[分享] 選購新琴須知

fingers_party

有關購買新鋼琴需留意事項，現簡要以重點說明：

- 音準與否；

- 音質是否純正，有沒有雜聲；

- 各個音區 (高，中，低) 的音色是否平均、統一；

- 琴鍵的敏感度(即琴鍵被按下後再彈起的速度及流暢度)；

- 按下琴鍵後所延續的聲音有多長。聲音維持越久證明弦線和音箱迴響能力較佳；

- 琴鍵的深度及其重量。琴鍵以觸感較深為佳；

- 嘗試彈奏不同的音色；

- 檢查每一個踏板的功能，及檢查有否過緊或過鬆；

- 檢查琴身有沒有擦花或磨損；

- 要求多測試同廠同型號一、兩部鋼琴作比較。即使同廠同型號的鋼琴，製造質數仍會有差異；

- 在決定購買前，多比較不同品牌和型號的鋼琴；

- 具合理質數和穩定表現的鋼琴，價錢約由20,000元起；不太建議學生購買國內出產的鋼琴，因質數不穩定，容易走音，音色偏暗；

學生的鋼琴老師是選新琴的最佳人選，只有他才最瞭解學生的需要(例如學生適合使用音色偏柔還是較明亮的鋼琴)。而且鋼琴老師有足夠的彈奏技巧去試琴，更能測試鋼琴所能發揮的音色。有經驗的老師能從過往選琴、買琴，及從彈奏不同的品牌型號的鋼琴中取得經驗，分辨出鋼琴質數的優劣。

個人認為替學生選購鋼琴是老師的責任。即使老師因公務繁忙未能親身到琴行選琴，至少亦需向學生提供意見和說明需留意的事項。

畢竟購買一部鋼琴的價錢絕不便宜，不建議家長自行到琴行或琴倉購買。

馬媽媽

fingers_party,

Thank you very much for your sharing. I'm sorry that I can't type chinese.

I have read your sharing about piano in other topics. I think that children nowadays are very lucky because they can have good piano (their parents are eager to buy for them). In the past, a piano costs very much when comparing with the living standard at that time. Now, I can see that parents can afford to pay at least over $20000 for a piano. But to me, my concern is that "does the child really like to play?" which is more important than the other. Look at our famous chinese pianists, I don't think that they have any Yaxxx or Kxxxx at their childhood. Therefore, I agree with you that we have to choose a piano with stable pitch and quality. Yaxxx or Kxxx are ones of the choices but not the only choice because I have seen some pianos with good standard and with similar prices but the brand is not known by the public in Hong Kong.

Besides, I want to know why the keys for the pianos of various brands become very soft. It seems that the touching and the depth become very strong. What do you think about the touching of the keys? Is it the trend that the keys have to be very soft so that it is more easy to perform.

Do you have any ideas, which can be shared, how to draw the interests of the child to music at their early age? say 0-4 years before they can really play an instrument. Any methods or books that you can recommend.

Thank you.

Sindy

馬媽媽
睇到你關於子女是否真的喜愛彈琴,我有感而發,其實要真正了解該樣樂器,先可以話我真的喜歡與否,例如鋼琴,我諗大約要到五級左右,唔需要記音符,拍子之類,彈起上黎可以得心應手時,先可以知道真的喜歡與否,我都做過細路,彈起上黎障外重重,又能真正享受幾多彈琴的樂趣呢?所以好多小朋友都會比大人有個錯覺,就係不喜歡鋼琴,結果可能係個細路沒有遇錯折的能力,可能樣樣事都係半桶水,做事唔得堅持,問題不在於鋼琴或某一種樂器,而家個細路的性格

以上我都係有關我本人及小女的經歷,有感而發

小孩子的天空

馬媽媽
　　你好！其實你有冇考慮過租琴回家呢？一部低model 的Yaxxxx只是＄３００左右，不用驚買了回家他沒有心機學．

馬媽媽

Thank you for your replies.

Actually, I have a piano at home which is not Yaxxx or Kxxxx. Ha! Ha! But I am satisfied with my piano.
Besides, I agree with what Sindy said.

