交小一入學伸請表估唔到有咁多新移民

ync_224

算啦, 嫁左港人既, 就邊度都可以有.  我香港呢邊都有好多.

有次經歷都幾得意, 想同大家分享:

話說有日放工入大廈電梯, 臨閂門前有人叫等埋, 我便禁制開返.  見有個'女士'拖住兩隻狗(1大1細)行緊黎, 打左個特, 因見過佢兩隻狗係街度追住人.

如所料, 兩隻狗入電梯後即撲埋黎, 個'女士'拉住佢地後就話: '哎呀, 你出返去搭下部得唔得?'  我果下真係呆左, 唔知點反應!  跟住就禁close制當聽唔到一齊搭.

而家諗返都幾好笑.  有時向好方便諗, 做到佢可以咁得閒放下狗就好囉.

原帖由 andyc2001hk 於 09-10-1 01:57 發表
我冇講過新移民就是差, 只係比人亂扣帽子

當日排隊有D人渣雙程証, 有個渣行街紙, 唔好意思, 我仲未當佢地係香港人, 唔叫新移民不如稱呼"準香港人"好嗎?

有人話排隊唔spare多D時間自己攞呢衰 (有早知冇乞衣, 係唔係 ...

[ 本帖最後由 ync_224 於 09-10-1 03:35 編輯 ]

rpang001

填表遭遇值得同情....

我看到的是機遇：由過往香港經濟起非，大陸同胞争住學廣東話用港幣，到現在中國經濟舉足輕重，普通話及人民幣普及已是兩個世界了。

我吔依家常常講小學2年班已有普通話授課，有些(直資)小學一入去就要用英或普通話。身邊咁多更可造就學普通話(即外語)環境，比淨請純地道普通話老師的學校有更好學普通話的環境。相對英語方面，港人就較新移民的小朋友("新友")有少少地利優勢。面對優質"新友"就應學習他們讀書的態度，面對較缺乏支援的"新友"就應幫助大家融合，各取所長及補其短，相方都有益處。問題係家長睇重小朋友校內成績，定係佢既語文發展機遇。

以前嗰代，如果班入面有很多西人子女同班就讀，一定吸引唔少其他子女在學家長的目光，依家就要把握同"新友"相處的機會，打好普通話根基。

經濟方面發展如是，教育也不例外。

Flying-Man

在校要學的不只是普通話,何況他們並不是個個來自北京,他們的普通話未必都說得很好,發音亦未必很準,可能帶有鄉音,就算來自北京都不一定說得很好,你或許聽不懂他們在說什麼.

我弟婦是內地人,怏成為香港居民,她會說普通話,但我不太願意我小朋友跟她學,因我覺得她說得不好,亦不流利,因普通話並不是她的母語,客家話才是.

原帖由 rpang001 於 09-10-1 04:38 發表
填表遭遇值得同情....

我看到的是機遇：由過往香港經濟起非，大陸同胞争住學廣東話用港幣，到現在中國經濟舉足輕重，普通話及人民幣普及已是兩個世界了。

我吔依家常常講小學2年班已有普通話授課，有些(直資)小學一入去就要 ...

gingerale

I don't understand why HK people like to make unjustified generalizations all the time.
If only Beijing people speak putonghua properly, then more than 99% of people in China don't speak putonghua properly.  
The reality is that our overall putonghua level is much lower than China and Taiwan and our overall
english level is much lower than Singapore.

原帖由 Flying-Man 於 09-10-1 07:26 發表
在校要學的不只是普通話,何況他們並不是個個來自北京,他們的普通話未必都說得很好,發音亦未必很準,可能帶有鄉音,就算來自北京都不一定說得很好,你或許聽不懂他們在說什麼.

我弟婦是內地人,怏成為香港居民,她會說普 ...

Flying-Man

gingerale,

請別勞氣,我只是發表意見啫, whether a person can or cannot speak putonghua properly, you and I cannot tell, 或許要考什麼普通話水平測試才知道了.

話你知,我都是當年的新移民,而家 ge 舊移民. 我算唔算係 one of the HK people you mentioned below?

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-1 08:01 發表
I don't understand why HK people like to make unjustified generalizations all the time.
If only Beijing people speak putonghua properly, then more than 99% of people in China don't speak putonghua pro ...

jollyma

"歧視"所引起的問題, 不一定是負面的, 歧視到處有, 理論邊個唔識講,可知很多人(包括我們上一代)都是怕被人歧視,排擠,才發奮向上,你唔想比人話窮,所以要努力揾錢, 你唔想比人話英文唔好,所以努力學好佢, 例子多的是, 感受到歧視而發奮,反而有激發上進動力, 但當然唔代表我地要鼓勵人去歧視別人, 但事實社會就如是, 要包容?講真,我對我老公都未必可以次次包容啦,談何容易啫,唔通要做到世界大同?所以, 我認為社會有適當程度的歧視,無可厚非

MorriDad

Obama 都話佢推D政策有D唔順利, 為因為佢本身膚色問題, 可見一班.......




