真道並非authorized IB school, 高中無可能考到認可IB証書??????IB authorizatio

judy

rst

試問大家， 真道有這麼好的師資質數和優質課程

課程怎樣優質法，講來聽吓！

EdT

引文:
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誰說維園阿伯，全住在香港呢？
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Judy,  甚是, 甚是。明白哂。


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維多利亚公園、樹荫草綠，到那里的阿伯，理應是懂得享受人生之人。但自出現了幾個拿大聲公之阿伯，被稱"維園阿伯"，自此，維園cheap 晒，阿伯也cheap 晒。
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非也,非也。伯伯們忠肝義胆,少年時也許曾輕狂過,也許曾橫刀立馬,保家衛國。港台鵲巢鳩佔,本來伯伯們乘風納涼,棋盤上論天下之處給搗亂當然有點不高興,OK la。

伯伯不cheap, 小弟cheap因不肯付來回20元地鐵車票,所以做不成維園阿伯喇。

jimmywai

dear rst,

我在荷花出版的二零零四年全港小學選校指南一書內第二百九十一頁發現真道書院是在二零零二年創校,為何你說在2001年本港十大最佳師資小學
最新一期，亦即第二次出版的《小學概覽》，披露了全港師資最佳的小學名單中有真道書院?

我是一個中立的家長,我相信每一位家長的選擇都有他們心目中的理證據,他們亦都會支持他們所選的學校,我們要討論的是客觀的事實理據,我曾經聽過入學簡介會,也聽過特別為已經是真道小一的家長會,丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友會很快樂 - 我相信. 丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友會學到很多知識 - 我相信. 丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友會很累,不需要再參加課外活動, 丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友的家長很多是專業人士, 如醫生,會計師,工程師等等. 丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友很多已經為學校得到很多很多的獎項,但由於丘校長是個低姿態的人,所以沒有向外公佈及沒有將獎牌,獎狀,獎盃展覽在學校裏. 丘校長會說教英文不一定要外籍英語老師,所以他請了一個在外國深造很多年的華人老師教英文, 丘校長會說在真道讀書的小朋友的家長會很開心,因為有家長會,有合唱團,有團契等等,我看見家長會的主席非常開心,因為她參加了合唱團, 我看見團契會的主席非常開心, 因為她參加了團契,丘校長還於家長日當天破天荒的放映一段上課的片段,使家長們有多些了解. 我亦不得不承認丘校長是一個很會說話的人, 但他的辦學理念是很好的- 我是認同的. 以上是我個人的感受及我聽我見.

rst

Judy
你所說的越是新校，"師資"越好。因為，現時之大學生比比皆是呀。以前會考5D1C讀師範，現在5D1C讀大學。 我並不同意，因為真道的老師有好多都有十年以上經驗，有些還有三十多年經驗。 在一般小學，都沒有博士級老師，但真道書院郤有四位博士級老師，還有些老師現正修讀博士課程。

至於課程方面，我是憑我囡囡帶回來的教材覺得的，短短數星期，我以覺得好豐富和有趣。真是非一般傳統教學能做到的。  但至於內容方面，我就不便透露了，因為會觸及版權條例。

再者，你認為現在的大學生質數比以前的差，那麼教育改革是必然的。所以真道書院就潮着這方向走，那有什麼問題。最近政府所建議使用專科專教去針對中英數三科，而真道書院一開始以使用這方法去針對每一科。所以你們認為是好的方法，真道而先行一步了。 那麼為什麼還不信它呢?

我不是教徒，所以我不會因為某些人而盲目去追隨，我只是相信自已的判斷，親身了解學校的背景、教學方法、理念等等，再作出決定。

ykwong

philip:

"當如果我發現BK這個平台的言論自由空間有所被人操暴地限制，我會很遺憾和憤怒"

此句何解？是否被限制發言？不是挑撥，只因我早前有上不到BK 的經驗，想印証一下。

我一向認為，言論大可自由，語氣側毋須介懷，性格或文字表達水平因人而異。最重要還是內容。

封筆！言重了！Never says never again!

jimmywai

Dear all,

我自己常常問自己及朋友,辦學校的,最重要是什麼? 理念當然重要,教學方法當然亦重要,但老師的質素是非常重要, 但老師有十年以上經驗，或三十多年經驗, 還有老師擁有博士級學歷, 又或者現正修讀博士課程, 就等於是識得教導學生?  如果沒有經驗或博士級學歷, 就不能教導出優秀的學生? 我個人相信這是不能成正比的.

