小學慘痛經歷

ambrose

你同張文光有仇? 張文光一定眼尾"調"

WYmom

<子女入讀名直資，仍一開口就罵政府將教育弄得一團糟。>
If there is no random allocation system, schools won't select to change to DSS, e.g. DGS, DBS, St. Paul Co-ed, all are not DSS before.  So I don't think that DSS are good products under the education reform.  They are just the consequence of it, and parents have to apply for DSS and private schools as alternatives to local schools in case the school allocated by lucky draw is not as desired.  In the past, if accepted by the famous DGS, DBS, SP etc. based on performance, parents do not need to pay, but now, they also need to apply based on kids' performance, but have to pay as well, isn't this worse off to parents?

lochan

<子女入讀名直資，仍一開口就罵政府將教育弄得一團糟。>

That's the reason why we chose 直資. That's the reason why I scoff at Gov. education system. I haven't seen any big improvement over the years since I graduated ages ago. They change the policies for the sake of changing, scratching the skin without getting deep into the problem.

Teaching in English/Chinese , ballot sytem like Mark-six, 3-3-4..etc etc;  I don't think these changes can actual improve the quality of education nor do they tend to correct the shortcomings of education system in HK which is simply memory-based not creativity-based. Well, maybe the children can grow up to be a better fed-up peking duck with brighter feathers and skins, weigh more and have more texture on the meat, thinner skin..but afterall, it is still an improved and enhanced peking duck!!!!

judy

Lochan，

直資，也正是Gov. education system其中一環，這不正是教改的成果嗎？

I don't think these changes can actual improve the quality of education nor do they tend to correct the shortcomings of education system in HK which is simply memory-based not creativity-based.

你的孩兒剛小一。如果你真有比較以往的，你會發現現時的确較注重creativity-based。教改，的而且确朝着你的理想方向走，但和你的埋想比，一定仍大有距離。

我呢？我只期望他朝向多元化方向：例如多些直資，最好学卷制。這樣，你可走你的陽光路，我走我的獨木橋。

ambrose

今次又幾溫和又幾客觀噃!  :

TWMa

最好学卷制。這樣，你可走你的陽光路，我走我的獨木橋。

最好現在全行學卷制.
每間學校列出自己的教育理念、教學模式、成果... 每個人依自己的喜好選擇學校, 沒人選的學校自然淘汰, 換上更具吸引力的學校. 每人享有的 "基本教育津貼" 相同, 負擔得起豪華級的可再自行多付費, 豐儉由人, 不用像現在, 大抽獎怕唔好彩入了間差的學校. 讀私校? 每年怎會納稅納得甘心? 入直資? 數目、選擇仍太少.
教改, 引入了更多的學習模式及理念, 方向固然好, 弊在有些東西無可能一下子全面改革, 只好在這過渡期中努力試我們的最佳運氣及...... 繼續呻

WYmom

TWMa 寫道:
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最好学卷制。這樣，你可走你的陽光路，我走我的獨木橋。

最好現在全行學卷制.
每間學校列出自己的教育理念、教學模式、成果... 每個人依自己的喜好選擇學校, 沒人選的學校自然淘汰, 換上更具吸引力的學校. 每人享有的 "基本教育津貼" 相同, 負擔得起豪華級的可再自行多付費, 豐儉由人, 不用像現在, 大抽獎怕唔好彩入了間差的學校. 讀私校? 每年怎會納稅納得甘心? 入直資? 數目、選擇仍太少.
教改, 引入了更多的學習模式及理念, 方向固然好, 弊在有些東西無可能一下子全面改革, 只好在這過渡期中努力試我們的最佳運氣及...... 繼續呻
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Yes, agree. Anyone raise it to EMB?

judy

Yes, agree. Anyone raise it to EMB?

WYmom,

冇用。教師們要鐵飯碗，一筆過撥款都反對，學卷制，是不可能實現的。

現在呢？只望直資私校辦得好，吸引了些家長，給津校壓力。

lochan

"直資，也正是Gov. education system其中一環，這不正是教改的成果嗎？"

But if the system is already running well, there will be no need for 直資, and I don't need to pay the hectic sum of money for 直資 school in Day One!

"你的孩兒剛小一。如果你真有比較以往的，你會發現現時的确較注重creativity-based。教改，的而且确朝着你的理想方向走，但和你的埋想比，一定仍大有距離。"

My kid is in R.2 and I do hope what you said is true..

"我呢？我只期望他朝向多元化方向：例如多些直資，最好学卷制。這樣，你可走你的陽光路，我走我的獨木橋。"

Agreed. I feel that the Gov. is contradicting itself. In one point Gov wants to standardize by imposing the ballot sytem. On the other hand, the Gov labels schools to be English teaching and introduce the 直資.

judy

But if the system is already running well, there will be no need for 直資, and I don't need to pay the hectic sum of money for 直資 school in Day One!