Mandy23

我想問一下，我在通利琴行看到一些琴大約萬餘元(是其它雜牌子），如分期每月只需２００多元，比起我去琴行練琴都是差不多．　請問這些琴如給初學琴的小朋友來練琴可以嗎？

fingers_party

Mandy23：

大約萬餘元的鋼琴大多是國內製造的。國內製造的鋼琴雖然價格較便宜，但音色表現和穩定性都較日本和歐洲製造的鋼琴差。需留意音準也有較大的問題，調音次數或許會較為頻密。如已過二、三級程度仍一直使用國內鋼琴，會對學生在音色上的發揮造成障礙。

CarinaChong

My daughter is six years old. She just started learning piano for 1 month.  She still show interest to learn although I find her teacher teach too fast and she forgot what she learn in lesson and becomes nervous and even cried when practising piano with me. So, in practising piano, I have to try my very hard to read the notes and show her some hints before she can recall what she learn and start practising.

I'm now planning to buy a piano hoping that she can practise more everyday. My buget is around $20,000. I just visit TomLxx and Parsxxs. I would like to seek your professional advice on the followings :

-In TomLxx,  a YAMAHA model 'LU90' (not sure)
  is around $20,000.
-In Parsxxs, a TOYAMA  model TX-125P (as claimed by the Sales is equivalent to U3) is around $20,000.

If I choose the YAMAHA one, is it enough for my daughter's level ?  (I'm not firm on planning or forcing her to learn to what level. Since she request me for learning piano, I just hope she can enjoy learning. Or she may refuse to learn one day.)

For the TOYAMA one, what is the quality in comparing with YAMAHA ?

joanneka

fingers_party/ming2

I have bought a new piano "Scohberg" in Parsons for my daughter 2 years ago, $12,000, the sales claimed that it can be used at least to grade 5.
Recently, my daughter notice that the piano has "G....G..." sound for some keys sometimes. The teacher said that because my girl's force is quite strong, the piano can only be used up to grade 3 or I can ask Parsons to add some "lead" if possible.

Please give me any suggestions, thank you!

sell2japan

Hi,

I just bought a new piano of Toyama from 柏斯. That is the cheapest one and only one year maintenance is free. Compared with rental charges, it is really economy , suppose the piano will be long last within three years.

sisima

想問下大家,你們的小朋友,學琴期間,有否想轉學其他樂器?我個女學琴學左十堂,早兩天聽到別人拉小提琴,佢同我講不如學小提琴,但我唔想佢咁易放棄.其實我還未買琴給她.現在這個情況,應怎樣,而且係屋介,佢唔太主動練琴的.

faifai125

fingers_party,

小朋友本身在琴行學了四個月都不錯，但因想轉時間及找老師上門教琴以省回時間，所以今天有位新老師上門免費試堂一課，但發現新舊老師教法有異，希望賜教何為正統教法？？
1.分開左右手彈
  舊老帥師從没有要女兒將一首歌先彈右手，再弹左手，到左
  右手都可以才一起兩手一齊彈。 奇怪這樣會否做成沒有
  連音？
2.Do Re Mi
   舊老師第一堂教琴就問有冇學唱Do Re Mi，又話無學就
   好唔會與音(C,D,E F, G,A,B,C)混亂，但新老師就教女  
   兒一路彈一路唱Do Re Mi，請間兩者何對？
3. 教flat & sharp先
    舊老師就會由C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C教起，點解新miss話由   
    flat  & sharp 教先呢？
多謝解答！！

Faifai125

faifai125

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nanabi

Hi finger_party,

My daughter has been learning piano for almost a year and a half.  She seems enjoy learning but she does not practice much at home.  What would you suggest to encourage her to practice.  How often and for how long practice is proper for them?  

How many times do we need to have the piano tuning?  Is it cheaper to find someone to tune it or it is cheaper and more reliable to let Tomxxx do it?

Please share your professional advice.

Thanks

garytse

很同意ming2 的經驗.  柏x 琴行的鋼琴有一個特點, 個人認為, 價錢往往跟質素不太相符.

nanabi,

學生的練習是否足夠, 相信她的老師會比較清楚.  各人需要練習的時間長短都不同, 進度也不同, 何不問問她老師的意見?

