分享蒙特梳利教學法part 2

CreamBlue

elmostoney,

以前我個仔都上過icms toddler 班及pre-casa, 都上咗有一年時間.  ms kelly係比較cool一點.  初時太約4個月時間, toddler 班係ms kelly教, 後來由ms rei 及 ms jenny 教, 阿仔都好鐘意ms rei 及 ms jenny. 可能ms kelly 係 AMI 牌, 所以會嚴緊一點.  

至於課室setting, 細仔班房真係佈置唔夠細心, 不論桌椅, 架, 水喉位都略高.  仲有係學費都幾貴.

都聽人話BC幾好, 不過住港島區, 都唔會打算過海上堂.

CreamBlue

因為icms返11:30, kcs返1:40, 中間有2小時, 真係配合得好好.  

現時考到一間幼稚園返下午1:00, 就算icms放12:00, 中間只有一個鐘, 再加上校車來來回回的時間, 我估都安排唔到返2間啦.

原帖由 Happy小米 於 10-1-4 00:40 發表


creamblue,

記錯你係果囝讀緊small world既mama tim. 我地住西灣河ga.
進進既schedule:-
icms上午放11:30 校車到家12.00
kcs 校車1:25接(好彩係尾站), 1:40上堂.

中間有一小時多啲在家吃lunch, 去poohpooh.
如要 ...

elmostoney

最後決定撻訂, 由阿仔返埋今日就返bc, 係肉赤d, 但無法, 我唔敢講呢間學校物野, 如果冇比較, 可能我都會覺得ok.

早幾晚同一個曾係某蒙氏中心任職, 本身有兒童心理學學位嘅朋友傾開, 我將成件事講哂比佢聽, 佢已經同本地蒙氏學校/中心冇聯繫, 亦從來未係菁一或icms做過, 不過兩間學校佢都睇過, 所以立場都應該中肯.

佢嘅意見係, 阿仔好蒙特梭利仔, 專注獨立, 菁一教得佢好, 叫我唔好轉.  佢認為菁一好以話係全港蒙氏學校中真係完全以教學為大前題, 而非搵銀嘅學校, 對教學真係有熱誠, d老師都係.  如果比阿仔去返icms, 以我對低班同ms kelly形容, 佢驚會影響阿仔, 分分鐘會倒退, 佢話除非老師唔理我個仔, 由佢自己發展, 咁可能仲好.

佢話既然d老師咁young, 都係under ms. kelly, 佢聽完我講熄燈事件, 另外我有個朋友, 個仔由summer讀到而家, 佢話12/17 x'mas party, 學校派 x'mas card比小朋友, 就欠ms jill 簽名, 個日ms jill 仲係到, 我朋友已覺奇怪.  第二日家長日, ms kelly同我朋友會面, 我朋友想見ms jill, ms kelly話唔洗, 但係佢成個學期都冇教我朋友個仔, 點可以assess佢? 又唔話比我朋友聽ms jill 走左 (被炒左?). 事後我朋友先知ms jill冇做, 佢感覺係, ms jill走又好, 被炒又好, 學校都太小器, 話哂都教左佢個仔成個學期, 點解唔比佢係xmas card到簽名? 總唔會係ms jill唔肯簽卦? 我將呢件事講埋比呢個蒙氏朋友聽, 佢覺得熄燈行為好渣, 要用到咁嘅手段get attention, xmas card呢件事亦反影負責人心胸窄, 跟住佢d老師多少會吸到d, 而老師係教小朋友嘅, 所以佢極力主張我要走.

