Comment on 耀中國際學校(九龍塘)

spoonlam

Hi all,
Is YC really that bad in terms of education level and management? Is it the same for Pre nursary and kindergarten? Reason I"m asking is my son will be going to YC for N1 in this coming sept.  Should I considier other kindergartens?
Many thx.

KaKaYa

我感覺到你不是ＹＣ　ＳＴＡＦＦ，所以和你一致說法，ＴＨＸ！尢其荷Ｘ出版資料的，直情流稿．．．希望大家小心選取

Tasha 寫道:
我是YC家長,不是YC staff.我只是把我所聽所聞所遇,加上自己的感受說出來.

現在多了很多新辦的學校給家長選擇,希望你們小心選取,多作比較,多打聽第一手資料,不要只相信廣告或其他表面的假象.學費多少並不一定和質素掛鈎,好的品牌若管理不善也會變成雜嘜.孩子接受教育是一件很重要的事情,萬不可掉以輕心.損失金錢事小,浪費了寶貴的光陰事大!

幸好我不是YC staff,不然知得更多,恐怕爆血管!

YC-MOM

Tasha 寫道:
最近獲知新校舍原來包括社區學院 (Community College)

有少少資料我想更正下。
其實好多家長都問過 community college 的事，學校亦都向家長交代過 ( 係新中學校舍動工前的家長會交代過 )，話計劃早已在中學新校舍動工前擱置 ( 我唔記得有冇講原因 )，現有校址一直都話只係中學部用。

這是他們與政府的共識，當時的說法，的確係話唔會再搞 community college。
我覺得可信。
話開辦 community college 的 poster 早已拿走，
我信佢地短期內唔會再諗，或者，應該未來三五年都唔會搞喇，如果真係有 plan，應該早向外宣傳。

YC-MOM

咪咪媽 寫道:
而學校找來的二位代課老師其中一位竟然是只在老人中心和新移民中文教人識字的義工教師.

不正確，她是 "曾在老人中心教中文"。
我都係耀中家長，都有很多不滿。
不過，我覺得唔可以因此而將資料說得不清不楚。

YC-MOM

KaKaYa 寫道:
Tasha/?/?
這裹很多有些ＹＣ常有ＹＣ　ＳＴＡＦＦ經常代我們家長講說話的，其實大家都知道誰心中有數
有時間講多些！

其實，網上的 message，邊個講的是真話，邊個講的是假話，真係好難知，甚至有 d 人講大半真話，再加鹽加醋加 D 假話也有。

你話有人係 YC STAFF，咁你覺得有邊個職位的人咁得閒，上黎幫 YC 講好話？

又或者可以咁講啦，如果你真係 YC 家長，你應該認識好多 YC 的捧場客。當然好多家長都好不滿，但事實係，的確亦有好多真係覺得學校好好，好滿意的家長。
起碼，我就識好係咁。
咁佢地班 YC 擁護者，上黎 POST MESSAGE 都有可能喎。
點解下下話一定係學校 STAFF 呢？

掉轉頭，我都覺得你好得閒囉，口口聲聲話轉了校，都上黎唱。這些粗重功夫，都係留番比我地 D 真家長啦。

PS。我係真 YC 家長，唔信，可以睇我 D 舊 POST。
我覺得鬧還鬧，鬧都要鬧得有理。
同你一齊鬧，就信人地係家長，
唔同你一齊鬧，就話人地係學校 STAFF。

話時話，唔通唔係家長就唔讚得？
咁你唔係家長 ( 你話已轉校，即係唔係家長啦 ) ，就鬧得？

YC-MOM

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Tasha 寫道:
為何不趁机會把中小學融合一齊, 令小學部的學生得益,反而要勉

YC-MOM

foolish.mom 寫道:
YC invests a lot on equipment.  They have enough powerful PCs for students to complete their assignments on computers at school. Many local school parents complain doing projects for their kids.  But my son can already search much information from internet at school, or even finish the whole project.  Last year, they start to purchase a lot of "smartboard" (computer-linked whiteboards) in classrooms which cost much.

唔好玩啦。
我地 d 學費貴 local school 幾多呀？
其實你係唔係無間道，真身係個耀中家長？
你咁讓講，真係實比人丙。

m.(x3)

Hi all, I am new to this web site, and I have two kids in Yew Chung - Y6 & Y3. They have been in Yew Chung since 2-year old and 3-year old respectively.

