保良局蔡繼有學校

kunggi201

各位家長，早在數月前我已從一位同屋宛的3E家長得悉
一位教員在教授數學課時經常出錯
我亦剛打了電話給她再查證，據了解
該班的家長們的確寫過一封聯署信給校長
主要針對該位教員的教學能力
該班家長們之間在早前已達成共識
希望由校方自行處理有關問題
但由於校方所提出的改善措施未見成效
家長們現正研究進一步行動

father_ho

Dear parent,

Voc42 may amplified the situation(I guess). As you  know my kids are studying in the school and I would like to share some experience with the existing and potential CKY parent. For my elder kid who studying P4, up to now my opinion towards the teacher is
Y1 Chinese teacher OK, English teacher OK,
Y2 Chinese teacher so,so, English teacher excellent,
Y3 Chinese teacher OK, English teacher   ,
Y4 Chinese teacher OK, English teacher OK,
For my younger kid,
Y1 Chinese teacher OK, English teacher OK.
In all, may not be the perfect one but at least up to my expectation (frankly speaking I still can't find a school all the student will not need to take local examin and with enough Chinese element and with reasonable school fee). I think the principal may not ignore feedback (if any) from parent but the respond always slow in educational field. I once send an email to the adminstration but they replied me months afterwards.
It's true that IS like education mode is difficult to manage both from parent and school point. For school, they need time to observe staff performance and not easy to lay off the contract bounded staff(only try to rectify the situation). For parent, we can just closely observe our kid and make necessary supplement when due with different situation.

year

kunggi201 寫道:
各位家長，早在數月前我已從一位同屋宛的3E家長得悉
一位教員在教授數學課時經常出錯
我亦剛打了電話給她再查證，據了解
該班的家長們的確寫過一封聯署信給校長
主要針對該位教員的教學能力
該班家長們之間在早前已達成共識
希望由校方自行處理有關問題
但由於校方所提出的改善措施未見成效
家長們現正研究進一步行動

3E班的情況我亦略有所聞，無容置疑，CKY的教師質素一直是令我最困擾的項目，就這幾年所見，參差度確實令人乍舌。最可悲的是，從過往問題教師事例的經驗得知，除非教師願意主動辭職，否則就算家長有進一步、進二步行動，亦難指望校方會施行任何大動作或有成效的改善措施。

在此，只能祝3E班家長好運!

tlwtlw888

voc42 寫道:
The Class teacher teaches English, Maths and Science, but she is not good in either subject at all.  

CKY 是否普遍都由同一位老師任教幾科不同科目？就算不是專科專教，若由同一位老師任教 English, Maths and Science，那總有一科是她的本科吧！為何會 not good in either subject at all？聽來確有點荒誕。

year

tlwtlw888 寫道:  

CKY 是否普遍都由同一位老師任教幾科不同科目？就算不是專科專教，若由同一位老師任教 English, Maths and Science，那總有一科是她的本科吧！為何會 not good in either subject at all？聽來確有點荒誕。[/quote]


無錯，Year 1-5 普遍都由同一位英文老師任教幾科不同科目，如English, Maths and Science (甚至Computer, Art and Music)

有所不知，電影「逃學威龍」中的教師掟粉擦情節也曾上演過，加上熟知校方的處事態度，故我相信再荒誕的事情也會在CKY發生!

HeiMother

很欣賞你的態度, 坦白承認學校亦有不足之處,
試想做父母的, 總想孩子在最好的學校學習, 但若有人
舉出不好之處, 有些家長在未經証實下, 總會群起反駁.