至於課程方面, 我又相信沒有一問小學是不豐富和有趣的。如一般傳統教學不能做到, 那麼傳統學校的學生了包括皇仁,華仁,英華等等的一般傳統學校, 我相信都不能順利過渡至中學及至到大學了.

再者，認為現在的大學生質數比以前的差，我個人相信這只是一小部份, 教育改革當然是必然的。所以很多學校就潮着這方向走，當中也包括傳統學校,如聖保羅男女小學等, 那有什麼問題。最近政府所建議使用專科專教去針對中英數三科，而很多學校如港大同學會小學等一開始或已開始以使用這方法去針對每一科。所以你們認為是好的方法，很多學校如優才小學等只是先行一步。 那麼為什麼特別?

信仰當然不是盲目去追隨, 是心靈的寄託, 不是常常掛在口邊. 我又相信每一位家長選擇學校時都是相信自已的判斷, 親身了解學校的背景、教學方法、理念等等，再作出決定。

judy

小弟cheap因不肯付來回20元地鐵車票,所以做不成維園阿伯喇。

EdT，

就算给你一張無限額的八達通，你也做不成"維園阿伯"的。要做維園阿伯，必須有以下幾項特點：

1.心胸狹窄，容不下别人的聲音。
2.知識水平極低，令其永遠站在低層次看問題。
3.自我形象低落，而不惜一而再地做出有損個人形象之行為。

依我之見，在這題目中的論者，還未出現"維園阿伯"。

judy

rst,

我說的是"新校"，不是專指真道。因現在大學生比比皆是，如只以大學生之比例來比較師資，新校一定着數而己。

至於真道師資好，在它的Web-site中己得知。

但至於內容方面，我就不便透露了，因為會觸及版權條例。

誰要你將內容說出來呢？以你的表達能力，難道無法來個說明介绍呢？這又怎會違反版權條例。(印象中，只有邪邪地的課程才採取此處施，真道不會是吧)。

校長是教徒，却祟尚道學，難道連課程也玄之又玄麽？

Enchante

rst 寫道:
我並不同意，因為真道的老師有好多都有十年以上經驗，有些還有三十多年經驗。 在一般小學，都沒有博士級老師，但真道書院郤有四位博士級老師，還有些老師現正修讀博士課程。

'''三十多年經驗'''' 18 yrs old High school graducated; 21-2 yrs old university graducated; 30 yrs experience = 21-2 + 30 = 51-2 yrs old. They are almost retired lu.... I think they will OUTDATE lu.
''''有博士級老師''''' SO WHAT !? That only say that those teachers have their own abilities for studying. NOT EQUAL to they have abilities to teach puipls better.
'''''有些老師現正修讀博士課程'''' How do they arrange limited time for both of their studies and teaching LOGOS' puplis?

rst 寫道:至於課程方面，我是憑我囡囡帶回來的教材覺得的，短短數星期，我以覺得好豐富和有趣。真是非一般傳統教學能做到的。  但至於內容方面，我就不便透露了，因為會觸及版權條例。

''''觸及版權條例''''   

cow

Below are the comments to Logos that I saw in this topic. I added some more comments. Also, I am not able to include all the comments and the classifications of the comments may not be the orginal ideas of the orginal autures. Please correct me if I mis-understood what you said.

