St Joseph VS ST Paul Boys, 高主教, ST Stephen

麟媽媽

以下是取自教局網頁之直屬額指引，
由今年開始自行分配學位為總學額之20%，
而重讀生額為5%，剩下學位之85% 才是預留直屬額。
所以，只有Band 1 生才可肯定佔一席位，
剩下直屬額便由Band 2 電腦隨機編號而決定，
所以只要唔夠運，Band 2 頭抽唔到，
Band 2 尾抽中是極有可能的，
所以St. Jo 要擠入Band 1 (即約頭70-80 名)，
先至最保險，如果唔係便要看命水又或是靠叩門了。


【直屬及聯繫學校】
直屬及聯繫學校制度的主要作用，是容許中、小學教育之間保持較大的連貫性，及促進參與此制度的學校，建立本身的校風。在現行直屬學校制度下，直屬中學經扣除重讀生及校方自行分配學位後，可為其直屬小學最多保留餘額百分之八十五的學位，而聯繫學校則最多可保留餘額的百分之二十五。直屬及聯繫小學的學生如屬學校網第一及第二派位組別，並以直屬或聯繫中學為其校網內首選學校，便有資格獲派保留學位。直屬及聯繫中學亦可選擇取錄所有三個派位組別的學生。若符合資格的人數多於直屬或聯繫中學所保留的學額，便會按學生的學校網派位組別及電腦隨機編號的先後，依次序分配學位。

FUNG12345

Sarah20023005 寫道:
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FUNG12345 寫道:
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po.mummy 寫道:
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FUNG12345 寫道:
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Leechi 寫道:
Fung12345,

聽講St Jo 是8斑小學只有3.5斑升上St Jo 中學,是否太冒險?

3.5班重唔多?
加埋1d轉去其他名校o既學生, 我諗都過半人入到名校
重有d冇咁勁, 可能都入到band1學校
我諗考一半以上, 唔係好冒險姐....
如果咁都做唔到, 真係入邊間學校都死=.=[/quote]


麟媽媽 寫道:St. Jo 小學有8 班約320 人，咁大約40% 入番中學。華仁小學有4 班約160 人，咁大約65% 入番中學。
Leechi 寫道:聽講St Jo 是8斑小學只有3.5斑升上St Jo 中學,是否太冒險?

FUNG12345回應 寫道:3.5班重唔多?加埋1d轉去其他名校o既學生, 我諗都過半人入到名校重有d冇咁勁, 可能都入到band1學校我諗考一半以上, 唔係好冒險姐...如果咁都做唔到, 真係入邊間學校都死.

[size=medium]低能仔..!人地話..St. Jo 小學大約40% 入番St. Jo中學,華仁小學大約65% 入番華仁中學。問題係好清楚 ,40%同 65%比較, 係一樣好簡單既數學加減常識,大家完全明白! 咁就正明左你間..,深水涉廢校英華教出黎 ge學生真係會係咁白痴加低能既囉……!就年一D咁簡單既數學加減常識都唔識. 完全冇邏輯思維.冇正確理據冇正確資料咁就可以喜度狗屁不通,成日淨係識講果句…<<我諗>>…<<我覺得>>問你死未?深水涉英華學生,你知唔知醜架..!如果人地真係信你咁揀學校,真係入倒邊間學校都死……哈! 哈!其實BK家長係用邏輯思維,用正確理據去發表自已意見,揀St. Jo比較蝕底……完全啱喎！

                      
                      

[size=large]<<我諗>>…<<我覺得>>             :-)
[size=medium]真係信你一成蛇都死…! :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-) [/quote]
依家冇人話要比較st jo同華仁小學呀, 咪自己諗就當係啦
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人地解釋比大家聽,你就唔好起道一味死撐啦! : [/quote]
咁不如你搵下點度話要我比較兩間小學
佢只係問我入st jo, 係唔係冒險, 可唔可以睇清楚
唔好之前o既資料加落佢條問題度得唔得?

麟媽媽

大家不要誤會我將華仁與St. Jo 比較，
只是舉例之但兩間津貼直屬英中的直屬額計算方法。
如果中學部班數比小學部少，自不然競爭較大，
又舉例SSGCPS，小學升中3 班升4 班，直升機會亦大D。
所以，如果唔想再經歷去撲中學既家長，
入讀一條龍中小學便一勞永逸，
咁St. Paul's Boys 同St. Stephan's 會係好選擇，
如果孩子鬥心強、自理能力高、主動性亦高，
咁可以選St. Jo，咁孩子同父母都無咁辛苦。

cman_li

今年開始自行分配中一學位為總學額之30%

Leechi

麟媽媽,

請問高主教又如何, 直升機會有幾大?

