教統局：中中會考成績升

大媽

呢個提議好就好兼一流...但一定比人話唔公平.... 計我話首先小學英語老師做起，佢地確實大部份人都唔掂，唔打好基礎點升中呀，唔通要個個小學生比錢去讀聖三一課程咩？咁使乜去佢到讀呀？.....講起中X基X教辦既小學師資就把鬼火啦......

youma 寫道:
我的建議比較極端: 英文差的學生送入英中, 先單單讀好英文; 英文好的學生派入雙語中學, 接受全科教育.

Vernique2005

Matt'smum:
Hey! I also like the idea of home education.  Is it illegal to do so in HK right now?

Vernique2005

stccmc 寫道:
  UBC 生勁寸, 叫價驚人, 鬼佬們卻情有獨中。

哈哈哈﹗你的例子好好笑﹗你說他很寸﹐是他給你一個很自以為是的感覺嗎﹖會不會又是文化差異的問題﹖(想讓孩子出國的媽媽要小心了﹐看﹗ 我們這邊原來有這麼多的miscommunication!   )

如果是自以為是﹐那就是不對 (or I would say that the guy was too "green" for an interview!) Well...但我們這邊教的是﹕ 找第一份工時﹐不能用先找到一份再找過份好的﹗ 不適合就不要做﹐因為將來要轉工是好看你以前做過什麼的。 情形同你在哪一所大學畢業一樣。
在北美﹐去到interview後個candidate跟公司說﹕"其實這份工不太適合我。。。"是常有的事。沒關係的﹐如果公司真的喜歡你﹐就會送你去別個department再interview過。
如果是大公司﹐有個department 做recruitment的﹐通常都會問個candidate自己認為最好的是什麼才開始問問題。

至於"叫價驚人"的問題﹐﹗哈哈哈哈哈哈﹗(超級大笑) 也有不少公司這樣說我啊﹗(我也很無奈 ) 這會不會是香港的人工跟北美差的問題﹖

我們這邊也有教"叫價"的問題﹐main points 有﹕
1) wages 是用supply and demand 來作定價﹐從來都沒有overprize 的問題。
2) 如你收得人$6000USD﹐公司一定是因為你也會為它帶來最少差不多的收入才會請你。所以你收得人錢﹐就要有心理準備要hold 多少responsibility.
3) 人工越高﹐責任越大 (公司不是游樂場﹗)
4) 如果想自己叫價高﹐一定要有些background是公司沒你不行。有些consultants, 隨便出個trip都要一二百萬USD,但無辦法﹐全世界可能只有3/4個人懂﹐所以他們就算再開高D價﹐waiting list 都係長到有排都做不完。。。(如果我有這樣的江湖地位就好了﹗----只是daydreaming, 因為我根本不是做consultant的﹗哈哈哈﹗)

不過你說得對﹐最後找我的companies,全都是灣仔區的語言學校﹐外國公司或律師行﹐會見我的也是英國人。。。。

BTW﹐其實你英文應該不錯啊﹐可能不用太早送女兒到外國。通常去外國的孩子要讀一些英文適應班(由1年到3年不等)﹐如果孩子在香港打好個底﹐就可以不上這些班了﹐那小孩可以對多父母幾年﹐又不用花太多時間去適應外國的生活。你小朋友祇得4歲﹐仲有好多機會啊﹗ 我有種感覺﹐覺得現在在香港4-7歲的孩子將來可能會好厲害。畢竟﹐家長們現在已經不太相信學校﹐很多時自己教番﹐我就認識不少因為父母自己教番而qualification不錯的小朋友。加油﹗

cow

數據從來都是被人利用的，「先中後英」 中文中學 ，一直被教統局評為「大輸家」，但有部份此類學校在今年高考和會考都能成功扭轉劣勢，創出佳績。
再看看培正10A生，原來也是用英文作答的。

假設數據1: 吸煙者在60歲前死於癌症的機會比非吸煙者大。
假設數據2: 60歲後患柏金遜症機會機會比60歲前大。
教統局結論: 統計顯示吸煙可以有效地減低患柏金遜症的機會。

WYmom

Yes, according to the 培正10A生, they use English text books, teachers use Chinese to teach, so this is in fact the old way of teaching in those so called EMI schools!  So 培正 is not a real CMI school, it is just a semi-EMI school.

