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發表於 07-6-7 11:23 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Dear agneslth,

Personally, I am in favor of ESF education. But I am interested in learning more about the lesson observation report done 2 years ago and the news about its quality. Can I ask you something about the piece of news (Mingpao) posted 2 years ago? (除其中3所小學水平良好外,其餘7所小學平均兩成課堂教學水 平欠佳(unsatisfactory)) Then, which three schools were found to be doing well based on that news report?

Thanks for sharing with me the old news report.

Minggrace

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發表於 07-6-7 13:06 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?


嘩,乜你咁大反應?
下?我 sour grapes ? of what?
你到底知唔知 sour grapes 點解?

我就覺得係有人 sour grapes of esf 。
其實邊個鍥而不捨咁去 "關心" esf ,明眼人都見。

無可否認,esf 係太多人想入,但係學位亦真係有限,
因為孩子入唔到而有怨恨的人,一定有好多。
我勸家長都係睇開 d 啦,cais 都唔錯,成日個心唔憤氣,只會令自己唔開心。

比你講嬴又點?
比你證明 esf 比 cais 差又點?
講真,自己孩子叻唔叻,都係靠佢自己,
成日轉牛角尖,開心咩?





Cayenne 寫道:
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nintendo 寫道:
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agneslth 寫道:


That is why I have a little doubt about the quality of ESF schools.



有 doubt 就唔好讀囉;你估你話想去讀就實收你?
尤其係讀開 local school,好多英文都唔夠班,想插班都唔係咁易。
話時話,你都幾關心 ESF,亦幾鍥而不捨。

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If you are an ESF parent /student, which I doubt, then you just confirmed  her doubts.
If you are not an ESF parent / student, then what's the point  of your bitching ?  A case of sour grapes perhaps ?[/quote]

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發表於 07-6-7 13:28 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Dear agneslth,

I don't read your message in a negative way.

when governement did the report two years ago, they might meant something else.
:-?

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發表於 07-6-7 13:37 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

我不覺得Nintendo是酸葡萄.  我相信佢係果


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發表於 07-6-7 14:08 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

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發表於 07-6-7 17:01 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

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發表於 07-6-7 17:03 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

成日話多人中意 ESF,其實你地有冇真係諗過 ESF 有幾好呢?我都唔明點解咁多人,好似死都要入 ESF,開親 D TOPIC 就係問,小朋友在 waiting list 可以點算。情形就同本地學校,個個要爭入男拔女拔一樣,盲目去跟風。香港咁多國際學校,點解一定要讀 ESF?佢地當然多人 apply 啦,考 GSIS 又要搭間 ESF,考 CIS 又要搭間 ESF,總之係每個考國際學校的,差唔多都會 apply 埋 ESF,根本係見人考,自己又考,其實點解要一鍋蜂去爭位呢?好似佢地馬鞍山間新學校,今年就話有 waiting list ,就係你地班無知家長,抬到佢地咁高,先至好似好巴閉。我識好多讀各間國際學校的小朋友,除了中文程度可能間間有 D 唔同,其實課程都真係大同小異,我唔覺得有邊間特別差。客觀 D 諗,間間國際學校都有學生入到好大學,咁人地學校又有幾差?如果入唔到好大學,都係個別學生問題啦。如果你小朋友係叻,係掂,駛乜擔心,總之,做家長的,盡量 follow-up 小朋友的學習進度,就得啦。成日話 ESF 公開試點好,考到好大學,佢地咁多學生,多人考得好有幾奇?考唔到好大學的又唔見講下?你地識唔識薛海琪?佢話自己係 ESF 中學畢業,但係 D 英文差到離普。家長要醒 D,唔好比人神化晒 ESF。

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發表於 07-6-7 17:20 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

我見你地兩邊成日鬥,真係兩邊都幫唔落,因為兩邊都無聊極。我地點解要比小朋友讀國際學校?就係唔想搞咁多野,讀書就讀書,總之自己小朋友讀得開心就好。但係而家,這邊情形同本地小學真係越黎越冇分別,個個就將 ESF 神化晒,然後 ESF 家長,就同非 ESF 家長,永遠係你窒我,我窒你,情形就真係同本地學校,個個要爭入男拔女拔一樣,兩邊就係不停的互數。為乜呢?你地自己退後一步諗下,自己的行為係唔係做得好肉酸呢?當初大家就係唔認同本地學校的惡性競爭,先會選擇國際學校,但係,時間下來,完來這邊都係一樣,咁就真係盞搞。

