窮人升大學機會少2/3 無錢無前途 學者促政府支援弱勢

shadeslayer

原帖由 MC1128 於 13-02-21 發表
點解咁執著？那是指低收入人士“相對”收入高的一組人口的升讀大學的機會而言
我睇咗好耐，不是想為拗而拗 ...

呢份報告主要想講，貧人相對富人的升大學比率差距愈來愈大

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報告沒分析釐定因果，貧窮可能是表面，根源可能是性格（舉例）。一個極易滿足的人，同時是貧窮和入不到大學的原因，那麼有一比筆錢佢便可改善入大學機會？

如果做一個家庭藏書量和入大學率的研究，結果係藏書愈多，入大學率愈高，咁政府係未要送書？

如果做一個家庭傭工數量和入大學率的研究，結果係傭工愈多，入大學率愈高，咁政府係未要送工人？

judy

如果做一個家庭藏書量和入大學率的研究，結果係藏書愈多，入大學率愈高，咁政府係未要送書？

好提議！

仲要做一個食物和入大學研究，結果係吃得越多垃圾食物，入大學率越少？咁政府可在各醫院加設飯堂，出少啲綜援，發飯票，請他們到醫院吃清淡的飯菜。

laorenjia

不過要醫院病房派嘅飯先至得，否則，好似我太太咁，我一住醫院，就呼朋喚眾，喺個房開餐，佢話醫院餐廳飯菜一流。

laorenjia

無人敢否定鼓勵窮人孩子唸大學，增加社會向上流動力。我自己就十分討厭直資，但好似Judy講，直資效應尚未浮現於大學層面。但學者不應用數據遷就預設結論。

囝囝爸

窮不與富敵，香港幾乎是世界上最貧富懸殊的地方，教育競爭倍養由幼兒園開始，長年投入的人財助力可想而知，有未必得，冇多數唔得，這種調查結果，阿媽女人，多餘！

annie40

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养和的饭菜又真系非常有水平, 街知巷闻. 岩洒比访客食, 病人食左就预左多住医院三无天. 这是市场策略, 个厨抵赞到极, 一字甘浅!

Stillgood2

9優生會考兼職補家計
母﹕千金難買少年窮
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【明報專訊】剛過去的會考放榜獲9A1B優異成績的陳展芊，與兩名哥哥自15歲起便邊讀書邊替人補習、到餐廳做侍應等兼職，幫補家計，會考期間亦堅持4份補習。一門三傑刻苦讀書，會考同樣取得優秀成績，兩名哥哥成功考入香港大學，陳展芊亦打算跟隨。其母親則說﹕「千金難買少年窮，青少年需經貧苦才會有志氣。」



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annie40

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谢谢分享!   难为不少哎也中产, 或者唔算系中产的家长, 还振振有词话唔比孩子到餐廳做侍應等兼職,怕学坏云云......,,,
我们的孩子跟陳同学的堅持,刻苦和定力, 真的没得挥!

最近看过篇文提到: 如果发现自己走的路是一点障碍物都没有的, 永远的顺风顺水, 怕者条路都带唔到你去边一处..........


p.s. 通常有大把人现形或隐形的父母, 亲戚, 阿爸的staff, connection 等, 帮你掃清洒D障碍物

laorenjia

囝囝爸

但若果窮人孩子，入讀本地大學的比例真的相對減少，咁就值得研究。係窮人孩子機會相對減少，抑或現在窮人質素相對降低？

laorenjia

講起直資，我真係説服不了自己去贊成用納稅人錢資助spcc, dbs, dgs嚟同一般官津學校競爭。同91年比，呢啲學校嘅窮孩子一定少許多。你要做Eton,我唔阻你，但咪叫我哋唔讀嘅都俾錢。

shadeslayer

原帖由 laorenjia 於 13-02-21 發表
講起直資，我真係説服不了自己去贊成用納稅人錢資助spcc, dbs, dgs嚟同一般官津學校競爭。同91年比，呢啲學 ...

