直 資 「 一 條 龍 」 拒 直 升 惹 爭 議

chan803

原文章由 mattsmum 於 08-6-26 22:13 發表
is the whole thing a contract?
offer:一條龍, interpreted by parents as 直升中學 (maybe a wrong intepretation)
acceptance: parents send their kid there,
consideration: school fee.

is this a breach of  ...

不如睇返教育局點講呀:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/cm194chi.pdf

• 中學的中一學位必須多於小學的小六畢業生人數，以收取全數小學部的學生

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/embc32006c.pdf

• 「一條龍」中學在收取連繫小學的所有小六學生後，可預留餘額的一半或中一學位總數....

睇埋英文版:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/EN/Content_185/cm194eng.pdf

• the number of S1 places in the secondary school must exceed the number of P6 graduates of the linked primary school so as to allow admission of all P6 graduates;

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/EN/Content_185/embc32006e.pdf

• a "through-train" secondary school is allowed to reserve half of the remaining places after admitting all P6 graduates of its linked primary school ....

[ 本文章最後由 chan803 於 08-6-27 09:25 編輯 ]

siuwa

我相信學校應該一早有講明, 要直昇中學應該要中英數合格(maybe 要科科合格)及操行最少要B(因為好多一條龍既學校大部份要求都係).  如果學生做到個要求, 而學校唔收, 就一定係學校錯.  反悔對小學同中學都冇好處.  但如果學生最唔到, 就唔可以話係學校錯, 你科科唔合格點收啊.  雖然話係一條龍, 如果個個想法係一定入中學, 唔比心機讀, 中學點算?

chan803

原文章由 siuwa 於 08-6-27 09:42 發表
..., 中學點算?...

咪脫龍, 做返聯繫中小學咪得 law.

或者派人幫小學手, 教好 d 學生.

sosochui

原文章由 daydream 於 08-6-26 21:00 發表
They only have to ensure that the applicants possess min English standard in order to be able to study in ESF primary.  The objective is to screen out those "Mentally retarded and others special problem kids" because they cannot follow the education offered by a general ESF primary.  However, ESF has also operated a special school to cater for those "Mentally retarded and others special problem kids" (Of course only for non-Chinese kid because other special local schools will take care of those Chinese kids with problems)l ...

Not likely. The English requirement is clearly stated in the website of ESF, and it is not just minimal. I don't think that those who do not fulfill the entry requirement is MR or kids with special disease. Actually, many normal kids in Hk do not fulfill it.

Normally, children with LD do not require special school training because they usually have normal IQ. They actually receive mainstream education, but require modified syllabus and special care. As I know, there is not integrated education for secondary school students in HK. I know some is like Yew Chung do admit some children with special need. I know one with Down's syndrome studying there. But, her parents have to paid for it of course.

mow-mow

Wow, such overbearing superiority complex!
I have to say that I have nothing against ESF, just your holier than thou attitude.
Leaving your category 1 students aside, surely there are more category 2 applicants than ESF places on offer. So ESF will have to SELECT amongst those students. I do not profess to know what criteria they use for such selection but it is already NOT non-selective.
Also, ESF are fee paying schools with a minimal English requirement, so the parents of the students:
1) can afford to pay the school fees & therefore are willing as well as fiancially able to give extra help to their kids if necessary;
2) are themselves fairly well educated - it won't be easy to nurture a child to be able to speak fluent enough English to pass your minimal English requirement tests if the parents themselves don't at least have a little understanding of the language.
Regardless of what selection criteria ESF uses to SELECT amongst the category 2 students, they already ensure that they have students who have a better than average chance to do well.
UGA secondary school uses English as their teaching medium & this kid failed in her English - not too unlike failing to get past ESF's minimal English requirement?!
And yes, there is a difference in the philosophy of the 2 schools but at the end of the day, the aim is the same - putting the kid in the most suitable place.
There is no shame in moving schools, why make such a big fuss when staying is clearly not the best option for the kid. The school has tried for 7 years & now declares that they can offer nothing more. Isn't that honesty better than keeping the kid & hindering her possible progress in a more suitable school?
Philosophy is all about what you believe, & you can't force yours onto others just like I can't force mine onto you!

mattsmum

that is why "一條龍, interpreted by parents as 直升中學 (maybe a wrong intepretation)".