交左表先好嘈, 唔好嘈到唔記得交表.

rachncurtsmom

原帖由 kiukiudaddy 於 09-10-1 08:22 發表
Your comment is correct but not fair.
Your are comparing the secondary language of HK people with the mother tongues of Chinese, Taiwanese and Singaporean.

rpang001

我看的始終係機遇：雖然"新友"說的普通話不正(因普通話非他們母語)，但學習普通話的環境，總比全部地度港人小朋友用廣東話對答更好。

以前出國在英讀書，遇到新加坡仔什致台灣、大陸出國學生，因不懂普通話(華語)，習慣用英語溝通，總好過成班港人用廣東話在外地溝通。那班不把握環境去運用學到的外語，又怎見得他們外語水平(出國後)突飛猛進呢。

成功大部份是在於那些(尤其在逆境)能把握機遇的人

parentslove2

It's so funny, most of the students in China are trying so hard to learn English.  And, most of the schools in Hong Kong emphasize teaching in Potunghua.
So later on, most of mainland Chinese are speaking quite fluent English than Hong Kong citizen.
Anyway, respect each others is very important.  So, we have to repect the new immigrant, then to teach our children.
Will be "One World".

猴子爸

学好普通话是重要，但跟谁学是另外回事，比方说在美国，我也不会把我儿子放在harlem(NY的黑人区)去学英文。你们可以立刻jump on me说你就是歧视黑人，那。。。你就当我是歧视吧。。。

gingerale

It may not be fair but we need to face the reality.  If an employer is looking for someone who speaks good english/PTH, HK applicants will not get some "symphathy points" because neither english or PTH is their mother tongue.  I would encourage our children to practice these spoken languages with whoever possible, whether they are mainland new immgrants for pth, whites, blacks, filipino, or indians for english.  
I agree with someone that it is not the Lion Rock era anymore (although he/she was a little mean).  Yes, the world has changed.  Even a black man can become the American President with support from the majority of white people in their country.  I still don't understand why many of us are still so narrow-minded in HK.

原帖由 kiukiudaddy 於 09-10-1 08:22 發表
Your comment is correct but not fair.
Your are comparing the secondary language of HK people with the mother tongues of Chinese, Taiwanese and Singaporean.

[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-2 11:20 編輯 ]

猴子爸

Learning English from/with a Black is one thing while learning in a Black district is another.  I hope that you can understand the difference.

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-2 11:18 發表
It may not be fair but we need to face the reality.  If an employer is looking for someone who speaks good english/PTH, he/she will not give an HK applicant some "symphathy points" because neither eng ...

[ 本帖最後由 猴子爸 於 09-10-2 11:25 編輯 ]

gingerale

I am afraid your point is not relevant in Hong Kong as there is no such place as a black district here.  I thought we are only discussing about education in Hong Kong here?

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-2 11:21 發表
Learning English from/with a Black is one thing while learning in a Black district is another.  I hope that you can understand the difference.

猴子爸

Don't you see the analogy here...?

原帖由 gingerale 於 09-10-2 11:29 發表
I am afraid your point is not relevant in Hong Kong as there is no such place as a black district here.  I thought we are only discussing about education in Hong Kong here?

gingerale

Having stayed in the US for almost a decade, I can tell you that I would not send my kids to a school in Harlem either.  I would not even live in those places.  This is simply because of the high crime rate which is a well-known fact.  
Well, I have to say that many of the black americans speak in very unique accent which may not be good for non-native speaker kids to learn.  However, Obama's english is perfect with only traces of black accent.  

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-2 10:50 發表
学好普通话是重要，但跟谁学是另外回事，比方说在美国，我也不会把我儿子放在harlem(NY的黑人区)去学英文。你们可以立刻jump on me说你就是歧视黑人，那。。。你就当我是歧视吧。。。 ...

[ 本帖最後由 gingerale 於 09-10-2 11:43 編輯 ]

Gooddaddy

When I was a student in London during 1988-1990, I stayed in a hostel called SLOSH (South London Overseas Students Hostel).  There I met a lot of black africans and a number of other Europeans.  It's funny that I made a lot of friends with the blacks rather than with whites.  I often find black people are more loyal and less hypocrite.  Besides, they teach me how to dance reggae.  I also like the way american blacks speak eg. your english sucks...
you're fucked up... hey what's up men!

原帖由 猴子爸 於 09-10-2 11:21 發表
Learning English from/with a Black is one thing while learning in a Black district is another.  I hope that you can understand the difference.