P5的英文及數學科

twokidsmum

小女不算叻，她做事慢，甚至曾被認定資質麻麻。我兩母女都很努力，因為我相信一分耕耘一分收獲。

現在，小女說不會做驕傲的白兔，但同時怎也不願做勤力的烏龜，因為烏龜很“肉酸”。 她自認是一隻勤力的白兔，會教導勤力的烏龜（弟弟）！！救命！

stccmc 寫道:
twokidsmum,

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未知效果有多大, 只怕嚇醒睡眼惶忪的上班人士!   
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很好啊, 好多父母就是怕別人的眼光, 不敢說。  你的孩子一定好叻。

這題目真的很有參考價值。

eviepa

Tommy 寫道:
何止「中、英、數、常、課外活動，加起來戰線過長，很難項項皆精。」

還有新近流行的自信、自尊、自控、自理、堅毅、專注、尊重、忍耐、互信、互助、互動、互愛、同情心、同理心、同感心、人格培養、性格塑造、承傳中華文化、放眼世界大同………等等……

我們的孩子何其苦呢！:-| :cry:  :cry:  

Tommy,

我又沒有你那麼悲觀。只要家長意識到人不能完美，欣賞小孩長處，接受其短處，不要加諸過大的壓力給子女，為何他們會苦呢？


Eviepa

hellolanlan

"如何拿得準繩很考功夫啊。"

我都覺得很頭痛, 的確不想樣樣管著他, 但孩子似乎很懂得利用我的讓步.

Tommy

我諗我真係辭不達意了，又唔識用表情符號啊！其實「我們的孩子何其苦呢！」中的「苦」是自我挖苦、有少少講反話，甚至有少少沾沾自喜呢！本來想找個苦笑的表情符號，但搵搵下竟然變了個是哭的符號…………..唉！

我不但不悲觀，我其實是非常樂觀，在金融風暴之後成長的這一代，若果家長不太疏於管教，肯扶之於正道，二十年後，這一代孩子會非常出息，和現在廿歲左右的一代，肯定不一樣。

我大仔剛剛九歲，前九年，我著重培養他的內功，即是什麼「自信、自尊、自控、自理、堅毅、專注、尊重、忍耐、互信、互助、互動、互愛、同情心、同理心、同感心、人格培養、性格塑造、承傳中華文化、放眼世界大同………等等……」有時都會反問自己會不會是另類的催谷呢？但看見他們健康快樂的成長，我並不察覺他們有很大的壓力，反而壓力盡在父母身上。

最近，見你們的孩子一年看千幾部書，坦白講，真係有點壓力，也提醒了我大仔已經九歲了，是時候開始外功的訓練了。我們的閱讀計劃已經開始了，這幾天我和太太不停在書局和圖書館內游走，有一些收穫，進展非常好，好amazing，已經初見成效，eviepa的方法果然厲害。

Tommy

twokidsmum

加上不斷的心理戰, 我都覺得要取得平衡很巧功夫呀! 我自己會不斷adjust囉!

stccmc 寫道:
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我又沒有你那麼悲觀。只要家長意識到人不能完美，欣賞小孩長處，接受其短處，不要加諸過大的壓力給子女，為何他們會苦呢？
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壓力太大, 害處多。  用放任政策, 又怕小朋友行錯路, 返唔到轉頭, 如何拿得準繩很考功夫啊。

WYmom

hellolanlan 寫道:
"如何拿得準繩很考功夫啊。"

我都覺得很頭痛, 的確不想樣樣管著他, 但孩子似乎很懂得利用我的讓步.

Same for me, my 9-year-old daughter now always bargain with me on how much work for her is right, just like us buying things in the market!! HaHa!  :

chupapa

Hi all,

I just passed by this topic and I found it interesting and useful to my children.

I would like to buy VCD for my 8 and 10 years old boy to lean English. What will be your suggestions???

Chupapa

eviepa

chupapa 寫道:
Hi all,

I just passed by this topic and I found it interesting and useful to my children.

I would like to buy VCD for my 8 and 10 years old boy to lean English. What will be your suggestions???

Chupapa

Instead of buying some educational VCDs, I suggest to  buy something they like to watch, like Walt Disney's cartoon.  Of course to be interesting, it must be easy enough for them to understand.  The key for learning is to learn happily.  When your children do not find the learning tools boring, they can learn real fast.

Now, there is a cartoon programme in ATV World,  on Sat and Sun at 5:35-6:05pm, interesting story, easy English, with English subtitle.  I record this programme for my kid.  She can enjoy watching the programme, listening to the dialogue and reading the subtitle at the same time.  