Negative Comments
1. IB
1.1 真道並非authorized IB school (lulukkkzzz)
[Application for IBD 有甚麼難處?若只inspect教師團隊及學校課程,相信一點也不難 - EdT]
[Logos will only provide IBO's Diploma course several years later-cow]
1.2 人家要用5至6年時間先可以叫學生完成IB Middle Years Programm。Mr. Yau 拍心口用3年就可以！得唔得架？(Philipwhau)
[真道並無提供IB Middle Years Programm]
1.3 Logos can't show enough resources to employ enough native English and Mandarin
speaking teachers in order to meet the IBO's language policies.(Philipwhau)
[I think resources are not the issue]
1.4 假如真道不能在2013[2010]提供IB DP課程，現在這批小二[小三]學生就會出現課程函接的問題。(Philipwhau)[不要那麽卑觀]

2. 丘校長
2.1 Mr. Yau just speaks the beautiful slogans (Philipwhau)
[He has done so many things for the school, I just appreciate him]
2.2 校長用過多時間接見準小一家長，餘下用於學校的大少 (Judy)
[接見每位準小一家長只發生在頭兩年，現在已不同了。]
2.3 [只]對校長有信心.真的好宗教. (tobyyes2003)
[真道家長對校長有信心不是盲目的，真道家長跟校長和學校老師都有很多溝通機會，明白學校的方向]
2.4 對個人崇拜的行為是相當危險的，邱校長現在已五十多歲，他最終會有離開真道的一日。(Philipwhau)
[邱校長如果萬萬一基於某種原因離開真道，真的會對真道做成影響，正如一間企業的CEO對公司的影響是非常之大。]

3. Website
3.1 務虚 (Judy, Philipwhau)
3.2 全篇是形容詞,就連圖片也不能反映學校之一些點滴。空洞得令人吃惊 (Judy)
3.3 在Website 所看到的好像真道現在已提供IB課程。(Philipwhau, Enchante)
[可能我已知道IBD是什麽，所以從一開始看它的Website也不覺得真道會提供或正在提供PYP和MYP課程。我奉勸各位準小一家長盡可能参加心怡小學的小一入學簡介會，對學校課程可多作了解。]

4. 語文
4.1 Not confident in Logos' language policies (Philipwhau)
4.2 不認同真道現時在小學推行之語文政策(Philipwhau)
4.3 學生的英文及普通話能力差異很大。(Philipwhau 朋友)
4.4 Not Enough Native English-speaking Teachers (cow)
4.5 P1-P3 do not use Putonghua to teach Chinese Language (cow)
[真道P1-P3是有普通話課的]
[可能真道覺得P4才用普通話全面教中文比較好，和在P4才引入多些NET，但我個人覺得在P1最遲在P2要實行]

5.其他
5.1 真道現時的資源很難在三五七年內做到丘校長所講的理想 (Philipwhau)
[資源倒不成問題。丘校長所講的理想確實不易做到，三五七年內也許不能成為與世界各地優秀學府相比的學校，但要成為一所受家長歡迎、受學生愛載的學校可能已經做到，希望真道和其他好些香港的學校，包括大、中、小學有朝一日都可以成為世界一流的學府]
5.2 There are so many things uncertain (song)
[We should let our kids to take challenges. Anyway, life is full of uncertainties]
5.3  It is not easy to find a traditional primary school to receive a pupil who's studied Logo's for more than one year. (Enchante)
[I don't think so. By the way, there are still quite a number of non-traditional primary schools in HK]
5.4 讀完第三階段的課程是否肯定真的有資格及可以應付兩個不同課程的考試。(lulukkkzzz,so.san happylife)
[大學三改四,中學需改為3+3,現行的AL試課程基本上會有很大改革,現在的高小學生及中學老師都會被影響及。IBD逐漸為人所知,和本港現推行的大小改革方向好像頗一致。將來的高中試想來不會和IBD南轅北轍吧。- EdT]
[IB Diploma 可以用作申請本地大學，若真的不能應付未來的本地大學入學試，亦不成問題 , I just want to know how many parents prefer Logos to provide IB Diploma or IBD plus 未來的本地大學入學試課程,
I prefer Logos to provide IBD only - cow]

