Think Int'l KT (九龍塘朗思) 48人一班的「小」班教學

gtgy

Think International Kindergarten (Lincoln Road campus) puts 48 pre-nursery students in one classroom, which totally violates the School's "Small class size policy". I would say it is not value for money for the monthly tuition fee of HKD4,500 from the parent's point of view.  Since the School has never communicated this high number of students to classroom ratio information to the parents, some parents are aware of this terrible situation up until the second week after the school year starts, parents are so surprised to find out that 48 students are housed in one classroom which in my opinion cannot provide sufficient space and comfortable environment for the students to learn and play. Does anyone here in the forum come across similar situation and advise how the parents can influence the School or the Authority to improve the situation? Thanks a lot!

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 14:36 編輯 ]

lumcmk

can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

didia

我一樣都唔係好滿意學校安排,但我個仔係麗港城think,雖然係小班10個人一班,分2個老師,但唔明點解分男仔一組(5個),女仔一組(5個),點解唔係男女平均分配,加上老師係interview加開放日個日從未見過,年紀比較大,校長是否覺得她經驗豐富d照顧小朋友會好d?

karaqueenie

我係UN班家長, 即K1, 一個課室大約有4張桌, "田"字型排列得好密的, 課室大約300尺, 仲要放教具, 而家仲係適應期, 舊生仲未返學, 課室先至ARM ARM好夠用, 遲D舊生返埋, 我都唔知佢地點收科, 新校又無音樂室, 又無圖書室, 成日屈響一間課室, 又無雨天體場, 真係叫"百無", 究竟可以點同學校反映呢?

我覺得呢個TOPIC放埋響"幼稚園版" & "朗思國際學枚" 版會仲多D人留意

原帖由 lumcmk 於 11-8-19 12:52 發表
can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

gtgy

Hi lumcmk,

I am not an architect and did not do actual measurement, I would say the net area of the classroom is approximately 300-350 sq ft by vision.

There are like 6-7 teachers/assistants for these 48 students so that there can be more than over 50 people in the classroom at one time.

Everyone can use their own common sense to judge if the School is reasonable or not and execute to the benefits of the students or the School itself.

gtgy

原帖由 lumcmk 於 11-8-19 12:52 發表
can you advise how large is the classroom ? is it much bigger than the normal one ???

besides, how many teacher / assistant for this class ??

48 - that's really ridiculous !

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 14:27 編輯 ]

gtgy

It is understood that Pre-nursery class will keep on taking up some more students who were born in September, October, November and December 2009 in the coming months.

原帖由 karaqueenie 於 11-8-19 14:20 發表
我係UN班家長, 即K1, 一個課室大約有4張桌, "田"字型排列得好密的, 課室大約300尺, 仲要放教具, 而家仲係適應期, 舊生仲未返學, 課室先至ARM ARM好夠用, 遲D舊生返埋, 我都唔知佢地點收科, 新校又無音樂室, 又無圖書 ...

yee79

48人一班, 係咪要去教育局反應下!!

gtgy

Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around to other special purpose classroom such as music room or art room (if any) or outdoor playground.  As such, there is probably no such classroom to students ratio regulation.

This is the grey area that the School take advantage of the parents and students in my opinion.

For sure, Education Bureau will send some officer to the School for inspection sooner or later. Let's see.

gtgy

原帖由 yee79 於 11-8-19 15:30 發表
48人一班, 係咪要去教育局反應下!!

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:47 編輯 ]

karaqueenie

叫小朋友"走鬼", 受害人咪又係我地D小朋友!

karaqueenie

忽發其想,  佢地排洗時間可能都幾"壯觀, 條龍可能好長

hobby

I am really worry now ... as my daughter will start her class in the coming Dec ...
If it's the case, the small b might not be able to start ne ... just like the case in KM a few year ago.

hobby

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:39 發表
Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around  ...

Hi gtgy,
May I know if someone report to the case to the Authority already?

gtgy

Hi hobby,

I believe some parents have already reported to the Authority recently.  As you know, Education Bureau reponds and takes action very EFFICIENTLY (??) as usual under the leadership of Mr. Sun Ming Yeung.

I should say your concern is not whether your kid is able to join the school but when your kid joins the school if she is treated with good care by the school with at least good hardware (classroom environment), not mentioning the software (the teachers).

gtgy

原帖由 hobby 於 11-8-19 16:13 發表

Hi gtgy,
May I know if someone report to the case to the Authority already?

