教師的工資是否偏高?

G-Ma

我都無辦法接受到用五年時間都仲未達標嘅老師繼續教語文.  既然佢地安排得咁好, 一年考一份paper都達唔到標, 咁就唔好賴教改, 壓力大, 工作量多.

kitkitaunt

一年考一份﹐所以今年deadline前會達標！
不過﹐算啦﹐講咩都冇用﹐
呢度大家又無接觸過該類老師﹐
我話該批老師係一d受家長歡迎的教師﹐大家都唔會信！

都係果句﹐既然大家有興趣知﹐我先講﹐
講咗信又好唔信又好﹐
點彈點踩﹐適隨尊便！與我無關﹐亦影響唔到我！

kitkitaunt

黃o禁o禁 寫道:
..我覺得BK家長絕對可以做律師幫人打官師,個個point都針針到肉....因為我地係非一般師奶...

非一般師奶 ﹐維園阿伯都要讓路！
你地個個精明能幹、目光遠大、做律師都大材小用咗添啦！
我覺得應該由你地去領導香港各方面既發展﹐
真係要為有幸教到貴子女的同工們歡呼！                   

fannychoi

kitkitaunt 寫道:
一年考一份﹐所以今年deadline前會達標！
不過﹐算啦﹐講咩都冇用﹐
呢度大家又無接觸過該類老師﹐
我話該批老師係一d受家長歡迎的教師﹐大家都唔會信！

都係果句﹐既然大家有興趣知﹐我先講﹐
講咗信又好唔信又好﹐
點彈點踩﹐適隨尊便！與我無關﹐亦影響唔到我！

我覺得如果個老師係deadline 前所有papers 都合格, 絕對應該得到表掦. 其實, 只要尊從遊戲規則, 點樣考法都無人敢話你, 你之前講到使我覺得那老師分開晒d papers 考致使不能在deadline 前所有papers 合格才令我覺得他不尊重自己的專業.

puzzledmama

Absolutely agree with you!I support the reforms to kick away those poorly-performed teachers. Without the accountability, transparency  and market pressure brought about from the reforms, band-six teachers can still be hidden well behind the beautiful curtains.
I was a graduate of a so-called famous girls' school in Kln (now is a very popular DSS), I just want to share with you bk parents that:
1) The Eng standard of some Eng lang teachers was awful (they could not even accurately pronounce the word "choir", but taught students to read as "choi-er" ...they could teach the students to spell "shinning" instead of "shining"....! What made me sad is that even in those so-called famous schools like mine, this kind of sub-standard teachers could still survive to teach Eng lang for more than 20 years! These Eng teachers of course should be kicked out asap.
2) in 90% of my music lessons, students were requested just to sit down to copy a sheet of music notes (I should tell u that photocopying machine had been invented already for twenty yrs at that time, but we poor students still had to spend 40 min to"photocopy" a sheet of music to "kill time".) The teacher who had taught this subject for more than 20 years at this school disappeared for every lesson! I was just "lucky enough" to have learned 5-6 songs in the whole secondary school years!More to share.
I am not exaggerating, but just eagar to share these iceberg bits with bk parents, and re-iterate that the reforms should be continued for the goodness of our kids' future--at no compromise!   

littlewoman

我是一位在英文基準裏可以拿到嘉許狀的老師，所以我懇請大家切勿太迷信基準試。跟本基準的課程/考試方式及內容並不是可以證實一個英文教師的英文水平如何。基準合格與否未必可以確實表示一個教師的英語水準。但我相信有些被委派教英文的非主修教師水平參差。但教育當局的政策朝令夕改，我相信很多老師（包括我自己）都未必有空間作長時間的進修。我自己在教育學院修英文，再在HKU讀了四年教育學士，但到頭來都要再考基準，請各位家長留意，現在的政策是不很重視教師的教育理念及知識，只提倡專科專教，其實這理念的確很好，但推行得沒計劃，故令語文教師真的很苦！

ChingChingDad

Hi littlewoman,

You have just proved one thing, the one who is well qualified should not be scared of the bench mark test.  No test is perfect, the more capable teachers can always overcome any hurdle in the way.  Good work.