做家長的應坦然面對及

kunggi201

個人觀點：

CKY是活動教學，而且比一般活動教學的學校更加活動教學，孩子們可以在課堂上走動跳躍，故此，要管得住一班「馬騮」，就真係要視乎老師的能力了，這方面是與教員的學術能力無關。故此，即使老師是Native English，但若他�她沒有能力控制好課堂秩序，即使是「本科」，也會出現問題。

幾個月前我已提及到，教員質數參差。其實，任何學校都有此情況，你可以回想自己小時上學，或看看其他學校有關留言，一間學校總會良莠不齊；以此引申至商業機構（你的公司和我的公司），亦會有些有能力的員工，也有濫竽充數的員工。大家都是出來工作的，該了解到，一間成功的機構，員工質素固然重要，但更重要的是如何去管理，如果管理不善，就算全公司都係專業人仕，也不會有所作為；另一方面，也有不小中小企業，沒有專才卻能成功。

以我所知（註：是聽聞，未必是真），校內行政，事無大小均需由校長過目和決定。Micro-management是好事，但能做到成功的，領導必須要有很強的個人魄力（董建華就沒有了，所知各大企業和政府部門，只有很少數人有此能力），這可能就是father_ho所說： “I think the principal may not ignore feedback (if any) from parent but the respond always slow in educational field. I once send an email to the administration but they replied me months afterwards.”

Year所說，教師掟粉擦一事，我也有聽聞。 CKY是一間「不一樣的活動教學」學校，學生可以在課室又叫又跳，掟粉擦？濕濕碎啦！有時仲會聽到一些幾「騎哩」的事，又或者知道孩子在學校受到一些「特別優待」（例如之前提及過「睇電視食飯」），都唔知好嬲定好笑。

lamsuetwai

各cky parents,

小兒在is 讀, 亦是同一位老師教全部科目的, 除了中文外, 當然有好有不足. 我起初都有不喜歡, 但這都有不少好處.  小兒因上年考不到cky, 故我都打算暑假可再考.

而你們所提出老師的問題, 正令我很擔心, 因老師是學校最最最重要的.  都聽聞cky的行政有問題, temp 校舍的不足, 都是不次考慮因素, 但老師直接影響小朋友的學習, 真想問清楚你們說學校是不會有進一步行動, 為什麼呢?

因合約問題, 不可炒佢?
但如老師表演不足, 會直接影響學校在家長的印象, 甘cky不理嗎? 還是佢已有名稱, 每年都不擔心收生, 而不注重呢?

15分

公司炒人都要小心啦,何況學校呢.要考慮人手問題.沒可能即時有個Spare.

lamsuetwai

另一方面, father_ho,

謝謝你之前關於英文story-book教學的website, 令我略知一二.  但我想問除了story-book教學, 英文還有沒有教phonics, grammer, writing 呢

是不是雙班主任呢, 中及英,  有沒有abc (只懂說英文的中國人, 還是全nat. teacher),

中文程度是否如local school呢? 已造句, 重組句嗎?

數學是用英文教, 甘是外國的小學課程, 還是用香港出版社的課程呢?

lamsuetwai

15分 寫道:
公司炒人都要小心啦,何況學校呢.要考慮人手問題.沒可能即時有個Spare.

是就是,但如比了貴學費, 但一般的質素, 政府小學都要處理, 何況是私小.

father_ho

Dear lamsuetwai,

Sorry that I don't know how to type Chinese, I will try my best to answer your questions as far as I know.
Beside story book teaching, I didn't observe they formally teach phonics but there are worksheets concerning this. Grammer, proposition etc., they teach the meaning rather than just memorizing as reflected from the worksheets. Writing, they start to emphasis on Y4 onwards and frankly speaking are depends on how your kids ability. It is not to say they need not write before Y4 but the sentence structure and presentation are not the main concern in Y1 to Y3. During these three year, they are required to read, read and read to capture vocab. and adj. as much as they can and I totally agree with that since I once study a course and told within the ages, their ability is excellent in capturing unrelated words.
For Class teachers, one in Chinese(PTH) and one in English(may be ABC or NET).
For Chinese, the standard is in line with local school(I observed).
For Math, they did use Longman textbook, workbook and the depth seems also in line with main stream but in english(Can't remember is it Longman Hong Kong or elsewhere) . To me the books seem more creative in presentation than the local texbook(ie. not much in mechanical cal. but rather the meaning of Math.). So don't comparing the speed of their cal. with the local student, you will upset.
Just discussed some related issue with my friend and they ask why it is so improtant all the student should not take local exam. To me, taking local exam will kill the kids interest since they need to get back to the traditional mode in comparing speed, reflects action and all the concentration is towards the scoring mark. If part of the student take local and part of it take IBD, it will create labelling effect. It doesn't mean we need to protect them as greenhouse plant, the pressure will naturally come from themself as peer group did comparing how much knowledge they did learn, just without the label and they will not hate learning as they will see themselve as loser if their score is below others. I alway discuss with my kids and expressed they are just comparing their yesterday, that is the most important issue.