We are generally very happy with the Kindergarten and Primary school. Higherly recommended.

However I am not sending my kids to YC Secondary School. If there are interest, perhaps I can spend some time to write more about my experience.

gst725

Hi m.(x3),

Are your kids speaking good English as natives. I rang the YC Primary Admissions Office last week. A lady told me that 95% there are local students in the Primary section and most of the students speak English only when talking to their English teachers. Is it true? Are your kids having academical pressure so as the traditional schools or you think they are learning happily? How are their academic achievement in YC compare to Band 1 local schools? We are now applying P1 for our daughter to start in this September. Still picking a school that can constitute her self confidence as well to provide a happy learning atmosphere with good academic achievement. Thanks very much for your further comments.

m.(x3) 寫道:
Hi all, I am new to this web site, and I have two kids in Yew Chung - Y6 & Y3. They have been in Yew Chung since 2-year old and 3-year old respectively.

We are generally very happy with the Kindergarten and Primary school. Higherly recommended.

However I am not sending my kids to YC Secondary School. If there are interest, perhaps I can spend some time to write more about my experience.

m.(x3)

Lots of questions here...

1. My kids speak English as their first language. So they were able to interact with the teachers really well. They definitely have fun there, and love to go to school.

2. It's very hard to simply say the general English standard is good or bad. In my opinion, you can measure the students' use of English as a learning tool (able to read, wirte, talk, and understand the subject of interest), and the use of English as a living language (for socialize, making jokes, understand unfamiliar subject, understand the subtlty of the language in social context.)

3. I think the Yew Chung kids generally have no problem using English in learning and in class related subjects. They can comminicate with the teachers well. And if you believe the examples I am going to provide below are representative, then Yew Chung kids' English is way above average in the upper primary.

4. I do think most kids had problem using English as a living language, simply because of their home environment do not provide for that. I feel that my kids' social circles are somewhat limited, because not many of their friends can fully appreciate the little jokes and small talks in English. If you have studied overseas, you may understand my point here better - many Chinese studying in overseas universities can write good essay for homework purpose, but having big problem socialize with the natives.

5. I never really tried to compare Yew Chung with Band-1 schools. If I cared, I would have sent my kids to Band-1 school from Day 1. But having say that.... I do think my kids have a great learning experience, and learning no less than kids in Band-1 local school. Few examples follow.

6. Yew Chung has been sending their upper primary kids to a competition in the last 3 years (or more.) Last year, there were 70,000 kids of 3 age groups in Hong Kong and the mainland participated in the compitition in 3 subjects. Yew Chung kids scored substantially higher than average. The school was quite proud of this that they are still posting the result at the entrance to the basement office at Upper Primary. My 10-year old scored very high (top 0.2% in English among the 70000 kids, top 0.5% in science, top 5% in math) and was invited to an award presentation. There were about 400 kids (including kids from Beijing and other mainland cities) in the award presentation, and I believe the only school that has more kids than Yew Chung made it to the top-400 was DGS. I saw a few names from KG5 and other ESF schools. Yew Chung has about 10 kids in the top-400. Yew Chung did not prepare the kids for the competition before hand. Last year they told the parents about the competition and told the parents not to do anything special. This year, they did not even bother to tell the parents about the competition. I learned from my kid that she took the tests few days ago. So this is a true test of what the kids know, not how well they prepared.

7. One of my friend has his 10-year old son in a very presitigous "old brand" school. Out of fun I asked a copy of his son's math test paper. My kid has no problem completing the test within the time limit. So at least in my kid's case, she is not behind local band-1 in math.

8. There is a competition among international schools in Hong Kong called Battle of the Books (BOB.) Last year was Yew Chung's first year joining the competition, and they did really well. They lost in the first round to the school that has been the grand champion for the last 5 years. Yew Chung lost by 2 points 82 to 84, and each complete answer was worth 3 points. That means the margin was less than 1 question. I imagine if the order of the questions change a bit, Yew Chung may have won. But for me, the highlight of this competition was not the narrow defeat to the former grand champion. During the competition, two questions were disqualified after being challenged. One challenge was raised by the teacher from another school, and the other challenge was raised by a Yew Chung kid. I was very happy that the kid was very confident and not afraid to challenge the authority.

