

.......John Winthrop (1588–1649), first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony, declared direct democracy to be “the meanest and worst of all forms of government.”[1] John Cotton (1584–1652), seventeenth-century Puritan minister in Massachusetts, wrote in 1636: “Democracy, I do not conceive that ever God did ordain as a fit government either for church or commonwealth. If the people be governors, who shall be governed?”[2] In the Federalist Papers (No. 10), James Madison (1751-1836), fourth president of the United States and recognized as the “father of the Constitution,” writes that democracies are “spectacles of turbulence and contention.” Pure democracies are “incompatible with personal security or the rights of property. . . . In general [they] have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”[3] These more realistic descriptions of the effects of direct democracy are a far cry from today’s modern appraisal.
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So, contrary to what is widely taught in the schools of the United States and bruited about in the news media and expressions of politicians, the United States is not— in the opinion of one its principle founders and interpreters—a democracy. The Constitution itself, Article IV, Section 4, says: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of government. . . .” Taken simply literally it is a guarantee of a republican government in the states and a republican government outside and above the states. There is no mention of the word democracy in the Constitution.[4]

What should we think of this? Did these men oppose the democratic process?.......

These men feared that the whims of the majority cut off from an ethical base would prevail if direct democracy were ever accepted as a legitimate form of civil government. On the other hand, these men knew that only “the people” could keep a civil government in check. There was no divine right of kings (or a divine right of representatives or judges), and there must be no divine right of the people. A checking and balancing civil government was the ideal our founders worked for. But if at any time the character of the people changed, the effort would have been for nought.

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The following quote is commonly found in articles in the West: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship." The quote was probably written by Professor Alexander Tytler in University of Edinburgh in 1790, according to Loren Collins in his article "The Truth About Tytler".

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