"香港大學，培育過中國最大的叛逆者孫中山    ，在陳巧文風波中再次讓人看到教育的信念和希望".

現在, 看到甚麼.

rohoy2k

再玩吓文字遊戲, 叫小學校長唔簽畢業證書, 咁咪唔叫graduates........囖

原文章由 chan803 於 08-6-27 09:17 發表


不如睇返教育局點講呀:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/cm194chi.pdf



http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/embc32006c.pdf



睇埋英文版:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileMana ...

[ 本文章最後由 rohoy2k 於 08-6-27 15:23 編輯 ]

Charlotte_mom

	睇資料要小心, 你所quote既資料係for"現邀請符合以下三項原則的資助和官立中、小學申請結為「一條龍」學校：" <--直資學校並唔包括的 而睇返小學概覽http://chsc.edb.hkedcity.net/primary/, 一條龍既解釋係咁:
	9. 【『一條龍』學校】 採用「一條龍」辦學模式的官立或資助中學和小學，擁有相同的教育理想，並會致力加強中、小學教育的連貫性。「一條龍」中學有足夠的中一學位全數收取所屬小學的小六畢業生，並會預留部分學位供其他小學的學生循自行分配學位或統一派位兩種途徑申請入讀。「一條龍」學校內的小六畢業生可以毋須參加升中派位機制而直接升讀所屬中學。如學生不願意升讀所屬中學，可申請其他中學的自行分配學位。若學生決定申請其他中學的自行分配學位而結果不獲取錄，她／他只可以參加統一派位而不能保留直升所屬中學的權利。有關直資和私立學校所採用的「一條龍」辦學模式，家長須直接向個別有關的直資或私立學校查詢。 可能有人覺得直資學校唔收晒自己學生係immoral, 但呢樣並唔違反規則, 家長o係選擇學校時, 要小心考慮

原文章由 chan803 於 08-6-27 09:17 AM 發表


不如睇返教育局點講呀:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/cm194chi.pdf



http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_185/embc32006c.pdf



睇埋英文版:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/FileMana ...

chan803

原文章由 Charlotte_mom 於 08-6-27 15:45 發表


睇資料要小心, 你所quote既資料係for"現邀請符合以下三項原則的資助和官立中、小學申請結為「一條龍」學校："  

既然如此, 咁就唔好叫 「一條龍」學校 啦.

sosochui

原文章由 chan803 於 08-6-27 16:26 發表


既然如此, 咁就唔好叫 「一條龍」學校 啦.

我發覺「一條龍」既理解, 係好因人而異既, 好似從來冇gold standard, 我個人覺得需合乎最底要求, 而要求唔太苛刻又從入學時已經事前聲明既話, 係合情合理囉

其實件事攪到咁, 我估大港同會收番個女仔, 不過入到又係咪=對個女仔好呢, 又未必囉! 我始終唔明點解佢父母唔幫佢選擇母語教學既學校

legomama

同意！

自己小朋友今年都會讀「一條龍」學校，但學校一早已講明要中、英、數合格「就」可直升中學。

自己有哂心理準備，如小朋友應付唔到，都會轉校。「寧為雞咀、莫為牛後」可能轉去另一間小學會有新天地會開心啲！小朋友跟唔到，大家都辛苦，何必呢！

原文章由 sosochui 於 08-6-27 16:39 發表


我發覺「一條龍」既理解, 係好因人而異既, 好似從來冇gold standard, 我個人覺得需合乎最底要求, 而要求唔太苛刻又從入學時已經事前聲明既話, 係合情合理囉

其實件事攪到咁, 我估大港同會收番個女仔, 不 ...

Charlotte_mom

我都覺得個term好誤導, 就算好似你咁, 上網睇清睇楚, 都可能中招(so far我o係網頁搵到有關直資一條龍既資料, 就係得一句, 叫家長自己去問學校)
其實政府對直資既監管存在好多爭our點, 例如點解一個學生可以register多過一間直資, 但又唔可以register多過一間津校, 又或者津校一直要收細佬妹, 直資就唔一定, 點解攪攪下又唔俾直資行ib, 初時又唔講.....
我好同情呢位唔能夠升中既小朋友 (我自己個仔都有語言障礙, 面對既問題我多多少少都明白), 不過家長咁做, 真係好肉酸.......唔通到我個仔去考家姐讀緊間直資, 人地唔收, 我又去開記招話學校歧視咩?

