取消TSA

oho1

karen55407 發表於 15-11-5 17:33
我大女考過TSA，細仔今年要考TSA，我完全唔覺得有任何唔舒服，甚至唔覺得我要做乜嘢嚟應付個TSA，我完全唔 ...

所以這正是制度討論、檢討的必需性!  而非某撮人所主張非全盤推倒TSA不可!  改革過急也只會是好心做壞事! 越變越差、無所適從!

SillyU

Doray 發表於 15-11-5 17:48
Sorry,SillyU, I give up, 其實你係咪亞邊位的分身，又再問多次呢啲討論過哂的問題，救命呀？You win, I lo ...

我有問你嘢？

玩分身？虧你諗得出，去問版主吧！


Give up 嗰個，應該係我。

karen55407

我只知TSA表現是能反映出學校嘅學生學術程度嘅優、弱點，讓教局同學校合作改善。

mandycmt7

原帖由 hkpapa852 於 15-11-05 發表
我列咗3個問題:

(1) 如果只著眼要求教育局取消TSA, 係咪真係可以解決小朋友唔需要操練既問題?

即如果第三點解決唔到，就唔可以叫取消小三TSA? 咁請問反對取消TSA嘅人，是否又覺得小一已經要做TSA練習是正常？咁即係越來越變質嘅野係正常不過？成日話家長就是兇，咁而家D家長咪反應緊，並不是個個都是“兇手”囉！

Doray

oho1 發表於 15-11-5 17:48
所以這正是制度討論、檢討的必需性!  而非某撮人所主張非全盤推倒TSA不可!  改革過急也只會是好心做壞事!  ...

2015-11-02 HKT 10:05

鮮魚行學校前校長梁紀昌表示，當年教統局推行教育改革，於2000年取消小學學能測驗，目的是為了釋放學生的考試壓力，但現時的全港性系統評估TSA卻令不少學校，由小學一年級開始就操練學生試題，他形容情況差過教改之前，根本沒有時間建立師生關係，家長看到6歲小朋友要操練試題亦很心痛。

梁紀昌在本台節目又表示，要評估學生能力不需要每年都進行TSA，亦可以只是抽樣評估小部分學生，更不需要針對每一間學校的學生能力進行評估。

他舉例，南韓教育部門只是抽取全國3%學生做評估，某些國際學生能力評估，只是每3年做1次。


Please read carefully the opinion of insider.  He has already pointed out the key drawback of current TSA system due to the problematic execution and how it is affecting the kids.  I don't know why still so many comments focusing and reemphasizing TSA's official purpose, which is all well understood by most of the parents.


Please remember he is an ex-EDB official and he also raised out suggestion to resolve the problem.

Doray

karen55407 發表於 15-11-5 18:00
我只知TSA表現是能反映出學校嘅學生學術程度嘅優、弱點，讓教局同學校合作改善。



  ...

The result of the TSA would be used by EDB to assess the school and then provide supports.  I have read through the news / comments from various sources and drawn the reference about only pressure would be exerted, rather than supports was given by EBD to those schools with poor TSA result.

One of reasons for TSA 異化就係當年教育局向小學施壓減派，我冇聽過有人提出過如果唔達標，教育局有任何實質支援.


That is one of the agenda for the TSA Concern group:

(六) 就已得悉TSA評估數據，務實為學校提供適切教學支援和協助；

oho1

oho1 發表於 15-11-5 17:48
所以這正是制度討論、檢討的必需性!  而非某撮人所主張非全盤推倒TSA不可!  改革過急也只會是好心做壞事!  ...

That's the No. 1 request at Doray's post no. 31# on page 2 ... "to turn down the TSA immediatly!"  Forgotten ?!  