我個仔返左兩日中班PRE CASA, 琴日打電話問老師佢係課堂表現, 老師好行貨咁答, 第一日喊多d, 第二日冇物喊啦, 跟住自己做野, 之後好似唔想再講. 唉!我都費事問.  我同我個仔返左一日bb班, 我都睇到好多野, 琴日送個女返學, 見到菁一d老師忍唔住大讚佢地教得我個仔咁好.  我唔知係precasa個老師太累, 一日直落教三堂, 8:30~10:30, 10:45~12:45, 2~4, 定係佢真係睇唔到d物.  菁一細仔班一日兩班咋, 重要係9~11, 3:30~5:30, 老師係中間時間除左做下自己野, 亦好願意同家長溝通. 我琴日同我個女個老師傾左一個鐘頭!!!佢話過去幫過ms ellen幾次, 見到細佬工作, 佢話我個仔"真捧, 很專注" 佢自己有一班, 所以冇可能成日過去, 但係睇左幾次, 佢都知道, 所以precasa個老師點解冇野講, 我都好唔明, 如果佢未normalized就話姐, 佢又唔係.

[ 本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 10-1-8 10:50 編輯 ]

elmostoney

我唔係想係到話icms唔好定點, 只係講返我自己將icms同bc對比之後嘅個人意見.  希望icms家長唔好介意, 因為個個人嘅經驗都唔同, 我嘅經驗唔可以代表哂其他人.

elmostoney

bc, 西環casa同ims都係ami, 好似只有ic 一間係ams.

elmostoney

講開又講, 我同蒙氏朋友講紙包飲品事件, 佢話真正嘅蒙氏係唔容許有紙包飲品架, 所以icms似乎又唔係真係咁嚴格執行ami, 雖然我自己唔覺得係big deal.  我個朋友話如果我聽到有咁多人對老師有意見(有三個家長對ms kelly 都有意見), 我都要考慮下.

elmostoney

我第一日帶個仔返學已經同周生講, 我唔比個女來返係因為聽到有幾個家長對ms kelly口碑麻麻, 我quote其中一件係熄燈事件, 放學後周生走來同我解釋, 話因為星期六d小朋友唔係咁定性, 所以ms kelly咁做係get 佢地 attention姐. 我都費事再同佢爭辯, 如果周生認同呢種手法就由佢. 我只係得用到呢種方法, 即係話老師已無計可施, 咁佢都太渣.

tay

hi elmostoney! would you mind telling me which pre-casa class were you in at ICMS? i am planning to enrol my daughter to the 1045 class, but you do have a point there where the teachers might be worn out with such a tight class schedule...  so maybe i should enrol the 0830 class instead...??

as for ms kelly, i've spoken to her a few times before and i think she's quite friendly and nice.  she hasn't taught my daughter before so can't comment on her teaching methods.  anyway everyone has different opinions and i do agree that you should enrol your son to a school that both you and him like.

elmostoney

hi tay, my son was enrolled in the 830 class.  today he is back at BC!  I know one classmate of my daughter in BC's casa also just transferred back to BC after Ms Jill left.  He was in BC before, then went to ICMS, and just came back early this month.

another of my friend's son is in ms. jill (now ms.kelly's) class.  he is supposed to withdraw at the end of January.  however, her son hasn't gone to school last week - one whole week.  Ms kelly didn't even bother to call and find out what happened.  I don't know if ms kelly is too busy or just doesn't bother to call since she knows my son's friend will not continue after January.  But many schools now are very concerned if children are absent for both the child's and the classmates' sake. May be the child has contracted some disease which could possibly be passed on to other kids if the parent let him resume school before he is 100% well.  I really think it is careless in every respect that ICMS doesn't call my friend to find out why.

elmostoney

I asked my helper to hand in my son's withdrawal letter to Mr. Chow last Friday.  Nobody called us...

Happy小米

原帖由 elmostoney 於 10-1-8 10:48 發表
我第一日帶個仔返學已經同周生講, 我唔比個女來返係因為聽到有幾個家長對ms kelly口碑麻麻, 我quote其中一件係熄燈事件, 放學後周生走來同我解釋, 話因為星期六d小朋友唔係咁定性, 所以ms kelly咁做係get 佢地 atten ...

我覺得montessori class本身就唔應該安排星期六班, 班既秩序係要連續既日子才能buildup,好似一个家咁.

所以bc三天班都要連續三天(一/二/三) or (四/五/六), 小朋友点可以一星期上一堂就做到normal class既秩序?