原文章由 chan803 於 08-6-27 04:26 PM 發表


既然如此, 咁就唔好叫 「一條龍」學校 啦.

dad1234

原文章由 chan803 於 08-6-27 09:06 發表

你真係得 ge

三三四有邊度明示/暗示一定有得讀大學呀? 又有邊個行 三三四 的地區係保證一定有得讀大學呀.
打橫黎講

不如你答返我個問題:

如果一條龍的中學真係可以 set 收生要求 ...

我係問問題,唔係話一定可以讀大學.
唔洗咁勞氣,我當然知三三四唔係一定可以升大學啦

dad1234

個家長玩到咁大
照收,中英數唔合格就留級,留到合格先可以升級,睇怕讀完中六都要2x歲

CWLC

原文章由 dad1234 於 08-6-27 18:55 發表
個家長玩到咁大
照收,中英數唔合格就留級,留到合格先可以升級,睇怕讀完中六都要2x歲

如果真的這樣 讀其他學校好過
看來 那家長真的無為子女著想
何不好好同學校商量
好過下下拿教育局壓學校

Jean

我覺得無需要爭拗, 如果我地可以知道其他直資中學(一條龍)是否全數連主科不合格的學生也收回. 那才批評港大同學會是否擇優而教. 否則港同便因單一事件無辜被外界誤會她不履行承諾.
如果只是家長主觀認定一條龍必須收回其小學部學生, 而不考慮學生能力. 我也不敢送子女到這些一條龍學校. 學生讀唔讀書都可直升中學, 學生還有什麼目標, 還需要努力嗎. 可任意學生不努力而直升的學校, 咪好似那些扔低仔女上深圳消遣既父母,全無責任.
事實上, 主科合格也是最低的要求. 口口聲聲用個女係學障兒來做武器, 唔收就開記者會. 講得唔好聽咪叫勒鎖.
之前有人post過記者向多間真資中學查詢是否必定收回小學部學生. 我睇過, 跟本無一間百份百話一定收,大部份回答成績要達標. 咁主科不合格=成績達標? 不達標

AdaHo123

原文章由 Jean 於 08-6-28 01:07 發表
我覺得無需要爭拗, 如果我地可以知道其他直資中學(一條龍)是否全數連主科不合格的學生也收回. 那才批評港大同學會是否擇優而教. 否則港同便因單一事件無辜被外界誤會她不履行承諾.
如果只是家長主觀認定一條龍必須 ...

咁, 咩叫 "一條龍" 啊? "一條龍" 的意義是什麼啊?
又點解 "直資一條龍" 就應該設限, 規定主科合格先可以升番中學, "官津一條龍" 就唔可以設限, 全部都要收番? 兩者都有攞政府錢, 全部來自納稅人喎, 唔該有人解釋吓原因啊.
直資收生已有收生權, 學生自己揀, 教咗六年都夠膽唔收番自己小學部學生, 話人哋唔達標, 唔醜既咩?
掛住 "HKU" 個名, 唔該學校當局諗吓咩叫 "教育" 啦, 教育唔係指 "中英數合格" 啊:;pppp: , 唉

tongyimtong

原文章由 AdaHo123 於 08-6-28 22:18 發表

咁, 咩叫 "一條龍" 啊? "一條龍" 的意義是什麼啊?
又點解 "直資一條龍" 就應該設限, 規定主科合格先可以升番中學, "官津一條龍" 就唔可以設限, 全部都要收番? 兩者都有攞政府錢, 全部來自納稅人喎, 唔該有人解釋吓 ...

1. 以我所知，直資學校為了較大的辦學自由度，所以放棄了很多政府的金錢津貼。辦學團體和校董會要相應付出較多的補貼。

政府時常「殺校」，就是想迫學校轉直資。「鮮魚行」轉直資，聞說校董會都用了近千萬。

2. 「港大同學會」應該同港大無直接關係。

3.  其實教統局在此事上，是否責任最大。因為政策含糊，令家長誤會。在出事後，亦無斡旋和澄清。

純粹討論，如有錯，請指正。