Neutral
N1 真道不只對小朋友要求高,對家長亦一樣,要求自律,自省,自學 (didima)
N2 如自問沒有質素的與子女相處,就不要報真道了 (didima)
N3 邱校長確實要求家長對子女的教育有很大的commitment。(Philipwhau)
N4 真道之Website描述，的確使人覺得真道全部十一年的課程是與IB課程有關
N5 有四位博士級老師，還有些老師現正修讀博士課程。(rst)
[我巴它放在這裹因有人覺得是好也有人覺得是壞]
N6 如果家長無能為力是否不要考慮真道? (tobyyes2003)

Positive

1. 課程
1.1 一條龍的中小學課程 (cow)
1.2 學生在最後三年的課程,將會完成全球(當然包括香港)公認的大學預科國際文憑課程。(cow)
1.3 可以提前一到兩年的時間入讀大學。(cow)
1.4 課程是参考世界各地的課程而編定的。(cow)

2. 丘校長
2.1 邱校長擁有老子般的思想,很勁 (didima)
2.2 對丘校長有信心,例如他曾將一間藉藉無名的中學,在他領導下成為一所band one的中學(didima)
2.3 丘校長的辦學理念是很好的 (jimmywai)
2.4 丘校長會談中、他給我的印象是一位很堅持個人理念和自信甚高的教育工作者。他是直得別人尊重的。 (Philipwhau)
2.5 丘校長不單可以以校長的身份，更可以以家長的身份教我們怎樣教導孩子。(cow)
2.6 教育經驗豐富。

3. 教師
3.1 聽說請了很多高薪名師，應不會太差吧！(Judy)
3.2 好的師資質數,100%學位教師 (rst)
3.3 教師經常参加教師交流會和到外地考擦。(cow)
3.4 有些真道教師的子女都是讀真道的,証明他們對學校的認同。(cow)
3.5 好多老師都有十年以上經驗。

4. 學生
4.1 能主動學習(rst,babe04)
[能主動學習" is the basic property of children, there is nothing peculiar about that - LungWai]
4.2 會很快樂 (rst, jimmywai,babe04)

5.其他
5.1 教育工作者,都推介真道 (didima)
5.2 對學校整體上滿意 (cow)
5.3 教材豐富和有趣 (rst)
[沒有一問小學是不豐富和有趣的-jimmywai]

Enchante

1.1 真道並非authorized IB school (lulukkkzzz)
[It is not a Negative Comment but a FACT. Did 真道 provide IB Programme NOW? Was 真道 an authorized IB School NOW?]

1.2 人家要用5至6年時間先可以叫學生完成IB Middle Years Programm。Mr. Yau 拍心口用3年就可以！得唔得架？(Philipwhau)
[It doesn't related to "真道並無提供IB Middle Years Programm" It's only an example that applying an IB programme is not a easy job.]

1.3 Logos can't show enough resources to employ enough native English and Mandarin
speaking teachers in order to meet the IBO's language policies.(Philipwhau)
[I think resources are not the issue]
[If you thought resources were not the issue, what is the ISSUE? please let us know.]

1.4 假如真道不能在2013[2010]提供IB DP課程，現在這批小二[小三]學生就會出現課程函接的問題。(Philipwhau)[不要那麽卑觀]
[If your child is one of those 小二[小三]學生, are you sure you also have this comment?

2. 丘校長
2.1 Mr. Yau just speaks the beautiful slogans (Philipwhau)[He has done so many things for the school, I just appericate him]
[What did he do actually, I really can't see any woh, would you mind tell us one by one?  Meanwhile, I just know he seems do a lots of thing to promote his school jei.]

2.2 校長用過多時間接見準小一家長，餘下用於學校的大少 (Judy)[接見每位準小一家長只發生在頭兩年，現在已不同了。]
[I was told that Mr. Yau also meet at least double size of P-1 pupils' Parents woh. And the meeting time not just a few minutes But around half an hour.]

2.3 [只]對校長有信心.真的好宗教. (tobyyes2003)[真道家長對校長有信心不是盲目的，真道家長跟校長和學校老師都有很多溝通機會，明白學校的方向]
[盲目 or not. It all depends lah. Right!很多溝通機會?? 明白學校的方向??? Any example ar?]