麟媽媽

對不起，我的資料真的錯了，
cman_li 講得無錯，由2007 開始，
自行分配學額由20% 加至30%，
我的舉例計算不正確，
即是直屬額將比我所計的更少，
所以將來St. Jo 比現時既競爭更大，
不過，St. Jo 好似會減班？
減左班情況應該會好d 既。

cman_li 寫道:
今年開始自行分配中一學位為總學額之30%

麟媽媽

Leechi,

高主教小學係私小，中學係津貼，
我唔知高主教中學有幾多班，
亦唔知高主教小學有幾多班，
所以唔識計佢地既直屬額，無得比較。
如果中學係津貼，一樣計法，
扣除總學額30%自行收生及5% 留班位，
剩番既學額當中85%為預留小學之直屬額。

Leechi 寫道:
麟媽媽,

請問高主教又如何, 直升機會有幾大?

cfanny

Well,my friends's two sons are studying in St.Jo,one in F1 & one in F3. For F1 THIS YR,she said there are 5 classes,41-45 students per class,only4-5 students from other schools(non-st.Jo boys) per class,almost 180 students from St.Jo Primary.Repeater, very very few,esp. in F1,some classes even don't have repeater. So called"5% 留班位"is the max. Normally only 5 students repeat,even bottom 10 can get conditional promotion.For F1, usually less than 5 students!

St. Jo is a subsidized school.If it's the only  target of you for the central allocation,you can go ahead and apply st.Paul (DSS)and st.stephen (DSS)as well. St. Paul only has 90 seats for P1,it's not very easy to get in too.

stevema

Is it possible to find official figures from primary or secondary section?  hear say is not reliable.  

stevema

it seems to me RC have better chance to go to their secondary, the rationale behind is : for st. jo, 65% being accepted by secondary is correct if based on P.6 student no., if based on P.1 (311), it's only 56% - st. jo's drop out rate is quite high (311-270)= 41 --> nearly 13% students have left st. jo before going to P.6 (!)  

In RC, the number is on the contrary, P. 1 is 145 increasing to P. 6, 200, taking in 38% more students (!)

This is very interesting, can anyone share why this happens? Thanks.

cfanny

fannycheungmache 寫道:
but i herad said  wha yan secondary principla not like wah yan primary english standard will worry wah yan primary will cause wah yan secondary become band 2 school, so less than 50% number will be accepted from primary students, will accept more band 1 boys from other schools like st jo boys, so to keep Wah yan secondary to be remained Band 1.

So wah Yan primary few chances than st jo primary to get back to secondary.

It shouldn't be true!! most of the  st.Jo boys apply St. Jo secondary. I don't think they will choose Wah Yan Secondary  What I know is that there are some students (very few) who are very outstanding and will try to apply QC & DBS in the first round.

RC, the academic level is far behind! For DSS,seems St. Paul Boy and St. Stephen are more famous. I personally like St. stephen more.

cfanny

FUNG12345 寫道:

依家冇人話要比較st jo同華仁小學呀, 咪自己諗就當係啦

That's really true!!
It's not necessary to compare these two schools IN THIS TOPIC. Some parents even don't consider Wah Yan since it's a CMI (Chinese) primary and the drop of academic performance this yrs.

Irene_BB

高主教小學有四班﹐舊年大約有75%升直屬書院。

麟媽媽

其實做家長真係唔好聽埋亞邊邊個講咩咩咩咁。
你其實了唔了解現時既津貼直屬中學升中派位制？
唔知便去查看，不難找到現行派位制及真實數據的，
不要聽埋聽埋，認為N 咁多年前既升中情況，
會相同實行係自己個仔身上，年年都變緊架！
St. Jo 每年係無5% 留班生，但呢5% 係教局定架嘛，
間間津校都係咁計，無留班生咪留黎叩門位囉，
總之呢5% 唔會放出去派位，你仲係唔明呀？
你個仔其實派左位未架？你真係要了解多D 先得，
我眼見好多家長小六選校都仲係檬查查，
以為中學收晒，又以為自己接埋龍添呀，笑死人。

cfanny 寫道:
Well,my friends's two sons are studying in St.Jo,one in F1 & one in F3. For F1 THIS YR,she said there are 5 classes,41-45 students per class,only4-5 students from other schools(non-st.Jo boys) per class,almost 180 students from St.Jo Primary.Repeater, very very few,esp. in F1,some classes even don't have repeater. So called"5% 留班位"is the max. Normally only 5 students repeat,even bottom 10 can get conditional promotion.For F1, usually less than 5 students!