Regards

siuwa

既然教師話佢地係專業人仕, 考試係應該既, 唔係個個都可以話自己係專業人仕啦, 再講其他專業都係要考試既, 就算考左都係要求你不斷進修既.  我未聽過有人去進修仲要政府比錢.  本來我都好尊重d教師, 但係愈來就愈反感.  你有資格, 人工高冇問題, 最怕係冇資格又係度吵.  要一又想二.  再講如果係5年比你去考5張papers, 好大壓力咩?

familychan

d老師要考基準試都好,最少可以睇到佢地d水準.對學生都有d保障.
至於大壓力,其他工一樣有壓力,而家邊份工係無壓力.

vkzone

工作壓力好多人都有, 要考試進修對專業人仕來說都好正常(好似會計師, 醫生咁)香港地好普遍. 但唔係個個行業既人都會公開遊行反對. 我唔係話遊行唔合理(當然也許政府可能真的要俾多些support老師們, 但現在都起碼有助教, 以前好似連找個助教幫下手都無, 係唔係? 教師們總算係幸福的一群, 知足常樂也!), 不過如果人人有不滿就遊行, 反對考試, 反對進修, 咁香港真係可以日日有遊行.
我唔希望我的仔女生活在這樣既環境中!

Vernique2005

不知如果香港像其他國家一樣﹐老師讀書面費﹐讀完仲一定有人工加的話﹐香港的老師會不會說沒時間進修呢﹖

littlewoman 寫道:
我是一位在英文基準裏可以拿到嘉許狀的老師，所以我懇請大家切勿太迷信基準試。跟本基準的課程/考試方式及內容並不是可以證實一個英文教師的英文水平如何。基準合格與否未必可以確實表示一個教師的英語水準。但我相信有些被委派教英文的非主修教師水平參差。但教育當局的政策朝令夕改，我相信很多老師（包括我自己）都未必有空間作長時間的進修。我自己在教育學院修英文，再在HKU讀了四年教育學士，但到頭來都要再考基準，請各位家長留意，現在的政策是不很重視教師的教育理念及知識，只提倡專科專教，其實這理念的確很好，但推行得沒計劃，故令語文教師真的很苦！

G-Ma

littlewoman,

係未有其他更好的標準前, 起碼基準試都令到一些水準差的老師要離場或被迫繼續進修.  家長們都是希望子女可以被有水準的老師教, 希望無能力的老師不要誤人子弟.

littlewoman 寫道:
我是一位在英文基準裏可以拿到嘉許狀的老師，所以我懇請大家切勿太迷信基準試。跟本基準的課程/考試方式及內容並不是可以證實一個英文教師的英文水平如何。基準合格與否未必可以確實表示一個教師的英語水準。但我相信有些被委派教英文的非主修教師水平參差。但教育當局的政策朝令夕改，我相信很多老師（包括我自己）都未必有空間作長時間的進修。我自己在教育學院修英文，再在HKU讀了四年教育學士，但到頭來都要再考基準，請各位家長留意，現在的政策是不很重視教師的教育理念及知識，只提倡專科專教，其實這理念的確很好，但推行得沒計劃，故令語文教師真的很苦！

vkzone

G-Ma講得對, 十分有同感, 而且就這次可以看到老師們的對教學的態度及熱誠有幾多.

ChingChingDad

露斯瑪莉 寫道:
楊鐵樑：
不用介懷自己有口音

Do you think a westerner can understand when you say
"cam" for "claim",
“bad” for “black”,
“shit” for “sheet”,
“ship” for “sheep”,
"tap" for "tape",
“fly” for “fine”,
“free” for “three”,
“egg” for “eight”,
“foot” for “flute”,
“shoot down” for “shut down”?

He said "不用介懷自己有口音" because he really can't get rid of his Hong Kong accent.  Please don't find excuse for not working hard.

ChingChingDad

stccmc,

You are right.  People like me always mix up accent with wrong pronunciation.  Is there a clear cut boundary? Don't tell me the definition from a dictionary, I have checked.

For you interest, I have found a BBC web site with a tittle "Can your accent hold you back?".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/289729.stm


From my personal experience, it counts.

Regards.