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發表於 12-3-15 10:38 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-15 10:49 編輯

http://paper.wenweipo.com/2012/03/15/HK1203150013.htm

Hopefully this is the first step towards the right direction.  In fact, a lot of grievances are directed towards the ESF coach himself.  ESF must also investigate and find out what coaching advice he gave to the players in the first place and why he never attempted to restrain his players after seeing them making those fouls.

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發表於 12-3-15 10:49 |只看該作者
I don't think the 10 years old ESF boy felt good after the incident and being under the spotlight from the media. I think he got the punishment already. As a parent, I felt upset to both parties as we all want to help our kids to avoid physically and mentally injury.

Just from a parent's point of view, i dont mean to help either party.

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發表於 12-3-15 10:53 |只看該作者
A letter from ESF to parents:

To   :      Parents with children in -

ESF schools;
Discovery College;
Renaissance College;
Kindergartens; and
ESL Sports

Dear Parent

ESF Lions Football Incident

I am writing to you because there has been a good deal of understandable concern about an incident during a football match organised by ESF Educational Services Limited (ESL), an affiliate company of ESF, which is not subvented, and whose board I chair.  The match was an Under-12 game between ESF Lions and Kitchee Escola.  A ten-year-old player (we have established that he is ten, not eleven) was videoed making a kick that contacted the head of a Kitchee Escola player.

Let me say first very clearly that ESF and ESL deeply regret any injury that was caused to the young Escola player.  The Chief Operating Officer of ESL, Ann Pearce, wrote on Monday to the boy’s father and the Head Football Coach has also written to the Chairman of Kitchee Football Club expressing their regret.  We accept the disciplinary action that the Hong Kong Development League Association has taken.  I understand that the parent of the injured child has referred the matter to the police and we will cooperate fully with any police investigation.

However, we are also concerned about the impact on the young ESF Lions player of the very public posting of an edited video on YouTube showing these events.  By Tuesday afternoon, only 72 hours after the match, there had been more than 20,000 views.  Under the film clip a large number of comments had been posted, making aggressive and threatening remarks about the ESF Lions player and his coach.  From Sunday evening ESL had been asking Kitchee Football Club to use their good offices to request the removal of the video.  ESL approached the Club because there is no ready central access to YouTube and we did not know the name of the person who had posted the film.  As the film clips (now two of them) were still being shown on Tuesday morning and the number of views and comments was growing, ESL asked its lawyer to write to the parent who we believed had posted one of the clips and the Kitchee Football Club Chairman to press our request for the removal of the film clips.  The lawyer’s letter makes clear our concern about the injury to the Kitchee Football Club child and is designed solely to get the video clips closed down because of the distress that the offensive comments were causing to the ESF Lions player and his family.

We have also commented about our disappointment that the Hong Kong Development League released its findings to journalists, from whom we learnt of them, before making them known to the ESF Lions player, his family, the coach or ESL and without an explanation of what the ‘disciplinary action’ would constitute.

I am very sorry indeed that parents have been distressed by this incident and I repeat my own deep regret that a child who played for the Kitchee Escola team was injured.  All of the adults involved in physical sporting activities, managers, coaches, referees, spectators and parents, have a responsibility to teach children fair and responsible sporting behaviour and ESL is committed to the highest standards in that respect.  Appropriate action will be taken to deal with this incident, but, as we do that, we have also to ensure that criticism of a ten-year-old who made a serious mistake does not get out of hand.

I ask for your support in allowing us to manage the follow-up to this matter in a firm and appropriate way but out of the spotlight of the social media which is too harsh an environment for a child to be exposed to.


Yours sincerely,


Heather Du Quesnay
Chief Executive Officer, English Schools Foundation
Chairman, Board of Directors, ESF Educational Services Limited


cc    :       ESF Board of Governors
                Committee of School Council Chairmen
                Principals
                ESF Senior Management Team
                ESF Education Team
                Ann Pearce, Chief Operating Officer, ESF Educational Services Ltd
                All Staff – ESF and ESL


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發表於 12-3-15 11:01 |只看該作者

今朝一早收到 email,用詞算溫和,有解釋佢地立場,覺得唔算死撐。
件事而家好多人都關注,應該唔可以話唔公平的面對。
我都認為,教練係問題的根源。

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發表於 12-3-15 11:04 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 宏媽 於 12-3-15 11:04 編輯

回復 nintendo 的帖子

我都覺得有交待, 英基的態度並不是包疪縱容犯事的學生.