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發表於 07-6-7 17:39 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Cherry2007,
話時話IS學校+好似死都要入 ESF,都幾好笑
不過我的鄰居的小朋友大多數讀ESF 所以其他IS資料大清楚.
我本人覺得國際學校都是近十年廿年受歡迎的新產品.
Cherry2007 寫道:
成日話多人中意 ESF,其實你地有冇真係諗過 ESF 有幾好呢?我都唔明點解咁多人,好似死都要入 ESF,開親 D TOPIC 就係問,小朋友在 waiting list 可以點算。情形就同本地學校,個個要爭入男拔女拔一樣,盲目去跟風。香港咁多國際學校,點解一定要讀 ESF?佢地當然多人 apply 啦,考 GSIS 又要搭間 ESF,考 CIS 又要搭間 ESF,總之係每個考國際學校的,差唔多都會 apply 埋 ESF,根本係見人考,自己又考,其實點解要一鍋蜂去爭位呢?好似佢地馬鞍山間新學校,今年就話有 waiting list ,就係你地班無知家長,抬到佢地咁高,先至好似好巴閉。我識好多讀各間國際學校的小朋友,除了中文程度可能間間有 D 唔同,其實課程都真係大同小異,我唔覺得有邊間特別差。客觀 D 諗,間間國際學校都有學生入到好大學,咁人地學校又有幾差?如果入唔到好大學,都係個別學生問題啦。如果你小朋友係叻,係掂,駛乜擔心,總之,做家長的,盡量 follow-up 小朋友的學習進度,就得啦。成日話 ESF 公開試點好,考到好大學,佢地咁多學生,多人考得好有幾奇?考唔到好大學的又唔見講下?你地識唔識薛海琪?佢話自己係 ESF 中學畢業,但係 D 英文差到離普。家長要醒 D,唔好比人神化晒 ESF。
When the rain is over, the sky clears up take one's course 順其發展;聽其自然

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發表於 07-6-7 18:11 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

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發表於 07-6-7 18:12 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

國際學校有幾十年,唔係新產品。ESF 受歡迎,印象中冇廿年咁耐,最多係約十年。我表弟當年,係小一入唔到喇沙,正當佢媽媽煩惱之時,有朋友話 BHS 重收學生,佢就去考插班 P2,當年跟本唔難,你去考就差唔多一定收,我表弟而家讀緊大學,當時佢入 BHS 英文都唔係好識講。我想講多少少國際學校的風氣,以往的國際學校,讀的住要係外國人,或一些洋化一些的家庭的孩子。而家普遍人都肯花錢落小朋友身上,好多從冇接捉過外國教育模式的家長,都一鍋蜂的為小朋友報國際學校。這類家長,都唔係真係太接受小朋友冇課本,冇功課。冇課本,冇功課,比佢地覺得學校教得唔夠,既然唔夠,就去補習啦。你話補中文,我覺得 OK,但係你地知唔知,而家好多出去英文又補,數又補呢?情形係好多間國際學校都有發生,重要係小一開始就係咁,總之就係,學校冇功課嗎?好! 去補習 ! 一於谷到盡。我真係覺得越來越似讀本地學校,其實為乜呢?大家真係要反思下,唔好一邊怨本地學校教育太大壓力,另一邊又將本地學校文化帶入國際學校。

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發表於 07-6-7 18:16 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

KaKaYa,

You mean you 好似死都要入 ESF??

When you ask others to compare those different IS, everyone tells you that they are more or less the same, so why are you so keen to apply RC?

Now the very "smart" Cherry tell people that even RC has long waiting list!  So to be smart, better try some other schools which have no queues la.

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發表於 07-6-7 20:11 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

這裡並沒有 "兩邊成日鬥" 的情況.  以我所知, nintendo並非ESF家長, WYmom也經常描述自己對她自己的子女所讀的學校的感受.  如果她覺得間學校唔好, 早就幫子女轉校喇.  反而如果有人並非ESF現時的家長 or ex-家長, 佢憑什麼理據去不停評擊ESF?  莫非全靠睇報紙就知道哂?  各位也可參考耀中現時的家長 or ex-家長對該校的看法.

Saturn.