Last but not the least, the school your kid goes is an important but far from the most critical factor in your kid's education. The most critical factor is the parents. So don't expect the school to do everything for you.

gst725 寫道:
Hi m.(x3),

Are your kids speaking good English as natives. I rang the YC Primary Admissions Office last week. A lady told me that 95% there are local students in the Primary section and most of the students speak English only when talking to their English teachers. Is it true? Are your kids having academical pressure so as the traditional schools or you think they are learning happily? How are their academic achievement in YC compare to Band 1 local schools? We are now applying P1 for our daughter to start in this September. Still picking a school that can constitute her self confidence as well to provide a happy learning atmosphere with good academic achievement. Thanks very much for your further comments.

咪咪媽

Hi! Accounding to your commond, you are feeling so good in Yew Chung. Why you are not going to let your chirld studying in Yew Chung secondary? Can you tell me the reason? Thanks!

Tasha

這個不是competition,是一個由University of New South Wales辦的assessment.用來評核小學生在英文,數學和科學的水平,試題全是選擇題,YC學生在這個assessment 一向都有優異成績, 好多学生取得distinction 或higher distinction.成績單中顯示出的top XX %,是根據在同一地域一同應考的學生的成績來比較. YC是由學校安排學生應考,所以獲得優異成績的學生的人數亦自然較多.以我所知,ESF或其他IS並沒有為学生安排應考 (如果這說法不正確,請其他家長指正 ), 應考的學生是自行報名的,因此將YC和他們比較是不公平的.

YC小學在培養學生的閱讀和思考方面頗不錯,但在spoken English方面始終較其他IS遜色.

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m.(x3) 寫道:
Lots of questions here...
6. Yew Chung has been sending their upper primary kids to a competition in the last 3 years (or more.) Last year, there were 70,000 kids of 3 age groups in Hong Kong and the mainland participated in the compitition in 3 subjects. Yew Chung kids scored substantially higher than average. The school was quite proud of this that they are still posting the result at the entrance to the basement office at Upper Primary. My 10-year old scored very high (top 0.2% in English among the 70000 kids, top 0.5% in science, top 5% in math) and was invited to an award presentation. There were about 400 kids (including kids from Beijing and other mainland cities) in the award presentation, and I believe the only school that has more kids than Yew Chung made it to the top-400 was DGS. I saw a few names from KG5 and other ESF schools. Yew Chung has about 10 kids in the top-400.

m.(x3)

I know this is borderline on technical arguement, but if you look at the organizer's web site, they repeatedly refer to the accessment as "competitions". I used the term "competition" with reason. That is to make the event sound less formal, to reflect it's true nature.

Even though I don't know about other school's policy on joining this competition, 70000 participants is a large enough number for the purpose of comparing to the "general standard".

Tasha 寫道:
這個不是competition,是一個由University of New South Wales辦的assessment.用來評核小學生在英文,數學和科學的水平,試題全是選擇題,YC學生在這個assessment 一向都有優異成績, 好多学生取得distinction 或higher distinction.成績單中顯示出的top XX %,是根據在同一地域一同應考的學生的成績來比較. YC是由學校安排學生應考,所以獲得優異成績的學生的人數亦自然較多.以我所知,ESF或其他IS並沒有為学生安排應考 (如果這說法不正確,請其他家長指正 ), 應考的學生是自行報名的,因此將YC和他們比較是不公平的.

YC小學在培養學生的閱讀和思考方面頗不錯,但在spoken English方面始終較其他IS遜色.

nintendo

m.(x3) 寫道:
6. Yew Chung has been sending their upper primary kids to a competition in the last 3 years (or more.) Last year, there were 70,000 kids of 3 age groups in Hong Kong and the mainland participated in the compitition in 3 subjects. Yew Chung kids scored substantially higher than average. The school was quite proud of this that they are still posting the result at the entrance to the basement office at Upper Primary. My 10-year old scored very high (top 0.2% in English among the 70000 kids, top 0.5% in science, top 5% in math) and was invited to an award presentation. There were about 400 kids (including kids from Beijing and other mainland cities) in the award presentation, and I believe the only school that has more kids than Yew Chung made it to the top-400 was DGS. I saw a few names from KG5 and other ESF schools. Yew Chung has about 10 kids in the top-400. Yew Chung did not prepare the kids for the competition before hand. Last year they told the parents about the competition and told the parents not to do anything special. This year, they did not even bother to tell the parents about the competition. I learned from my kid that she took the tests few days ago. So this is a true test of what the kids know, not how well they prepared.