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發表於 12-3-15 11:23 |只看該作者
After this email, 我都覺得雖然是慢了一點,但也不是太差勁。最少不算死撐。
ESF 要多謝 ESF 的家長,願意替學校說話。

其實學校根本不用出律師信叫人摌走 youtube,應該盡快登報出公開聲明和家長信,說出自己的立場,請大家諒解和高抬貴手,這件事就不用受那麼高的關注。

如果可以交代怎樣處理事件中明顯失職和處理失當的 Coach (那一個 Coach 的責任比小孩大),我覺得可以更快讓大家消氣。其實真係沒有幾個人願意那一個小孩繼續受壓,大家只在看機構和大人們的處理方法,希望能文明地大聲地 Say no to violence.

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firepigcow  Agree  發表於 12-3-15 14:54
kcvtsai  Support!  發表於 12-3-15 13:12
宏媽    發表於 12-3-15 12:53

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cowmoon 發表於 12-3-15 11:23
After this email, 我都覺得雖然是慢了一點,但也不是太差勁。最少不算死撐。
ESF 要多謝 ESF 的家長,願意 ...

Agree......!

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發表於 12-3-15 11:31 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 kyliema2006 於 12-3-15 11:33 編輯

我聽到都覺得心寒,睇時仲驚過睇恐佈片,更不會(不敢)給孩子看。這件事,肇事球員絶對係殘忍,最驚佢係事後都唔覺係做錯嗰種;至於教練完全無同理心,冷指。學校就真係要進行德育的教導。

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宏媽  我有比兩個仔睇, 亦有講比佢地聽其他家長的感受及comment, 告戎佢地, 一個人的行為會影響好多人.  發表於 12-3-15 13:31


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發表於 12-3-15 13:53 |只看該作者

引用:A+letter+from+ESF+to+parents:To+++:+++++

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發表於 12-3-15 13:55 |只看該作者
cowmoon 發表於 12-3-15 11:23
After this email, 我都覺得雖然是慢了一點,但也不是太差勁。最少不算死撐。
ESF 要多謝 ESF 的家長,願意 ...
這封email只是用黎補'飛',希望贏取家長的支持.
似乎家長都收貨

不過,事情明顯是ESF怕影响校譽而並非那位小男孩的感受而發律師信.而一開始就不認為自己學生犯錯亦不認為學校有責任,更沒有承諾處罰犯事學生,沒有交代如何跟進,態度傲慢囂張.不過現在補救亦未算太遲,起碼ESF家長們都好受了,但是要公眾接受似乎還有一段距離.
幸好有互聯網,否則佢地死不認錯.我估亦有一些有質素的ESF家長向校方反映過,他們的態度才有所轉變.

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發表於 12-3-15 14:02 |只看該作者
回復 cowmoon 的帖子

Agree x 1000000

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發表於 12-3-15 14:29 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-15 14:31 編輯
madscientist 發表於 12-3-15 13:53
Am I the only one who agrees with the ESF management that the 10 year old offender has to be protect ...

Everyone needs to be protected.  But the kids must learn and know how to distingush between what is right and what is wrong.  They must know that they are responsible for their own action and that whatever they do have consequences.  They must face and bear these consequences when they do something wrong.  They must know that if they do something wrong, they must admit the mistake, apologise and take immediate rectifying action.  If punishment is justified, they must take it like a man.  As people say, 錯就要認 打就要企定.  What annoyed me most was that some adults did not seem to adhere to these basic "rules" themselves.  They are supposed to be the mentors to the young kids and yet they did the exact opposite of what we would expect from them.  I personally welcome ESF's latest letter to the parents.  But I think ESF parents should continue to write to Heather Du Quesnay asking for an investigation into the conduct of the coach.  Steps and measure must be taken to ensure that the kids know sportsmanship is far more important than the result.

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Hihiha  Very well said.  發表於 12-3-15 22:49
宏媽  Yes, agree -> But I think ESF parents should continue to write to Heather Du Quesnay asking for an investigation into the conduct of the coach.  Steps and measure must be taken to ensure ......  發表於 12-3-15 14:32

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發表於 12-3-15 14:31 |只看該作者
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This was my feedback in another post:


作為家長, 我地都好憤怒. 但無論幾嬲, 我地都要理性D去睇呢件事.


第一, 英基認為這個學生嚴重犯錯, 會跟進處理.

第二, 香港依家有個公審的風氣, 一有什麼看不過眼就放上網公審.
我見大部份討論, 都傾向認為校風, 教練, 家長有很大責任. 事實亦如此.
但片段放上網, 畢竟對果個學生會有好大影響.
有邊個會想面對公審? 即使成年人都未必頂得住.
校方保護番個小朋友, 我覺得都好應份.
如一時衝動犯下大錯的是我們的子女, 我們都會認同要教育及懲罰,
但我們絕對不會想被公審, 對嗎?