Doray

This is a comment from other member:
我女學校由十年幾前開校，學校已經冷待TSA，甚至有學生交白卷，校長經教局施壓多年都不理會，繼續堅持愉快、探究、啓發式學習，完全冇花時間去操TSA，學生鍾意考成點都冇所謂。其實，當學校、家長仍然buy操練式教育，消取TSA與否，根本冇分別。


我女嗰間係直資，年年教育局都俾壓力學校要考好TSA，否則後果自負，好彩校長夠硬，冇理會教育局。


My comment is:  最慘你呢啲學校唔係官津……而你都識講教育局會施壓，有幾多校長頂得著？

Doray

oho1 發表於 15-11-5 18:19
That's the No. 1 request at Doray's post no. 31# on page 2 ... "to turn down the TSA immediatly!"   ...

Yes, I support to turn down the P3 TSA, not P6 one.  Can you tell me what's wrong by cancelling the P3 one?  Those already suggested there're still alternative ways to collect "data" from school, why don't you take that?
I told before:

EDB could either
1. cancel the P3 TSA immediately
2. can control those school and monster parent stop drilling the TSA.

However, option 2 is impossible to monitor effectively, only option one left.

oho1

mandycmt7 發表於 15-11-5 18:11
即如果第三點解決唔到，就唔可以叫取消小三TSA? 咁請問反對取消TSA嘅人，是否又覺得小一已經要做TSA練習是 ...

Correct !  I support that victims to voice out their problem and request for an IMMEDIATE "review" to the TSA
BUT not to immediately turn down the existing one before establishment of a better view / suggestion / system !  
That's the key point !   

Doray

But Key point is 吳局長走咗路

ronniedad

佢拖多兩拖就玩完落馬走人啦，佢駛理你感受？

oho1

Doray 發表於 15-11-5 18:13
2015-11-02 HKT 10:05

鮮魚行學校前校長梁紀昌表示，當年教統局推行教育改革，於2000年取消小學學能測驗， ...

That's the point !  Your just quote a typical example ! 問題之根本非單一制度、考試的不是!  若改變不了市民、市場、社會大眾之變質或怪獸心態...任何本善的policy / system 都會被它們錯誤解讀而變質! Turn down "學能測驗", "升中考試" 就來個 "TSA" & "Pre S-1"! Turn down "TSA" & "Pre S-1" 也可有千千萬萬個變種來應合變質或怪獸市民、市場、社會大眾之需求!  No rule & system is perfect !  Prior to the establishment of a better system,  review & fine-turn the existing one might be a better choice than turn it down completely.  Game without rule is the worst !  3改4, 4改3 又回到3改4, 母語教學, 增加學位課程, 副學士 ....!這些都是"急改"的反例!  以教育制度而言, 改必需, 但急必壞!!!

SillyU

Doray 發表於 15-11-5 18:23
Yes, I support to turn down the P3 TSA, not P6 one.  Can you tell me what's wrong by cancelling the ...

<<Day One 都冇人話Turn down 成個system, 係班花生友未搞清楚人地個訴求，淨係見個標題就起勢咁抽水話人，仲老屈人地， 我睇唔過眼先徙氣覆佢>>

Was it what you said on #37?  I agree that discussing with you is sort of 嘥氣 as you keep moving the goal.

ronniedad

都係果句，香港教育真係用心去攪的話，d舊制公務員及高官的子女，佢地讀咩書嘅？你攞咩數據出黎，都無法爭辯呢個最誠實的事實。佢地最緊要就係令佢地長時間要立係不敗的位置，佢地根本懶得理你地d市民有幾苦況啦。

karen55407

請問點解只小三個TSA要取消，咁小六嘅TSA呢？

ronniedad

問題就係家長們唔想小朋友一上小一，櫈都未坐暖就不斷要佢地承受呢d佢地年齡未適合去承受的壓力。

Doray

karen55407 發表於 15-11-5 19:17
請問點解只小三個TSA要取消，咁小六嘅TSA呢？

Pls see pt 46 re standpoint of P3 cancellation and i think the impact is greater. 我唔係高小家長，冇乜體會亦冇乜研究，留反俾過來人comment.

ronniedad

當你有機會行過d補習課室，佢地最開心由心而發的歡呼聲，就係老師話呢堂大家唔駛寸字。用大人個感覺佢地嘅感受？