Eviepa

eviepa

Tommy 兄，

真沒有想過為別人增添壓力，我講出女兒的學習過程其實只想拋磚引玉，一方面希望學習別人的獨門絕學，另外亦盡本份提出一種冷門教仔方法，讓BK家長們可以多一種選擇。

在網上認識你很久了(我識你你唔識我)，對你處事、教仔一向欣賞，有信心你能夠培育出色的下一代。非常高興可以在這裡和你不斷交流，切磋。

Eviepa

Primary_Doggie

Eviepa,
Did you read together with your girls all the 1000+ books?  I am not challenging you.  I am only wondering how to stimulate kids read more by herself.
My girl only reads by herself once awhile.  Bed time stories become a routine for me and my daughter, and she enjoyed it a lot.  However, I feel that she avoids reading by herself because she wants to hang on with this routine.  For me, I have no intention to skip this fun time, only that my girl is also the kind of reader who needs to read out / understand every single characters on the books instead of guessing it for the meaning.  Isn't it a natural transition for a 7 year old?

eviepa

Hi Primary_Doggie

It is perfectly normal your kid likes playing than reading.  But when her reading ability grows, she will be more interested in reading.

In reading Chinese books, my daughter read with me when her reading ability is low.  After she had a reasonable standard, I let her read alone, in any time she liked.  It is also the case in English book reading.  However even after nearly 2 years’ time, I have to read with her every evening.

I think the best way to stimulate kids to read is to build up their curiosities.  If we encourage them to ask questions, bring them to the countryside, Science Museum etc, they would like to explore the world.  So, you want to know more about the environment, you have to read to acquire this.

You are right, don’t skip your fun time.  I firmly believe that children should spend most of their time playing.  Through playing, they can learn a lot.  Through playing with parents, parent-children relationship can be built which is invaluable.  Even when choosing academic activities, better choose those can generate more fun the boring ones.

Eviepa

Tommy

想問eviepa, 或其他家長，小朋友閱讀時遇到有唔識的生字，應如何處理？由他們看圖理解？想象？抑或查字典？如果查字典應查英譯中，還是英譯英？

好慚愧，我家並沒有小朋友用的英文字典，如果要買，有什麼好介紹？


Tommy

mattsmum

just let them go ahead without getting dictionary. they will figure out from the story.

thus choosing the right level of book is important.

one example is to ask your child to put up his figure when he reads a book and sees a word that he does not understand. if his figure is up 5 times for one page, that means the book may be too difficult for him and he should choose another one.

there are lots of information about reading level in the internet. here is one copied from web site:

"Reading Level Assessment:
One quick way is to look at the reading level designation of their favorite books. Usually placed near the list price on the back cover of children's books you'll see something like this: RL 3.2. This would indicate that the book was written with the reading vocabulary of a typical child in the second month of the third grade. I'd average the "RL's" of their favorite books, as homeschooled kids tend to read all over the map. This system, however, tends to stop at about the end of the 6th grade level."

similar for chinese, one example here copied from web site:

"敘利亞因為每夜起來，漸漸睡眠不足，朝起覺著疲勞，晚間複習要打瞌睡。有一夜，敘利亞伏在案上睡熟了。"

what is  打瞌睡?

推斷： 這一個詞之前的句子說明了「打瞌睡」的原因：「每夜起來」、「睡眠不足」、「覺著疲勞」。
這一個詞之後描寫了「敘利亞伏在案上睡熟」的情況。
因此，打瞌睡大概是因為太累而睡著了的意思。

當我們做閱讀理解時，會遇到一些不憧的字詞，便會做成閱讀時的障礙。 當我們懂得如何推斷詞意，便可以減少閱讀時的障礙。

二. 推斷詞意的秘訣
推斷詞意秘訣第一﹕
從字旁猜出字詞的大概意思。

推斷詞意秘訣第二﹕

Tommy

mattsmum,

Great ideas and very good messages.  I got it.  However, I can't find the RL ratings in my books.  Anyway, it doesn't matter.  The critical point is if the books match my boy's ability.  The ratings do not matter.  Is that right?

Tommy

mattsmum

rating is just an indication, most books do not have rating, but magic tree house, captain fact, andrew lost got this rating.

it really does not matter as far as he enjoys reading it. oneday he will figure out.

that is why i think buying books is a good idea  as he always goes back to read some of them which he understood 90% last year. so he read repeatly and repeatly.

eviepa

Tommy 寫道:
想問eviepa, 或其他家長，小朋友閱讀時遇到有唔識的生字，應如何處理？由他們看圖理解？想象？抑或查字典？如果查字典應查英譯中，還是英譯英？