Lochan,

好吧，請問何谓"running well"，怎樣才能達至 "running well"。可否告知呢？

我想你我未出世時，EMB已在盡心盡意地努力，希望令這制度"running well"，但我告訴你，永遠不能"already running well"，因為：

1. 時代环境不同，面對之挑戰都不同，教改，是永恆的動作。
2. 何謂running well，你的running well的定義和我一樣嗎？EMB聽你好還是聽我好呢？
3. 直資，面對市場。官津，計劃經濟，大窩飯。如果EMB能令官津running well，好過直資私校的，那意味着甚麼，意味着全世界之經濟教科書要改寫，中國不須改革，美國應啓動超級電腦来計劃經濟。香港呢？阿董可能變成偉大領袖，我們高呼八萬五萬歲。

直資，可說是EMB給了你接近最好的了。你可要，可不要。有便宜的，好像臻美的千多元，我可說，他的理念更接近你的理想，你不要，要貴的男拔。你高呼:"But if the system is already running well, there will be no need for 直資, and I don't need to pay the hectic sum of money for 直資 school in Day One!"，不也顯得惺惺作態與無知乎？

lochan

好吧，請問何谓"running well"，怎樣才能達至 "running well"。可否告知呢？

Dear Judy,
Sorry I don't know how to run the HK local education system. As a taxpayer, I have to rely on the Gov. experts in EMB. All I'm saying is that over the past 20 years+, I don't see the standard of students graduating from local system improve. I can only judge it from the end result. More and more of my friends complain about the decrease in standards of their U-grads trainees instead of praising them.

In N. America, there are a few prestigious high schools demanding outrageous school fees. At the same time, there are a lot of excellent public schools which are free of charge! And of course, they all employ creative thinking approach.

My ideal scenario will be exactly like STCCMC has interpreted. If Canada or USA can achieve it, why can't we. HK is subsidizing a lot of money in education no doubt but has it been used wisely, I don't think so. Again I'm not an educator, I'm just a taxpayer just so happen my son is going to study P1. My observation cannot convince myself that local education system has improved tremendously in the last 20 years.

lochan

Dear STCCMC,

我現在明白你的想法: 你希望所有學校也是免費, 同時每一間學校的教學也像國際學校, 或男小拔, IB 課程等等... 不是人人有書讀咁簡單, 而是人人有最優質昂貴的書讀。
Bingo! Just when have you read my mind!

這個終極的大同概念當然偉大, 但以香港的議員, 政府, 教育工作者, 財力等等來看是遙不可及。 如果你期望香港能在三幾十年做到, 難怪你咁勞氣了。
I don't think that's to do much with money, it's more to do with the change of concepts and deep rooted bad habits and reluctance to change from the exisitng educators etc.


你狠批香港教育後有否想想"如果我是李國章, 我就會...."。 如有, 分享下高見?
I will never dream of being him. I am not an expertise in education. As a layman, I only made observations and look at end results/products. Well, I guess it's always easy to critisize and be picky...

WYmom

<所有學校也是免費, 同時每一間學校的教學也像國際學校, 或男小拔, IB 課程等等... >

lochan,

I also hope your dream can come true, which is also mine, but I know it won't happen in HK, maybe can only look for this in foreign countries.  The more practical way is the one suggested by TWMa, but this is objected by the educators due to their self-interest.  Even if there is hope to do it, I believe it will already be many years later, when our kids have already finished their studies.

Now we can only choose among the few DSS/private schools, or go to IS.  Which type of school is your kid studying in now? Will you consider PLK CKY which is highly praised by a parent in another thread?

judy

I don't think that's to do much with money, it's more to do with the change of concepts and deep rooted bad habits and reluctance to change from the exisitng educators etc.

Lochan,

很久很久没有講過這句話了(細個時，好興講呢句)，有點不禮貌，見諒：

"Lochan, 你講吔啊？"

lochan

Dear Wymom,

One must have a dream to drive himself. if you aim your goal high and when you fall, you can still grab onto the second choice which is still far better than first choice of many others who set a low goal.


Since I live in HK side, I do not know very much about PLK CKY.


My son got enrolled in DBSPD. Now I am thinking whether I need to move to Kowloon side. As said in previous thread, I have a hard time choosing between staying in IS or DBSPD. From financial viewpoint, DBSPD will be the only choice. As for the school, since DBSPD is new, a lot things still hasn't meshed and needs time, our kids are more like guinea pigs.

WYmom

lochan,

I believe DBSPD is a very good school, but I think the pressure is also quite high.  In fact, as most DSS/ private schools are quite new (e.g. PLK CKY, GT, Logos, Victoria etc), we have to risk our kids to be guinea pigs.  Besides, it is also difficult for them to switch back to traditional local schools, so have to consider really carefully.  Anyway, I have also decided to switch my kids to IS or DSS, hope to develop their self-initiation, confidence and creative thinking more.

lochan

Good decision and good luck to you.

ambrose

唔好意思, 而家傾緊d野同"小學慘痛經歷"有什麼關係?