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發表於 07-6-8 11:40 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Cherry2007,
我知國際學校有很多年,不過RC.kingston, AISHK, ISF, BHS...ect.是近期新的學校,國際學校好像愈開愈多,不知那一間比較適合?
如果講起ESF根本不只廿年,應從英軍時代講起......,前身是給英童讀的,後來英軍開始走,本地的小朋友�在外國回流�外國小朋友在香港住都可以申請就讀,很久歷史 所以出了很多叻人
Cherry2007 寫道:
國際學校有幾十年,唔係新產品。ESF 受歡迎,印象中冇廿年咁耐,最多係約十年。我表弟當年,係小一入唔到喇沙,正當佢媽媽煩惱之時,有朋友話 BHS 重收學生,佢就去考插班 P2,當年跟本唔難,你去考就差唔多一定收,我表弟而家讀緊大學,當時佢入 BHS 英文都唔係好識講。我想講多少少國際學校的風氣,以往的國際學校,讀的住要係外國人,或一些洋化一些的家庭的孩子。而家普遍人都肯花錢落小朋友身上,好多從冇接捉過外國教育模式的家長,都一鍋蜂的為小朋友報國際學校。這類家長,都唔係真係太接受小朋友冇課本,冇功課。冇課本,冇功課,比佢地覺得學校教得唔夠,既然唔夠,就去補習啦。你話補中文,我覺得 OK,但係你地知唔知,而家好多出去英文又補,數又補呢?情形係好多間國際學校都有發生,重要係小一開始就係咁,總之就係,學校冇功課嗎?好! 去補習 ! 一於谷到盡。我真係覺得越來越似讀本地學校,其實為乜呢?大家真係要反思下,唔好一邊怨本地學校教育太大壓力,另一邊又將本地學校文化帶入國際學校。
When the rain is over, the sky clears up take one's course 順其發展;聽其自然

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發表於 07-6-8 11:48 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

WYmom,
不是好似死都要入 ESF?? 而是我比較比方便,校車到我樓下
WYmom 寫道:
KaKaYa,

You mean you 好似死都要入 ESF??

When you ask others to compare those different IS, everyone tells you that they are more or less the same, so why are you so keen to apply RC?

Now the very "smart" Cherry tell people that even RC has long waiting list!  So to be smart, better try some other schools which have no queues la.
When the rain is over, the sky clears up take one's course 順其發展;聽其自然

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發表於 07-6-8 12:01 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

AISHK ,BHS 點會係新學校?KINGSTON 都唔算新啦,而 ISF 就根本唔係國際學校。我唔覺得國際學校特別開得多喎,近期都係得一間 RC ( 出年多一間 ESF 的 DBPIS ),本地直資學校都開了好多新的,只可以話係家長都寧願比錢,都唔選擇免費的教育。如果做多 d 資料搜集,唔會唔知邊間適合,反正好似我之前講,間間都係差唔多。你小朋友唔係今年入 p1 嗎?我見你好 desperate 想入 RC,唔係諗清諗楚嗎?而家先考慮邊間適合,會唔會係遲了點?你可以話我講得直接,而家情形真係唔到你揀,國際學校好多都係 8 月開學,好多學校都收晒學生,係申請,就行動要快喇,重諗咁多?話時話,你中意 RC 只因為有校車?而家 D 校車度度都去,唔駛要就校車卦?
ESF 當然歷史悠久,請睇清楚我講的,係話 "受歡迎" 只係十年八載的事,十幾年前,根本唔係咁多本地人爭。ESF 亦唔係只比英童入讀的,我細個住 BHS 附近,我好多朋友當年都係讀 BHS,都係土生土長華人。

KaKaYa 寫道:
Cherry2007,
我知國際學校有很多年,不過RC.kingston, AISHK, ISF, BHS...ect.是近期新的學校,國際學校好像愈開愈多,不知那一間比較適合?
如果講起ESF根本不只廿年,應從英軍時代講起......,前身是給英童讀的,後來英軍開始走,本地的小朋友�在外國回流�外國小朋友在香港住都可以申請就讀,很久歷史 所以出了很多叻人 [quote]
Cherry2007 寫道:
國際學校有幾十年,唔係新產品。ESF 受歡迎,印象中冇廿年咁耐,最多係約十年。我表弟當年,係小一入唔到喇沙,正當佢媽媽煩惱之時,有朋友話 BHS 重收學生,佢就去考插班 P2,當年跟本唔難,你去考就差唔多一定收,我表弟而家讀緊大學,當時佢入 BHS 英文都唔係好識講。我想講多少少國際學校的風氣,以往的國際學校,讀的住要係外國人,或一些洋化一些的家庭的孩子。而家普遍人都肯花錢落小朋友身上,好多從冇接捉過外國教育模式的家長,都一鍋蜂的為小朋友報國際學校。這類家長,都唔係真係太接受小朋友冇課本,冇功課。冇課本,冇功課,比佢地覺得學校教得唔夠,既然唔夠,就去補習啦。你話補中文,我覺得 OK,但係你地知唔知,而家好多出去英文又補,數又補呢?情形係好多間國際學校都有發生,重要係小一開始就係咁,總之就係,學校冇功課嗎?好! 去補習 ! 一於谷到盡。我真係覺得越來越似讀本地學校,其實為乜呢?大家真係要反思下,唔好一邊怨本地學校教育太大壓力,另一邊又將本地學校文化帶入國際學校。
[/quote]