ChiChiPaPa

明年(2006)中中會考成績將會再升，而英中將會下跌。


記得好像是2001年派位組別(Banding)由5個縮為3個。第一批3個Band的學生應該會在明年會考。

由於組別少了，英中的學生平均質素應會被拉低，而中中應會上升。到時，教統又會說數據證明母語教學十分成功。

uncleedward

“uncleedward:

I totally agree with you that parents need to help their children out and not to rely on the children's schools (or even their tutors alone). However, I find it unfortunate that not every parent has the time/knowledge/money to help his/her children....When that's the case, the children's school is their only hope. I guess you teach your daughter very well. It's nice to see you offering advices to parents. I know that I'm not the best teacher in the world, yet I really feel that many parents in HK dont' know the good methods to teach their children even when they are willing to help out. If you have any teaching method that works, please do share it with us. I look forward to reading more of your comments!  ”

Dear Vernique

I feel flattered by your nice remarks. Actually, I have been following your posts in this website with interest. And certainly I have learned a lot about how to learn/teach English from you.

You said, ‘…not every parent has the time/knowledge/money to help his/her children....” That is certainly true. These are the sad things we all have to bear with in life after all. However, these are probably not the cases with most BK parents here.  

Actually I adopt a laissez-faire approach as a parent towards my daughters' school studies. My job is more to provide an environment conducive to learning. Particularly at Primary School level, as long as they knew what they were doing, I was not too concerned about the marks they got. My elder daughter told me that once at P2, one of her classmates asked if my daughter would be scolded by me or my wife for the low marks my daughter got in the dictations. My daughter’s response was “Why do they have to do so? What makes them do that?” This reflected the attitude we have towards their studies at school. My daughters even complained that I have been more concerned with other children's studies than theirs after I became a private tutor accidentally.

The only thing I was insistent was to cultivate their reading habit. I agreed with your remarks in another post that to ensure the children have a good result at HKCE, the best thing to do is to ensure the children s English is beyond the HKCE level. I don’t believe in something called “失手”. One may need luck to have 10 A's but one does not need luck to have good results in HKCE exams.

Vernique, it is me, together with other parents, who looks forward to seeing more of your posts in this forum.

Vernique2005

Stccmc:

仲要高過我quote 個數好多﹖有無搞錯﹖Microsoft 總部請個普通engineer都是$8000-9000USD一個月﹐如果太高﹐我就會覺得有點"何德何能"的感覺。。。不過﹐如果請左人番黎人地真的做到野就無所謂啦。    真係有點想叫我係殖谷做野個friend在香港找找工試下有什麼好笑野發生﹗

但長遠來說﹐這會不會不太healthy to HK 的IT market? 成本太高就不夠competitive 的了﹐ 難怪Google在中國開R&D, 不選香港而選北京了。。

uncleedward:
"don’t believe in something called “失手”. One may need luck to have 10 A's but one does not need luck to have good results in HKCE exams."
Me neither! Another thing that I strongly disagree with is those "補習天皇"......I never trust 貼士。  If you prepare the materials well enough, there should be nothing that you haven't seen before.  I've never written any exam that strikes me as "unexpected."  If you understand the materials, you'll know how to answer the questions easily.

Your laissez-faire approach is a good one.  It teaches your daughters to be responsible for themselves.  After all, they shouldn't be learning for you or your wife.  From her remark, we know that she's leading herself toward an independent life.  In this case, of course you don't need to worry about her as much.

Hm.... but if your daughters are getting jealous, you may want to bring them out and have fun sometimes!  

Yukyuk

Vernique,

公司上年搞computer system, 用了HKD20M, 其中該間(MISYS) computer system 公司請了一d不同國藉(e.g. 英國人,英藉華人,美國人,印度人, (有一位香港人(女士, mummy級, 她從英國回來的-人品好好)之專才(Title 是 IT CONSULTANT),當時公司要offer每天usd1k之人工給他們, 食住(hotel accomodation),交通(air fair -business class)都包哂.

uncleedward

Dear Vernique

Thanks for your concerns but family time is something which is in plenty of stock in our humble house. We have more than once received phone calls from the parents of my daughters' saying that the close parents-daughters relationship in our family has become the envy of their daughters.