好慚愧，我家並沒有小朋友用的英文字典，如果要買，有什麼好介紹？


Tommy

Tommy,

一般來說小朋友看英文書並不是一件很愉快的事，起碼比起閱讀中文書來說，所得到的樂趣會大打折扣。所以一定要顧及他們的感受，否則極難持續實行。我的經驗是：

1. 正如mattsmum所說 “thus choosing the right level of book is important” 亦即我常強調的：任何時間，小朋友都能在沒有字典幫助下看懂的書，才可以稱得上是適合的書。因為一方面，看得懂的書才有樂趣；另一方面，書越淺，越易因上文下理而猜中當中生字的意思。相當多家長喜歡子女閱讀艱深的書籍，希望以最短的時間，學到最多的生字，但只會適得其反。

2. 查字典 - 小女半小時可看完四本薄薄的故事書，若查字典的話，恐怕一本也不能完成；況且看書有如看球賽，90分鐘賽事50次暫停，斷斷續續，不能一氣呵成，那還有甚麼樂趣之可以言。連這少少樂趣都沒有，怎能苛求子女每天閱讀？

3. 我不是說生字不重要，反之，生字是我培育女兒其中關鍵的一環。 Eviepa 家訓： “生果日日食，生字日日記，中、英文書日日睇。”  我每晚將女兒看過的書，有空時用memo紙，將生字抽出，做matching game給她玩。繁忙時則只用有小許黏性、幼而長的label紙貼在生字旁教導她。現在她所懂得的生字，遠較同齡小孩為多。另外，請記著，不須要求子女串字，因為串字是一個不愉快的過程。只要書看得多，字認得多，再加上懂得拼音，小孩會在不知不覺間懂得串字，請放心。

所以字典嗎，遲幾年買也可以。

eviepa

mattsmum

"只要書看得多，字認得多，...小孩會在不知不覺間懂得串字，" agree, that is what happened to my kid.

let them go "parallel' with both chinese and english, so that we can get books with the content right for their age. once they past the right time, they don't want certain type of books as they think those are too childish.

that is why I got lots of easier books for my son when he was still of that "baby mentality" and gradually go up the level as he is older.

eviepa

mattsmum 說得好，

let them go "parallel' with both chinese and english, so that we can get books with the content right for their age. once they past the right time, they don't want certain type of books as they think those are too childish.

that is why I got lots of easier books for my son when he was still of that "baby mentality" and gradually go up the level as he is older.

在先前先前的討論中，我極力主張家長應集中力量在初小時訓練小孩的英語閱讀和listening能力，其他的aspects可以留給學校去做，其中一個重要的原因是兒童的智力發展問題。

在此發言的家長一面倒地認為應四條腿走路，聽、講、閱、寫應同步進行，所以 “why wait until finish reading 1000+ books” 才去學文法的聲音不絕於耳。

但要知道，閱讀是和時間競賽，小女就讀小四，能閱香港中一程度書籍，看似far ahead of the schedule。但其實，內容適合她的書中，有很多都是她看不明的，而很多她看得懂的書內容幼稚，讀之索然無味。因此，革命尚未成功，女兒仍須努力。

小女尚且如是，若小四的小朋友只能看懂小四、五的書籍，在圖書館中有甚麼書適合他們看？

我甚至估計，一個普通band 2的學生，大約要到中二、三才能看懂中一程度書籍，對他們來說，差不多所有英文書都不是太艱深就是太白痴，閱讀必然是苦差，要英文進步，難上加難。

Eviepa

KWT

咁好的討論不想它們變潛水艇,多口答句嘴.

eviepa 寫道:
mattsmum 說得好，

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let them go "parallel' with both chinese and english, so that we can get books with the content right for their age. once they past the right time, they don't want certain type of books as they think those are too childish.

但要知道，閱讀是和時間競賽，小女就讀小四，能閱香港中一程度書籍，看似far ahead of the schedule。但其實，內容適合她的書中，有很多都是她看不明的，而很多她看得懂的書內容幼稚，讀之索然無味。因此，革命尚未成功，女兒仍須努力。


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我大仔情況都是這樣.當他擁有一定語文能力時候,很多時會嫌棄故事書內容幼稚(中英文書),不想看.現在連Magic Tree House 系列的書都不大有興趣,覺得故事橋段大同小異,沒有吸引力.所以覺得有很多小童書籍,真要在適當時候閱讀,錯過咗,再看味道已經不同,可能為學語言而閱讀,這樣變得太辛苦了.

覺得同輩的影響力非常大.當人人都講Harry Potter的時候,大仔要求我借書給他看.當時我很懷疑他是否看得懂,結果一口氣追看完第一,二,三本.到第四本書出時,問他看不看,他無可無不可答道,同學都沒有看,結果他都有看.到第五本出書時,他竟說同學都是看中文書,他自己都唔想看英文書,最終因為有看開這系列的書,勉強看完第五集,好似完成作業交功課.

其實環境很重要,如何營造呢?我對細仔都無辦法,不喜歡看英文書.