St. Jo is a subsidized school.If it's the only  target of you for the central allocation,you can go ahead and apply st.Paul (DSS)and st.stephen (DSS)as well. St. Paul only has 90 seats for P1,it's not very easy to get in too.

麟媽媽

fannycheungmache,

好耐唔見你了，你好嗎？
我唔係嚇人喎，8 班升5班，我當收晒好唔好？
咁都飛走3 班啦！加上佢地係津校，
收生到佢地話事咩？直屬額係咁計架喇，
條數係得咁多，我作出黎架？有咩好用黎嚇人呀？
除非佢地自行收生都收晒自己友，
但呢個取決唔係家長手上，要實在保保險險，
便要keep 在全級70 名之內，呢個不是什麼秘密，
你可以去問吓今年升小5同埋小6 既St. Jo 家長，
學校係唔係咁同佢地講？我同學既仔全部快升中，
佢地都係讀St. Jo，我friends d 仔一直位於50 名之內。
好似佢地D 仔，自動波，人又醒，又聰明，不知幾輕鬆，
大家先最了解自己個仔可以去到邊。

同埋華仁同St. Jo 都係Unique 既，
各有長短，各有支持者，無必要比較。
華仁年年都有人離校，唔止St. Jo 啫？！
人望高處，間間學校都一樣有咁既情況。
有人走唔代表可以沾點光，應反醒為何留不住學生罷。

麟媽媽

哈哈！使唔使踩得咁盡啊？呵呵~~
你咁講想無人同你爭嗎？
St. Jo 比我地多一本英數罷？
常識同宗教好似同我地用同一本書喎？
仲係大家都用中文添！我成日問佢地攞卷既。
英文做教學語言代表個個英文都好好？
用中文作為教學語言既英文就會好差？
之後個個便要入中文中學？好攪笑.....
你咁講只代表你的無知，好晒氣啊。

fannycheungmache 寫道:
Wah yan primary is chinese school, so English not very good, so enter into wah yan sec is difficult and percentage is low. Wah yan primary boys cannot get into other famous English sec schools also if rejected by wah yan sec. Chain reaction, wah yan primary very few numbers leave during primary 3 to 5, so all of them apply for wah yan sec, hoping can back at least into their sec which is English and only choice for them, otherwise end up into a Chinese sec school.

Does this explain to you what you asked?

stevema

fannycheungmache 寫道:
Yes you are very correct because a lot of st jo primary boys, English standard very high, so get into international English schools like SIS, GSIS, ESF at primary 3 to 5, so the percentage of st jo primary 6 getting into st jo sec is very high.

Thanks for your analysis.  If I can add something to explain the high percentage of quiting student of st. jo:-

(1) as your said, some go to international school (for better learning environment? no idea...)
(2) some have been working hard, but not likely to get into the top tier (within 70 or 100?) to go to their secondary, better change to other schools earlier, otherwise, will fall into band 2 or band 3, more difficult to allocate to EMI.
(3) parents cannot bear the screening pressure (not the student...)

Quiting school is an important decision, no one will like it, especially after P.4, there should be very critical factors (more likely to be negative) to push the parents/ students to come to such an undesirable decision.  Changing school is doing no good to kids. I guess if they have other alternatives, they will not do that.  St. Jo's case is unique, I think if you can find similiar movement (student figures) in other schools, that may be easier to explain it convincingly.

LLT

麟媽媽 寫道:
英文做教學語言代表個個英文都好好？
用中文作為教學語言既英文就會好差？

Below is a quotation from my response in another topic:

"三十多年前我就讀時就是一間很不錯的學校。上午是英文小學，下午是中文小學。校長是外籍修女。上午班隨了中文及聖經是中文外，其它所有課本，如數學、健康教育、地理、歴史(註：歴史在小六才有 – 所用課本與我中一所用相同) 等等全是英語課本•並以英語教授。我每天回家的工作都是在查字典，真是痛苦萬分。近年被家長們視為十分重要的英語母語教師對我來說並不是甚麽新奇的事物、因當年我在德信時巳有外籍老師長駐教學。"

So, I believe I am in a better position to answer your two questions

Q1) 英文做教學語言代表個個英文都好好?
A1) No.

Q2 用中文作為教學語言既英文就會好差?
A2) No idea.