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發表於 07-6-9 08:06 |只看該作者

Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Dear Cherry2007:

雖然我加入了這個BK只有數月,但我從不覺得這裡存在著 「兩邊成日鬥」(指ESF和非ESF家長) 的情況。相反,我覺得絕大部家長都沒分背景 (如妳有細看這個thread的每則留言或有關選校主題的其他討論),無論是來自哪一所國際學校以至本地學校的家長,都是以理性和互相尊重的態度坦誠溝通。

我也覺得絕大部份家長也沒有盲目追捧ESF。ESF這辦學團體歷史悠久又具規模,也有有不錯的往績,更別忘了其中一個重要因素:ESF有政府資助,所以學費較平,自然多人報讀。就我自己為例,基於宗教理由,我從沒替兒子申請過ESF的學校,像我這樣的家長,身邊認識的也為數不少。這裡絕大部份的ESF家長 (如WYmom 和 inho),也從沒作出貶低其他國際學校的言論,相反,他們對有關的討論,都是十分持平的,對ESF的態度也沒自吹自擂,而是熱心和耐心的分享。

我相信妳的留言本是出於好意 (想當頭棒喝?如有曲解,不妨指正) 但若沒認真細閱所有留言,只就一小撮家長的言論便對所有國際學校的家長作出不合理的批評,實屬以偏概全,也有欠公允。


Cherry2007 寫道:
我見你地兩邊成日鬥,真係兩邊都幫唔落,因為兩邊都無聊極。我地點解要比小朋友讀國際學校?就係唔想搞咁多野,讀書就讀書,總之自己小朋友讀得開心就好。但係而家,這邊情形同本地小學真係越黎越冇分別,個個就將 ESF 神化晒,然後 ESF 家長,就同非 ESF 家長,永遠係你窒我,我窒你,情形就真係同本地學校,個個要爭入男拔女拔一樣,兩邊就係不停的互數。為乜呢?你地自己退後一步諗下,自己的行為係唔係做得好肉酸呢?當初大家就係唔認同本地學校的惡性競爭,先會選擇國際學校,但係,時間下來,完來這邊都係一樣,咁就真係盞搞。


minggrace、cs1980:

Dear agneslth,

Personally, I am in favor of ESF education. But I am interested in learning more about the lesson observation report done 2 years ago and the news about its quality. Can I ask you something about the piece of news (Mingpao) posted 2 years ago? (除其中3所小學水平良好外,其餘7所小學平均兩成課堂教學水 平欠佳(unsatisfactory)) Then, which three schools were found to be doing well based on that news report?

Thanks for sharing with me the old news report.


對於這則新聞,其實我的了解也很有限 (否則就不會存疑,也不會拿出來討論)。由於我很認同WY mom 所作出的有關回應,基於信任與尊重的立場,我也不想再就此事作出討論,請諒。

就此則舊新聞所引起任何ESF家長的不快,我願再次致歉。
我們愛 因為 神先愛我們

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Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

agneslth / WY mom,
基於信任與尊重的立場,很支持.
When the rain is over, the sky clears up take one's course 順其發展;聽其自然

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Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

Dear inho,

Do you have children in IS or ESF schools?

Thanks to CWBS and the teachers. They work very hard and put great efforts to teach our children.
Teachers would tell us what topics and contents they will teach in the coming week. We would try to help our children at home. For example, do the reading diary and spelling together with the children.

Besides, the school has run several seminars and workshops for parents. And, it has open day for parents every year. Parents can go to any classrooms to visit their lessons. What I can see is that the teaching skills are good and all children particiate. Besides, good discipline can be found in all classrooms (except in P.1, a bit noise may found, anyway, they are only 5.). All children know to raise the hand first before speaking.


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Re: Any Reservations on International Schools?

I am a ESF parent and I had read the whole report. The news only highlight the bad points. It is not fair to the schools.


Dear agneslth,

Personally, I am in favor of ESF education. But I am interested in learning more about the lesson observation report done 2 years ago and the news about its quality. Can I ask you something about the piece of news (Mingpao) posted 2 years ago? (除其中3所小學水平良好外,其餘7所小學平均兩成課堂教學水 平欠佳(unsatisfactory)) Then, which three schools were found to be doing well based on that news report?

Thanks for sharing with me the old news report.
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