I learned this from my parents. Although they were not well-educated (both finished primary school only with evening courses) and we were less than well-off (a family of 6 people squeezed in a matchbox unit of 120 sq ft in the old resettlement estates). However, besides striving to make both ends meet, they lavished without reservation the most precious things they can afford on us, ie time.

This is a deliberate choice that all parents have to make.

mattsmum

quoted from uncleedward:
"My elder daughter told me that once at P2, one of her classmates asked if my daughter would be scolded by me or my wife for the low marks my daughter got in the dictations. My daughter’s response was “Why do they have to do so? What makes them do that?” This reflected the attitude we have towards their studies at school."

I wish I could learn this attitute from you too.

it is not possible to get scared once I learn what happen in the secondary allocation system.

Vernique2005

Yukyuk 寫道:
公司上年搞computer system, 用了HKD20M, 其中該間(MISYS) computer system 公司請了一d不同國藉(e.g. 英國人,英藉華人,美國人,印度人, (有一位香港人(女士, mummy級, 她從英國回來的-人品好好)之專才(Title 是 IT CONSULTANT),當時公司要offer每天usd1k之人工給他們, 食住(hotel accomodation),交通(air fair -business class)都包哂.

        真可惜我現在轉行已經太遲﹐如果吾係我部琴就不用流亡海外回不了家。。。。     

算啦﹐我都自知不是讀IT的材料﹐無謂搞到自己連業都畢吾成啦﹗哈哈哈﹗ (逃避現實﹐輕輕帶過就算﹗   )

不過話時話﹐ $1000 X 30 days per months X 12 months per year 都是$36萬美金一年 jar 窩﹗同殖谷好top 果班拿開百多萬的consultants, (不是engineers) 都仲有一段距離。 (說得如此情描淡寫﹐是因為反正都不是我的$﹗ )

反正最重要的是﹐一家人開開心心咪得lor!  我在加拿大認識了一位很窮的大陸學者﹐他說﹕就算飯碗打破了也沒關係﹐只要人心沒碎﹐家沒散﹐就有希望了﹗ (有骨氣的人說話真的比較有說服力﹐ 我很尊重他   )

Yukyuk

妳部petrof三角琴咪好慘! (冇知音同佢做運動)

Vernique2005

Yukyuk:

哈哈哈﹗我地又off-topic 了﹗    
真係好吾捨得﹐我現在一手拿著小型fan, 一手拿著mini 吸塵機凌空同拒做清潔﹐ 真擔心我走左無人理。。。。
我個friend仲影左好多拒D相給我頂住數先(你PM我個陣無給我e-mail address啊﹐send 吾到給你)。

人生真係痛苦﹐ 想不通人家"作別康橋"(好像是這樣)的人為什麼可以這麼灑脫。。。。

現在﹐ 我也是"輕輕的"走了﹐不同的是﹐我心頭最重要的拿不走。。。。。。。。。。。

TWMa

mattsmum:
現在的升中派位方式唯一有問題的地方, 只是仍只側重學業成績, 而不論學生的其他才能 (自行收生可略補不足), 但是否有更佳的方式? 若不想陷入學業成績追逐, 答案或許是一條龍. 但無論如何, 談不上 "get scared once I learn what happen in the secondary allocation system"
至於孩子的學業成績, 我的看法是: 罵也無助於事的, 父母能做的就是從旁輔助, 加上少看電視、多閱讀, 身教效果永遠較言教佳. 唯是做人處事的原則, 需說一不二, 該罵就要罵.

mattsmum

有些小朋友可能於專長於某一部份而其他方面則似乎有所不濟。這只是他的天賦未被發現。

primary schoolling requires more"memory", secondary schoolling required more "analytical power",

development of boys are different from girls.

more...

yet a system relying purely on exam marks is used.

TWMa 寫道:
mattsmum:
現在的升中派位方式唯一有問題的地方, 只是仍只側重學業成績, 而不論學生的其他才能 (自行收生可略補不足), 但是否有更佳的方式? 若不想陷入學業成績追逐, 答案或許是一條龍. 但無論如何, 談不上 "get scared once I learn what happen in the secondary allocation system"
至於孩子的學業成績, 我的看法是: 罵也無助於事的, 父母能做的就是從旁輔助, 加上少看電視、多閱讀, 身教效果永遠較言教佳. 唯是做人處事的原則, 需說一不二, 該罵就要罵.