2.4 對個人崇拜的行為是相當危險的，邱校長現在已五十多歲，他最終會有離開真道的一日。(Philipwhau)[邱校長如果萬萬一基於某種原因離開真道，真的會對真道做成影響，正如一間企業的CEO對公司的影響是非常之大。
[If as you said that Mr. Yau 離開真道,真的會對真道做成影響 ，正如一間企業的CEO對公司的影響是非常之大, I can say that Logos is not a good school. I think most of Parents here will understand my meaning, maybe you do not.]

3. Website
3.1 務虚 (Judy, Philipwhau)
3.2 全篇是形容詞,就連圖片也不能反映學校之一些點滴。空洞得令人吃惊 (Judy)
3.3 在Website 所看到的好像真道現在已提供IB課程。(Philipwhau, Enchante)
[可能我已知道IBD是什麽，所以從一開始看它的Website也不覺得真道會提供或正在提供PYP和MYP課程。我奉勸各位準小一家長盡可能参加心怡小學的小一入學簡介會，對學校課程可多作了解。][Oops, you seems still do not understanding our worries.我奉勸YOU盡可能参加小一入學簡介會again，對 Logos 多作了解。][]


5.3  It is not easy to find a traditional primary school to receive a pupil who's studied Logo's for more than one year. (Enchante)
[I don't think so. By the way, there are still quite a number of non-traditional primary schools in HK]
[That's not Tradional or Non-tradional reason. From this point, I think you really not realize the Logos' 三階段的課程.If you have time, please ask your principal Mr. Yau]



Positive

1. 課程
1.1 一條龍的中小學課程 (cow)
1.2 學生在最後三年的課程,將會完成全球(當然包括香港)公認的大學預科國際文憑課程。(cow)
[Oops, once again. It's not a FACT at this moment.]
1.3 可以提前一到兩年的時間入讀大學。(cow)
1.4 課程是参考世界各地的課程而編定的。(cow)[Oh, really??]

2. 丘校長
2.1 邱校長擁有老子般的思想,很勁 (didima)
2.2 對丘校長有信心,例如他曾將一間藉藉無名的中學,在他領導下成為一所band one的中學(didima)[As it said, why no media to report this ?]
2.3 丘校長的辦學理念是很好的 (jimmywai)
2.4 丘校長會談中、他給我的印象是一位很堅持個人理念和自信甚高的教育工作者。他是直得別人尊重的。 (Philipwhau)
2.5 丘校長不單可以以校長的身份，更可以以家長的身份教我們怎樣教導孩子。(cow)
2.6 教育經驗豐富。

3. 教師
3.1 聽說請了很多高薪名師，應不會太差吧！(Judy)
3.2 好的師資質數,100%學位教師 (rst)
3.3 教師經常参加教師交流會和到外地考擦。(cow)
3.4 有些真道教師的子女都是讀真道的,証明他們對學校的認同。(cow)
3.5 好多老師都有十年以上經驗。
[I was told that some of logos' teachers are come from one DSS Primary School which located in kowloon east.]

Enchante

The IBO offers three programmes of international education that span the primary, middle and secondary school years. The Primary Years Programme (PYP) is designed for students aged 3-12, the Middle Years Programme (MYP) for students aged 11-16, and the Diploma Programme (DP) for students aged 16-19. While these programmes form a continuous sequence, each may be offered independently.

This message is copied from IBO website. In Hong Kong, P1 students are around 6 yrs old. So...

P2=7yrs old; P3=8yrs old; --- first stage of Logos

P4,5 & 6 = 9,10 & 11yrs old
S1&2 = 12 & 13 yrs old ---second stage of Logos

S3, 4&5 =14, 15 & 16 yrs old -- Third stage of logos

As Mr Yau said that their students can seat for IB diploma exam after finished their third stage. So, that's mean they can really get into Universities earlier than others' IB School in world lu. Am I right?