鋼琴需要調音的次數密度, 因琴因人因地方而異, 常見情況:
1. 多練琴, 快走音, 自然要多調音.
2. 鋼琴放置的地方氣溫濕度差異大. (例如日間享受日光浴, 夜間則享受冷氣)
3. 久未調音 (如一年), 突然而來的調音, 很快 (如三個月後) 就需要多調一至兩次, 以穩定弦線的情況.

大琴行一般建議一年調三至四次音. 我個人認為, 視乎情況吧, 如果鋼琴走音, 或音高不穩定, 就需要調音.  不過一般學生未必知道鋼琴走音, 我相信, 一年調三次音, 也算適當吧.

通記 的調音部.. "格調"很高吧. 需要頗長的時間排隊, 不過師傅倒是不錯. 我有一位通記負責tune 大行的調音師傅朋友 (價錢當然會比琴行平), 有需要可以pm 我.

Gary

fingers_party

CarinaChong:

- 其實有經驗的老師應該察覺到孩子的問題，然後對症下藥。從您上文所說，老師可將教琴的進度略為放慢以適應您的女兒。如孩子未能把老師所教的課程記下，老師可以把重點寫在手冊上或琴書上，如孩子年紀尚輕未能夠明白老師寫的文字，老師可用簡單圖案表示，甚至讓孩子自己畫。老師亦可直接告知您每堂的重點或建議您陪同孩子一起上課(這選擇因人而異)。假若您發現老師未能察覺到孩子的問題，您就要將這些問題直接告訴鋼琴老師，加強彼此的溝通。


- 如您的資金預算是大約二萬元，除了通x和柏x琴行之外，也可考慮嘉x琴行代理的KAWxx的鋼琴。一般來說，YAMAxx 的質素較TOYAxx好。YAMAxx除LU90，LX113T和LX113CP這3個型號（日本材料、印尼裝嵌）之外，其他型號都是日本製造的。至於TOYAxx的鋼琴，所有型號均是日本材料、國內製造。嘉x琴行代理大約二萬元的KAWxx的鋼琴，用的也是日本材料，在國內裝坎。KAWxx的鋼琴在音色表現和穩定性上較YAMAxx的LU90和一般的TOYAxx鋼琴好（經測試和比較後的個人意見）。

fingers_party

joanneka：

您的鋼琴發出GG聲，可能是鋼琴內有些零件鬆了，或是零件接觸點相互磨擦造成，最好的方法是請師傅檢查一下。也偶有一些情況，可留意是否鋼琴上放有某些物件（如拍子機、鎖匙、硬幣、鋼帶手錶、其他金屬物件等等），在彈奏時某些琴音與物件產生共鳴，發出奇怪聲響，拿走琴頂上的物件，怪聲音或會消失。

另外，您需要知道為甚麼孩子彈鋼琴的力度會較大。是手型、施力有問題，還是鋼琴本身的音色較暗和弱，以致孩子想用更大的力來彈奏，使鋼琴發出大一點的聲響。其實大力一點來彈奏，理論上鋼琴是會更響的。但有一點需明白，假設一部鋼琴所發出的聲響最強為５，即使彈奏者用再大的力，鋼琴也不能發出６的聲響，因為５已是該琴的極限了。因此，如孩子的手型、施力不正確，就應糾正其施力方法、手勢等。如果是鋼琴的問題，就要讓孩子明白，只要用適當的力度彈奏就行了。

至於加鉛的問題，首先需說明加鉛與消除GG聲或加強琴音聲量是沒有關係的。一個鋼琴能否用至高級，隨了琴鍵的重量外，其穩定性、敏感度、能否發出不同的音色也很重要。加鉛只會增加琴鍵的重量，故並不能完全解決鋼琴現有的問題。而且您女兒的鋼琴老師已告知您女兒彈琴的力度頗大，再加鉛只會令她彈琴的力度更大。所以還是建議您先瞭解女兒彈琴力度和鋼琴發出ＧＧ聲的問題，然後再決定加鉛與否。

CarinaChong

fingers_party / ming2,

Thanks a lot for your information and advice.

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