小朋友冇order好正常, 熄燈可能係ms kelly本身要求高.但用錯方法, 本身星期六話係montessori 班就好怪相law.

icms唔係最好, 但我亦未反感至退學;有些學校畀我感覺仲差, 我之前既post巳提過;

bc老師好, 但房亦細小, toddlers ok, 但casa班小朋友咁大高大, 个room实在小, 另外教具會否少一些? 无从知道, 因家長好少机會入到班房.

elmostoney

my friend whose son will withdraw after january told me today that she also asked her son if ms kelly turns off the light during class (he goes to weekday class).  He said she does that as well for weekday classes.

bc lets me take a peep in the morning when i drop my kids off.  (that's when i saw my daughter sat down at the snack table first thing in the morning today! sigh)  actually, it seems to be quite ok in terms of size - not the most spacious, but i actually didn't feel crowded - unlike the infant class at icms 12 adults+10kids...that was a nightmare.  i always felt like i was going to bump into some parent.  fortunately, my son was very concentrated in his work and didn't move around.  actually, with 10 to 12  3 to 5-year-old kids in bc classroom, it is quite ok since they are considerably smaller than adults.  In addition, kids spend most of their time doing their work, not roaming around as much in casa age - unlike the kids in the toddler class under age 3.

sorry, i don't mean to bad-mouth icms.  i just want to share my personal experience as well as my friend's.

elmostoney

i did visit the bc classrooms personally.  in fact, i was given a tour by my daughter's new teacher last week - that is where we talked for one hour last week.

bc's montessori tools are complete based on my observation as well as my personal tour.  I have pointedly asked this question as well, and the answer from BC is positive - that their tools are complete.  they also have some other things which are not within the 80~100 so tools designed by maria montessori.  e.g. counting with apple pins, animals, etc.  I have also toured ICMS classrooms of all levels.  i find BC tools are comparable in terms of variety.  in fact, bc's teachers have taken an orff music training class, and there is a regular orff weekly session for the students.  if the variety of tools is a major concern, i would have sent my daughter to IC.  They really have a huge number of tools outside the ones by montessori.

I agree that bc's classroom's size can be improved, but I don't find it to be an impairment.   the most important thing to any schools - whether montessori or not - is software (teachers), imho.

[ 本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 10-1-12 09:28 編輯 ]

tay

thanks elmostoney for sharing your experience.  but i think i'll still give the pre-casa class at ICMS a go, because of their location (i live in nearby) and so far my daughter's enjoying the toddler class.  but i'll keep an eye out to see how she's adjusting to the pre-casa class

elmostoney

tay, i agree location is important.  nobody wants a young child to be so tired just travelling to and from school. i happen to live midway between ICMS & BC, so it makes little difference to me.  I choose the school solely based on the teachers, their attitude and their experience.  

Other than ms kelly, all the other montessori teachers at ICMS seem to be quite young.  I have not been long enough at ICMS to comment on the experience of these young teachers (other than my experience with ms. jenny).  But a neighbor of mine who sends his son to Casa in the Western District said that the young teachers at Casa are not able to handle some behavior problems & unexpected situations.

elmostoney

my friend has decided not to let her son go back to ICMS for the rest of January.  since ms kelly didn't even bother to call after her son has been absent for more than a week, she might choose to completely ignore the child if he returns to school since he will withdraw anyway at the end of the month.  again, ms kelly might be all right seeing her son, but who knkows? she doesn't want to take the chance.

my hubby also called mr chow yesterday morning to discuss about whatever refund we could get.  he was not available.  we left a message for him to call back, but so far, no reply.

[ 本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 10-1-12 09:44 編輯 ]

CreamBlue

elmostoney,

Thanks for your sharing.  I can see there is some weakness of Ms Kelly.  She has very good knowledge of Montessori but she has lack of experience.  I did asked her some emotion and behavioral problem of my son, she wouldn’t give me any solid suggestion.  About the school admin, ICMS is new and teachers and new, they do not run it smoothly.  Moreover, the school fee is high.