[ 本帖最後由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 16:26 編輯 ]

hobby

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 16:22 發表
Hi hobby,

I believe some parents have already reported to the Authority recently.  As you know, Education Bureau reponds and takes action very EFFICIENTLY (??) as usual under the leadership of Mr. Su ...

Thanks, you are correct. For me, I really don't want to have so-called "small class", it's really out of my expectation. I'd given up my 1st choice as it's too away from my home ... and now, I really don't know if I should full pay the 3rd choice in Sept. Maybe I'm still lucky enough as my 3rd choice doesn't ask for the full payment yet ... the worst case is I lost the $6xxx paid to THINK.

Thanks God, as I just received phone call from 1 PN to have interview in the coming Sep as there will be vacancy in Nov / Jan

hobby

我打電話問過教育局, 幼稚園&幼兒園係2樣嘢, 幼稚園個license係未得, 唔可以開學; 幼兒園個license就幫我check 緊, check完會覆返我, 希望快啲搞清楚la

教育署註冊部 - 幼稚園: 28926335
教育署註冊部 - 幼兒園: 31072197

因為我個小朋友仲未開學, 所以我所report 只係流言, 我相信佢哋都唔可以幫我follow任何嘢, 如果有讀緊幼兒班家長打電話去查詢會比較適宜, 因為可講到真實情況, 我希望有家長可以幫幫手

hobby

收到最新消息, 經過無限轉線, 打咗唔知幾多個number, 我終於都可以同九龍區教育服務署主任通過電話, 主任第一句同我講: "我勸你唔好俾個小朋友係度返學 ..."
主任答, 學校係未完成註冊嘅; 我再問, 係幼稚園定係幼兒園部, 主任答, 2邊都未, 唔可以開學, 主任仲答, 我唔係第一個家長打電話去, 佢亦再係半個小時之前, 同註冊組confirm過, 朗思(林肯道校舍)係未完成註冊, 主任仲叫我, 叫學校退$$, 或要求轉去其他分校, 佢仲問我, 你唔知間學校未完成註冊都報? 我答, 報名, interview, 到俾$$, 學校都冇講過 ... 我真係唔明, 點解辨學機構都搞成咁!!! 我覺得幼兒班還不一定要讀, 但k1 或以上, 依家都開學, 叫人點轉校?? 我諗(我個人意見), 唔知學校會唔會搬返界限街用舊校舍呢?

Cindyjasper

原帖由 karaqueenie 於 11-8-19 15:48 發表
忽發其想,  佢地排洗時間可能都幾"壯觀, 條龍可能好長

完全係浪費時間去厠所, 48人一齊去厠所你估要幾耐, 仲要係咁細嘅小朋友, 俾咁貴學費就係學排隊去厠所??

littlecook

This is not true. EDB has set rule concerning classroom size and capacity. I've posted the info in '
談幼稚園', and paste it here now:


除左按師生比例外,亦有課室既嚴格規限,課室大小會影響該課室可容納學生人數,連鮮風量同照明都有嚴格限制!

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_1978/app7-health-chi-non(may%202011).pdf P48-49

“如學校的房產原本並非設計及建造作學校用途，但主管當局認為就本條例第12條而言，在顧及該學校房產在設計及建造上的負荷量後，該房產適合作學校用途，則該校舍內每間課室均須…
C.根據教育局的建議，全日制幼稚園課室內每名學生應有不少於1.8平方米的樓面空間。”

48人一個課室,合唔合條例真係要度過計過先知!

原帖由 gtgy 於 11-8-19 15:39 發表
Hi yee79,

The School will defend that teacher to students ratio is below 12:1 for pre-nursery class, which does not violate the rule and regulation of Education Bureau since students can move around  ...

karaqueenie

我都有打去問過，如果學校有完成註冊先至會有果張"容額証明書“（即每個班房可容學生的數目），根本學校都未註冊，又點會有呢張cert比學校呢

karaqueenie

一眾朗思的受害者，我地再繼續討論落去都無用，學校未註冊及超額收生，全部都係一個事實，下一步，不如大家想下方法令ＴＨＩＮＫ給我們一個合理的交代，好嗎？