papa_pop

Hi Lamsuetwai,

As you have kindly pointed out, it's rather common in primary school (particularly IS perhaps - for you know better than I do) for a teacher to take on more than one subject for his/her class.

I tend to share "15" and Kungi's views on the management of human resources. It's not really a 'hire and fire' culture seeded in most of HK organisations, not to mention the school sector.

I do share your concern about the quality of teachers. We are also holding much hope that the Principal would look into the matters - and take remedial action in due course. Far as I know, the Principal does listen - but it might take some time for a response. Fair to say, some 'unsuitable' teachers have left.

As a Y1 parent, I would attempt to answer some of your questions:
- There are two class-teachers: one being NET.
- There are ABCs and CBCs, and sure they are native-level. (I see no difference from EMB's criteria of being employed as a NET)
- Apart from Chinese and Moral Ed, all subjects are taught in English. Maths is no exception - as to the standard, I think it's comparable to that in western countries.
- For Chinese, the teaching materials are on a par with the average in HK.  Mind you that it's the 'exercises' used in local schools that could make a big difference. Sorry to say that 'this' is not what we are after. For Y1, as long as the kid can 'read' simple Chinese books and maintain a learning interest in the language, it looks fine by me.

By the way, what would you expect of a Y1 kid in Chinese standard?

Sure there are some kids who are really bright in one subject or two, and some others will try to catch them up - if they are eager to do so. That is, it's not the teaching materials that make a difference, it's more a matter of the learning environment.

year

感激HeiMother的認同!

我同意kunggi201的觀點，每人自身也有不足之處，更何況一個機構，我的出發點正如HeiMother所說「坦然面對及

kyliema2006

Dear lamsuetwai,

關於師資方面，蔡繼有是新學校，每年都要多聘教師以應需付需要，尤其是對NET的需求就更為殷切，可能他們多不太熟悉香港的工作環境，又不明暸學生及教長的需要，就容易出問題。上次開家長會時，學校坦然承認會將較有經驗的老師任教一年級，以協助學生適應小學生活。所以作為一年級家長的我，並没有察覺到師資的問題，相對地高年級就比較多新教師了，可能就是問題所在。

curry123

Hi,
    其實，學校要辭退老師，實在是很困難的事。除非老師嚴重失職，傷害學生身體，否則學校不可能因老師能力問題而炒她。有問題的老師，校長會觀課，或發警告信，到學期尾才不和她續約。這並不代表校長姑息老師，而這是合約所定，就算非炒不可，也有緩衝期。新老師力有不逮，在每間學校也存在。有些名校，學生秩序極差，老師半個學期不到便走了。有些老師，even 有經驗，一樣教學馬虎，連改簿也草草了事，在一般官津小學，實在有很多這些人。我明白
3E班家長的憂慮，但這並非只在CKY才出現。繼續向校方反映，校長對老師的投訴，並不會置之不理 。校長可能已經…

kkpapa

對於蔡繼有學校，有点沉溺的喜愛吧！教學的概念，校園的氛圍，資源的充足，家長的投入，都是小時候難以得到的。在這五年的期間，面對小部份

TTMummy

Thanks, Voasia,

Totally agree with you. It is a very good advice for us parents who will put our child in CKY later on this year.

TTTmummy