我在香港一般學校工作, 兩個小朋友都係讀英基, 其實英基校風好純樸.  
同香港的好學校一樣.
但係管教方法的確係唔一樣, 香港學校係防止學生犯錯, 而英基則是透過
建立校風和文化去管理學生. 學校成員好清楚乜野做得, 乜野唔做得.
做錯事要承擔後果, 一樣會見家長, 一樣要改過. 但每個人對自己負責任,
知道點解唔做得某D事情, 而唔係只係因怕罰而表面唔做衰野, 背地裡就做.

睇咗踼波段片, 都見到英基啲細路係好狼, 好茅. 球技又好一般.
我都覺得教到隊波咁, 教練真係好唔掂.
將14-0 說成3-2亦有問題, 唔知係唔係球會和教練的問題.

球場上表現, 又好難同家教扯上關係.
因為幾乖的小朋友, 在比賽場上, 又係另一個人.
但對學校內的校風, 我都好有信心. 正如好多家長都有講,
間間學校都有好學生, 曳學生. 但我仔的同學大部份都純品, 有家教.
而學校出律師信保護番個學生, 我覺得都應該.
但最緊要係從事件中汲取教訓,   檢討成件事的成因及日後點樣避免同類事件.

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發表於 12-3-15 14:49 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-3-15 15:17 編輯

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I am not sure about the 球會, but there is definitely a big problem with that ESF coach.  In a U12 football match, the coach has the upmost power and every single player will listen to him.  Why?  Because the coach can always take you off the pitch and get some other player to replace you.  If you play rough against the advice of the coach, he can substitute you in no time.  Ask any U12 boys and they will tell you they will love to make it into the first team actually playing the match.  Being a substitute in the sideline and watching somebody else playing is the worst possible punishment.  So the coach is their God and they will listen to whatever their coach will tell them to do.  If the coach asks you to play rough and go in hard, you will do exactly what you are told. I have some experience in this matter because my boy is playing in U12 and this is exactly how he and his teammates think.

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acdad  X2  發表於 12-3-15 18:15
宏媽  Agree  發表於 12-3-15 15:02


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edea 發表於 12-3-14 23:04
為何我覺得有人千方百計轉移視線為傷人者開脫。

做錯就是做錯,校方惡人先告狀已經惹來大眾反感及 ...
同意 !!! 做錯就是做錯,不論跑出去既是否張先生, 大人係有能力辨別是非的! 即時挺身指證系正確不過既,因為個細路嘅行為經已系刻意傷人!
作為家長,誰能保證
自己細路唔會做錯呢? 眼見自己細路如此,都放縱佢,真系難以理解,如果我係個家長第一時間捉個仔同人道歉!



家吓輸咗踢人,咁响屋企輸咗波子棋打細佬妹呀!
所以要教佢,唔係放縱佢,佢開脫對佢百害無一利!  大啲就等差人拉囉!


家長,教練,老師 們共


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宏媽  其實好多體育運動都係唔比家長跑出去的, 因為很容易有家長會為自己個細路打其他細路, 我都有見過.  發表於 12-3-15 18:05
宏媽  Agree -> 會第一時間捉個仔同人道歉!  發表於 12-3-15 18:03

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發表於 12-3-15 16:44 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 WYmom 於 12-3-15 16:47 編輯

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宏媽,  agree with you.  In fact I have written to ESF mgt to ask for an explanation and suggest the boy to apologize to the victim instead of issuing legal letters.  Yet of course they may not listen and become more defensive when there are more and more negative and harsh comments from public.   ESF admin. has always made mistakes.   But the teachers are generally very good.
On the other hand, it is very unreasonable for the public to generalise it and critisize the teachers, parents and/or students of the school, or even generalise it to international schools or to all westerners.  Some people are trying to find out the personal details of the boy and his family, which obviously makes him feel threatened.  The case has also been sent to be reported in many overseas newspapers, so people are putting the boy on public trial worldwide...so everyone feels good??

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kyliema2006  同意,錯的是個別人仕,不應以偏蓋全。但學校絶對有責任作出承擔,及灌輸正確的道德觀予學生.  發表於 12-3-15 18:19

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發表於 12-3-15 17:18 |只看該作者
如果無呢條片點知咁嚴重, 可能又不了了之, 其實 #2 or coach 有一個正式道歉, 除左佢地認為踼人個頭係好普通而又唔可以避免.

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宏媽  Agree->其實 #2 or coach 應該有一個正式道歉  發表於 12-3-15 18:03


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發表於 12-3-15 20:13 |只看該作者

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發表於 12-3-15 23:15 |只看該作者
In my opinion, people can take videos of the incident, but instead of  publishing in public, they should hand it to the police as an evidence, the police will investigate it and take legal action if necessary, it is a more positive way to handle this case.
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