你係邊個 web-site 得到資料，可唔可以比個 link 睇睇

8. There is a competition among international schools in Hong Kong called Battle of the Books (BOB.) Last year was Yew Chung's first year joining the competition, and they did really well. They lost in the first round to the school that has been the grand champion for the last 5 years. Yew Chung lost by 2 points 82 to 84, and each complete answer was worth 3 points. That means the margin was less than 1 question. I imagine if the order of the questions change a bit, Yew Chung may have won. But for me, the highlight of this competition was not the narrow defeat to the former grand champion. During the competition, two questions were disqualified after being challenged. One challenge was raised by the teacher from another school, and the other challenge was raised by a Yew Chung kid. I was very happy that the kid was very confident and not afraid to challenge the authority.

你都幾清楚 detail，連幾多分都知？
乜家長有得去睇咩？點解我朋友冇份去睇 ？

m.(x3)

nintendo 寫道:
你係邊個 web-site 得到資料，可唔可以比個 link 睇睇

For information about the competition, see the ICAS section in http://www.eaa.unsw.edu.au/

Information about YC kids overall performance from the certificates hanging near the entrance to the school office at the Upper Primary.

Informaiton about the number of students in the competition, their school, etc... from the booklet handed out in the award ceremony.

你都幾清楚 detail，連幾多分都知？
乜家長有得去睇咩？點解我朋友冇份去睇 ？

I was there, with about 20 other parents.

Each kid interested in the competition would need to read the 20 designated books in the few months leading to the competition. Every one or two weeks the teacher in charge would check with the kids for their progress, then she picked 12 kids to form the two teams required.

Unless your friend's kid was in the team, otherwise he/she may not know about or have interest in watching the event.

belledog

A school of disappointing!

DMum

Dear all,

Please don't compare the english standard between ESF and Yew Chung.  I am not the yc staff or yc parents and I only discuss with you about the difference between the two schools.  Kids in ESF only studied English and they don't know the Chinese.  My friend told me his kids are in grade 6 and in grade 5 respectively, they only know how to write their name in chinese,they treat the chinese words like pictures and draw it on the handwriting book.  In ESF curriculum, they  are compuslory to take english lit. and english but they don't sit for the chinese language in IGCSE,  Please see their websit.  However, YC insists their students to sit english and chinese papers in IGCSE as first language.  If you have only limited resources (timing) . you invest all your time in English or you want your kid to learn english and chinese.  If you want your son learn a kind of language, expecting him to speak extremely fluent english .  I think you must select ESF.  However, if you want your kids to speak fluent english in order to communicate with others, express himself and learn chinese language, you can select YC.

When my son sat for the placement test in YC  this month, I am very surprised because the duration time for the placement test last for 3 hours.  The test was inclusive of english, chinese and mathematics. My son told me he wrote at lest two chinese essays which essays must be more than 300 words.   I think their chinese standard is the highest in the international schools.  According to the IGCSE, they only wirite 350-400 words for essay in chinese language as the first language in grade 11.  My son also told me he also write the english essay without words limitation.The mathematics paper is so difficult because it has a lot of reasoning questions.

Does any parent to share view on the placement test with me?

RKY

Jne_Jne 寫道:
I want to seek for your comment on 耀中國際學校 which is in Kowloon Tong if you konw. Thanks a lot.

只有一個comment"貴得冇道理".

DMum

YC is in Kowloon Tong and one of the paper for Chinese  as first language in IGCSE is to write an essay from 450-600 words.ESF was subsided by HKSAR, monthly fee is around HK$9000 for secondary school and the monthly subsided amount by HKSAR is about HK$2500.  When you add two figures, the montly school fee for ESF is about HK$11,500.  It is same amount with YC and other international school.  Of course, they don't need students to but debentures.  Do you know HKSAR will subside HK$300 million to ESF each year?