However, ICMS is the closest Montessori centre from my place, only taking few MTR stops.  While my son was attending the class there, he was trained up in concentration and patience.  I could see the benefits to him while he went to the class there.

If I were living in somewhere closed to Central or Kowloon, I will try BC or CDB.

Happy小米

elmostoney,

如果我家近bc, 我都會畀囝讀.
icms呢, 你話佢商業就一定, 現實的, 在hk, 租金人工咁高, 要維持都唔容易, 都有數計既.但比起其余兩間montessori kinder(註冊幼稚園), 佢最平.
bc, 佢地都縮左, 你有冇去過巳前tst centre?大好多, 所以有比較之下, 一去新centre, wa 細左咁多既, 又係一句, 可能要經營落去, 要細啲地方先稳当.

進進上年summer報左icms summer course, 但7月初斷了手, 到8月先可返學, 同學校講可否退番一个月summer學費, 佢地都肯畀我用番果几千元, 如校車, 在家其間又寄了一張慰問咭畀我地, 冇問我地攞過医生証明.  生日有生日會, 正日生日又有生日咭同禮物.  今年學年又改左好多schedule, 令課程多元化. 我覺得佢地有心做的, 新學校都要畀時間佢地.  可能你會話做咩要做白老鼠? 对有choice就唔想做(location/travel/school fee等因素), 之所以我都找多間學校supplement 一下.

如你小朋友返bc地点可的話, bc 真係好啲. 進進casa有個同學的哥哥都係讀左bc兩年,(最后一年轉左一間is kinder, 話方便報小學, 因bc始終不是註冊kinder) 佢mama先覺得好, now再畀細仔讀montessori school.

elmostoney

bc 而家呢個centre係自置物業.

我冇去過佢地以前tst centre, 去過九龍塘.  有樣野我好後悔, 以前我個女一歲八九個月, 我知道有菁一, 個陣時見係九龍塘, 嫌遠, 結果冇返, 由佢係ic一星期返一日, 其實冇物用, 直到佢兩歲四個月先返菁一, 當時佢地差唔多搬去tst.  當然性格有關, 但係我見細佬同我個女另一個朋友仔, 細佬歲半入學, 個朋友仔一歲九個月入學, 大我個女兩個月, 我見兩個人係好多方面都好d, 最主要係concentration, 唔怕難呢d, 當然我個女比起坊間好多其他小朋友相對獨立, 自理能力都叫可以, 但係係有d方面, 我相信早d入讀montessori對佢會有好處. 不過而家冇得返轉頭, 第一個細路, 條路係崎嶇d...

榛子果仁

各位蒙媽媽/蒙爸爸好!  我本身是從事幼兒工作, 深深感受到幼兒期的重要... 又因為最近我11個月大的囡囡去playgroup發生的事, 令我有好大的體會...

未講件事前, 我想問問, 我很想讓我的囡囡參與1歲半的蒙班. 但很心痛的是, 我是在職媽咪, 所以未能帶囡囡每星期上蒙班, 只能於星期六上班.  所以, 我只有little montessorian及Children's own workshop的星期六班可以考慮, 想問問有無沒家長上過以上兩個機構的班, 有什麼意見呢, 又有沒有只可以星期六上堂的媽媽可以分享呢... 還是, 如果只是星期六, 倒不如不上? 因為, 蒙是一個學習的理念... 一星期一堂是否不足... (除非家中能作出配合)

因工作關係, 我是一個很懂得等的媽媽, 平時教小朋友教得多, 上星期上堂令我感到很不舒服, 因為, 小囡的脾性我最清楚, 她擅於觀察, 但playgroup的流程太緊, 以致很多時我被迫要捉她的手去做事... 說來很慚愧, 因為, 平日, 叫多觀察多讓小朋友做, 等小朋友的人是我... 而當天, 我竟然為免阻小組進行, 而強迫捉著囡囡的手做事.  我不高興了整天, 到今天想起也是, 因為, 為我的教育理念相距太遠...

所以, 尊重孩子, 容許個人學習的不同, 是我很buy的蒙氏理念. 我希望我的孩子能在容許等待的觀境去學習...