最近剛有新聞男拔為窮學生提供學費減免。其他直資也一樣有。

laorenjia

shadeslayer 發表於 13-2-22 11:39
最近剛有新聞男拔為窮學生提供學費減免。其他直資也一樣有。

They all do. I even believe the principals welcome kids from the poor families. But has the percentage of such kids stayed the same or has it dropped drastically?

In the old days, bright kids just entered a number in a form to get allotted to spcc, dbs, dgs, but now it takes most parents a series of preparation work similar to military exercises to get into the interview door, not to mention the gossips around the kid and the parents once the kid fails.

annie40

直資已经是設立屏障, 收窮學生是人情, 唔收是道理! 崩口人忌崩口碗, 打死都唔读.比D心机留系官中更好!   

直資校长要收多些窮學生来点缀, 最佳是出去head hunting, 魏人入读!

shadeslayer

原帖由 annie40 於 13-02-22 發表
直資已经是設立屏障, 收窮學生是人情, 唔收是道理! 崩口人忌崩口碗, 打死都唔读.比D心机留系官中更好!   

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冇直資便冇咁多新派學校，冇咁多新派學校香港教育會更一潭死水。傳統名校應否傳直資？值得商確。但新派直資多過直資名校。直資看來是好野。Annie 你好有骨氣。

serinac

原帖由 Annie123 於 13-02-23 發表
掉轉頭說，有錢也不一定入到這類學校。
有錢，對孩子來說，當然一定是路行得順利一些。
例如，有錢可以請 ...

父母、孩子擁有自强不息的鬥心，比黃金更重要。

laorenjia

Annie123 發表於 13-2-23 11:25
掉轉頭說，有錢也不一定入到這類學校。
有錢，對孩子來說，當然一定是路行得順利一些。
例如，有錢可以請 ...

"掉轉頭說，有錢也不一定入到這類學校。"
So? Does it then justify that fewer and fewer poor kids can enter these schools. The list of traditional elite school turning into DSS is increasing every year. Actually in the old days most poor parents did not actually plan to send their kids to elite schools, but putting down a number in a form was easy and the teachers did encourage that. You only need to look around in EK now to see how much work parents have to prepare to seek admission to these schools.

"有錢，對孩子來說，當然一定是路行得順利一些。
例如，有錢可以請司機，接送孩子往返學校，甚至買屋搬去學校附近，令孩子免除交通煩惱。
這些，又算不算是有錢人的 "優勢"？"
Of course, they are.

"孩子讀不讀成書，還是要看他的決心"No one can argue against this but this has nothing to do with the responsibility the community owes to the poor kids by providing them with more opportunities.

"以前的香港，低下階層只會想盡辦法改善生活改善現狀，由住木屋搬到徙置區都開心都不得了。
現在的低下階層，總是數住黃百萬個仔有幾多部法拉利，後生仔剛畢業買唔係樓又話社會不公平。" One could argue the quality of the poor (some would say the whole population) is not as good as before; one could also argue the poor are more aware of their rights. In fact, buying a flat is a problem for the middle class but not for the poor to whom it is only a dream to them. The real poor are more concerned whether they can move into the public housing instead. Don't forget more than half of our population live in public housing. Most of them are not greedy.

mesmerising

mesmerising  ： ）眼鏡~兒子和我戴88的。咖啡~McCafe的也不錯，口感比starbucks純。父子底褲~街巿的。：）  

shadeslayer

原帖由 laorenjia 於 13-02-22 發表
They all do. I even believe the principals welcome kids from the poor families. But has the percenta ...

Do all these preparation HAVE to cost a lot o money?  Rich kids watch $40k DWE English program. Poor kids can watch free pearl programs.  The results are similar. Rich kids can have a whole house full of books, poor kids can go to library often. The results are similar. Is it really that useful to have Music classes and 2nd foreign languages, sports, interview preparation classes?  Or are they just myths in elite school admission?  A lot of this really depends on whether the "parents" have the will to develop their children's competence in different areas.

I guess my key point is, just because there are fewer poor kids in elite school or in universities does not necessarily mean they have less "opportunities" or there exists injustice.  It may mean they have a pair of less successful parents (in terms of education).  Parents will continue to have great effect on children's education regardless of what the government does now or in the future.