The Primary Years Programme (PYP), for students aged 3 to 12, focuses on the development of the whole child, in the classroom but also in the world outside, through other environments where children learn. It offers a framework that meets children’s several needs: academic, social, physical, emotional and cultural.

The PYP serves as an excellent introduction to the Middle Years Programme (MYP), but it is not a prerequisite for this or for the Diploma Programme (DP).

The Middle Years Programme (MYP) provides a framework of academic challenge and life skills for students aged 11-16 years. The five-year programme offers an educational approach that embraces yet transcends traditional school subjects. It naturally follows the Primary Years Programme (PYP) and serves as excellent preparation for the Diploma Programme (DP).

Schools may subscribe to any or all of the programmes, although none is a prerequisite for another.

The Diploma Programme

The IBO’s Diploma Programme (DP) was created in 1968. It is a demanding pre-university course of study that leads to examinations. It is designed for highly motivated secondary school students aged 16 to 19.
The programme has earned a reputation for rigorous assessment, giving IB diploma holders access to the world’s leading universities. The DP's grading system is criterion-referenced, which means that each student’s performance is measured against well-defined levels of achievement. These are consistent from one examination session to the next and are applied equally to all schools.

The IBO has shown, over the course of 30 years, that students are well prepared for university work. They are accepted by universities all over the world.
The programme is a comprehensive two-year international curriculum, available in English, French and Spanish.
It generally allows students to fulfill the requirements of their national or state education systems. The DP incorporates the best elements of national systems, without being based on any one.
Internationally mobile students are able to transfer from one DP school to another. Students who remain closer to home benefit from a highly respected international curriculum.

The programme was born of efforts to establish a common curriculum and university entry credential for students moving from one country to another. International educators were motivated by practical considerations but also by an idealistic vision. They believed that students should share an academic experience that would emphasize critical thinking, intercultural understanding and exposure to a variety of points of view.

Enchante

將來的中學需改為3+3 because 大學三改四

That's mean
1.Primary School      = 6 yrs
2.Secondary School  = 6 yrs

So, our kids must finished 12 yrs of Primary & Secondary School 課程 then can seat for 將來的高中試.

BUT LOGOS' students just finished 3+5+3 = 11 yrs and they can seat for 將來的高中試 OR IB diploma lah. I understand why so many parents let their kids apply LOGOS lah. Either they seat for 將來的高中試 or IB diploma, they earn at least one yrs than OTHER Schools.

Enchante

One more thing, in hong kong there are FIVE international school provide IB Diploma.

1. Chinese International School
2. Sha Tin College
3. Yew Chung International School
4. French International School
5. Li Po Chun United World College of Hong Kong

cow

From FAQ at www.ibo.org
Can any student enroll in an IB programme?
Only students enrolled in an IBO-authorized school may participate in an IB programme.

I don't know whether a will-be-authorized school can claim that it's providing the IB program.

I would like to raise some more questions here:
1. Could Logos recruit Native English Speaking Teachers and Native Putonghua Speaking Teachers to teach its future IB Diploma course ?
2. Does Logos really not have enough resources to recruit enought NET and DPT for the IBD?
(New DSS school has got HK government susidized for about $21000 per student each year. The school fee for Logos' IBD will be properly more than $30000 per year based on current living standard)
3. Can Cantonese used to teach as the first language for IBD ?
4. Can Cantonese used to teach as the second language for IBD ?
5. When IBO accesses the IBD program, will it also access the qualifications of the teachers not related to the IBD program (eg: the current teachers who teach the foundation [primay] years students) ?

EdT

還是那一句“有甚麼難? 難在那裏?”

大陸深圳、廣東本土學校申請IB都行,有些還註明是中文教學呢!我認為師資,教學法、觀察力和愛心最緊要。NATIVE SPEAKING?我在美加工作第二年已戒除HK accent, 第三年已說得和他們一樣快了(其實說得快,甚麼hk accent也沒有了)。Practice makes perfect, 講得多,任誰都可說流利英語。在課室內以英語BS slang講笑話有何難,我也行。 能引導,教曉和啟發小朋友學習動機才難。